72 patients…. 72!
So you are ok with a non FDA approved drug which has proved ok for 72 patients but not a FDA approved vaccine…. Ok. Got it.
These treatments don't kill people and have been used for decades.
72 patients…. 72!
So you are ok with a non FDA approved drug which has proved ok for 72 patients but not a FDA approved vaccine…. Ok. Got it.
Then treat the patients with what works and stop treating them with what doesn't work. I bet it is discouraging to have to obey hospital administrators that do not follow the Golden rule of Do No Harm!
You are not very well informed of successful treatments and claim to be not political, all the while obeying the dictates of politicians. Ignoring medical science and a vast amount of successful medical antodotal treatments.
https://clinicalnews.org/2021/05/07...vermectin-use-will-end-covid-19-pandemic/amp/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/
Randomized Controlled Trial Int J Infect Dis
. 2021 Feb;103:214-216. doi: 10.1016/j.ijid.2020.11.191. Epub 2020 Dec 2.
A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness
Sabeena Ahmed 1, Mohammad Mahbubul Karim 1, Allen G Ross 1, Mohammad Sharif Hossain 1, John D Clemens 1, Mariya Kibtiya Sumiya 1, Ching Swe Phru 1, Mustafizur Rahman 1, Khalequ Zaman 1, Jyoti Somani 2, Rubina Yasmin 3, Mohammad Abul Hasnat 4, Ahmedul Kabir 5, Asma Binte Aziz 1, Wasif Ali Khan 6
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PMID: 33278625 PMCID: PMC7709596 DOI: 10.1016/j.ijid.2020.11.191
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Abstract
Ivermectin, a US Food and Drug Administration-approved anti-parasitic agent, was found to inhibit severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in vitro. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was conducted to determine the rapidity of viral clearance and safety of ivermectin among adult SARS-CoV-2 patients. The trial included 72 hospitalized patients in Dhaka, Bangladesh, who were assigned to one of three groups: oral ivermectin alone (12 mg once daily for 5 days), oral ivermectin in combination with doxycycline (12 mg ivermectin single dose and 200 mg doxycycline on day 1, followed by 100 mg every 12 h for the next 4 days), and a placebo control group. Clinical symptoms of fever, cough, and sore throat were comparable among the three groups. Virological clearance was earlier in the 5-day ivermectin treatment arm when compared to the placebo group (9.7 days vs 12.7 days; p = 0.02), but this was not the case for the ivermectin + doxycycline arm (11.5 days; p = 0.27). There were no severe adverse drug events recorded in the study. A 5-day course of ivermectin was found to be safe and effective in treating adult patients with mild COVID-19. Larger trials will be needed to confirm these preliminary findings.
Keywords: Bangladesh; COVID-19; Doxycycline; Ivermectin; SARS-CoV-2.
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The authors declare that there are no known competing financial interests or personal relationships that could have appeared to influence the work described in this paper.
mRNA tech has also been used for decades-These treatments don't kill people and have been used for decades.
So, going down the rabbit hole of the paper you posted which isn’t showing up…
I did find this on the site which is a bit more robust and a better sample size.
However doesn’t look like any benefit once patients are very sick, and at BEST it’s LOW certainty evidence.
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Secondary outcomes
Secondary outcomes provided low to very low certainty evidence (SoF Table 2). Low-certainty findings suggested that there may be no benefit with ivermectin for “need for mechanical ventilation,” whereas effect estimates for “improvement” and “deterioration” favored ivermectin but were graded as low certainty due to study design limitations and inconsistency (Figures 12–14). All other secondary outcome findings were assessed as very low certainty.
Ivermectin prophylaxis versus no ivermectin prophylaxis
Three studies involving 738 participants evaluated ivermectin for COVID-19 prophylaxis among health care workers and COVID-19 contacts. Meta-analysis of these 3 trials, assessing 738 participants, found that ivermectin prophylaxis among health care workers and COVID-19 contacts probably reduces the risk of COVID-19 infection by an average of 86% (79%–91%) (3 trials, 738 participants; aRR 0.14, 95% CI 0.09–0.21; 5.0% vs. 29.6% contracted COVID-19, respectively; low-certainty evidence; downgraded due to study design limitations and few included trials) (Figure 15). In 2 trials involving 538 participants, no severe adverse events were recorded (SoF Table 4).
The evidence on severe adverse events in this review was graded as low certainty, partly because there were too few events to reach statistical significance. Evidence from a recent systematic review of ivermectin use among people with parasitic infections suggests that ivermectin administered at the usual doses (0.2 or 0.4 mg/kg) is safe and could be safe at higher doses.7,116 A recent World Health Organization document on ivermectin use for scabies found that adverse events with ivermectin were primarily minor and transient.
https://journals.lww.com/americanth...mectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx
Success rate in our hospital after mechanical vent- 54%. 46% mortality.Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquin are both early treatments.
And what's the success rate after being put on a mechanical ventilator?
Myself and everyone I know that's been diseased by covid and has used Chlorine Dioxide Solution by ingestion, has had a 100% success rate in just 2-5 days.
Why? Because we don’t agree with you and can provide an alternate explanation?Dr Jenner sounds like a new Brent to me, only true if he says so.
Working in a Metro ER for ten years, during the height of the annual flu season (you DO remember the flu?) I never wore a mask unless the patient was in an isolation room. Ten years of simple hand washing (albeit 60-100 times a shift), I never contracted the flu or any other illness for that matter. The flu is just as contagious as the Wuhan flu (per docs I've worked with and still see as a patient to this day). So simple to protect from this as we do the flu. Cover your mouth and nose when you cough or sneeze (a handkerchief is no different than your designer Baby Yoda mask) and WASH YOUR DAMN HANDS BEFORE YOU GO TOUCHING YOUR FACE, EATING, PICKING YOUR NOSE, SMOKING, BITING YOUR NAILS, etc. Simple really. The next idiot I see walk past the sink and out of a public restroom, I'm going to play the knock out game with. More of a chance being harmed by the patient than the patients chief complaint.Let's flip that around just for discussion's sake since we are using anecdotes and personal experience...
I've been in a COVID ICU since the beginning, intubated countless people, worn a N95, faceshield or a PAPR as their biPAP mask blew on me right before I took away their drive to breathe and shoved a tube down their trachea.
I've worn a mask this entire pandemic..why - to keep others safe from ME. Also because I actually like the concept of not breathing someone else's air. I relish the 6 foot distance, I've never liked people in my space.
I haven't gotten COVID. I haven't gotten the common cold. My family has all followed the rules, worn masks, and none are sick, including my elderly 85 year old high risk dad.
Yes. It’s a coronavirus - it mutates and there are new strains.there was an announcement over here this morning that the effectiveness of the Pfizer and Astra jabs all fall off after 5 to 6 months, something I have been saying for the same length of time.
I'm here to say my wife was one of those people. Started HCQ, Zinc, and Z-Pack when her sats hit 90%. Symptom free in three days. But there is no money to be made off of those. I'm sure the fine Dr. has been pitched by many drug reps, she knows.Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquin are both early treatments.
And what's the success rate after being put on a mechanical ventilator?
Myself and everyone I know that's been diseased by covid and has used Chlorine Dioxide Solution by ingestion, has had a 100% success rate in just 2-5 days.
But, flu vaccines aren't mandatory.Yes. It’s a coronavirus - it mutates and there are new strains.
How many colds can you get in your lifetime?
This will be like flu vaccines. We will need one every year.
We did this to our patients in the beginning as well. As I’ve said before they don’t work in critical care, actually it caused more harm than good (look up prolonged qT syndrome and HCQ/azith.I'm here to say my wife was one of those people. Started HCQ, Zinc, and Z-Pack when her sats hit 90%. Symptom free in three days. But there is no money to be made off of those. I'm sure the fine Dr. has been pitched by many drug reps, she knows.
Last I checked , neither are Covid vaccines. Most employers are accepting a religious or medical exemption.But, flu vaccines aren't mandatory.
OK...We did this to our patients in the beginning as well. As I’ve said before they don’t work in critical care, actually it caused more harm than good (look up prolonged qT syndrome and HCQ/azith.
. FDA is aware of reports of serious heart rhythm problems in patients with COVID-19 treated with HCQ, often in combination with azithromycin and other QT prolonging medicines. This side effect is relatively rare, but co-prescription with other drugs such as azithromycin, which is also recommended for the treatment of COVID-19 could amplify the risk
OK...
https://www.idcmjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/IDCM_2020_0012-1.pdf
So, don't combine it with other QT prolonging medicines. Surely you are aware that HCL has been used extensively all over the world for decades and studied extensively. Risk factors are well know.
OK...
https://www.idcmjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/IDCM_2020_0012-1.pdf
So, don't combine it with other QT prolonging medicines. Surely you are aware that HCL has been used extensively all over the world for decades and studied extensively. Risk factors are well know.
Also the mechanism of prevention of cytokine storms by intracellular zinc is well know, as is the mechanism of zinc ionophores like HCL for getting the zinc across the cellular membrane.
Success rate in our hospital after mechanical vent- 54%. 46% mortality.
By the time you get to the ICU- it’s supportive measures. We were using monoclonal antibodies with some success… until we ran out. Now it’s still steroids, blood thinners and antibiotics if you have bacteremia or superimposed bacterial pneumonia.
what is the sample size of those that took your chlorine dioxide? How do you know it’s not your robust immune system, or the 98% survival rate?
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