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@DrJenner I do not for the most part trust doctors. My dad had a rare heart issue back in 2011 with a surgery in April of that year. He came to my house for Thanksgiving that that year and right after I got a call from mom while I was at work saying that Dad was sick and needed to go to the doctor. She is handicapped and couldn't drive. I picked dad up and took him. the doctor confirmed it was just the "flu". On our way there, dad said something about him hoping it was not MRSA, but at the time I had no clue what that was. . . After confermeation from his Doc that is was just Flu, I took him home and tucked in bed. I ended up leaving him knowing that my Sis was going to show up at any time. He ended up having I think 4 strokes during that period because mom and Sis just thought he slept till the next day. They eneded up taking him to the hospital. . . days later after multiple stroke the hospital didn't know what the cause was and needed to transfer him. . . I feel very guilty because he knew of MRSA and I didn't. The drive over to the doctor was one sentence to me. . . After a few days at out local hospital, he needed to get transfered to Houston's Methodist, which is the place he had the original heart operation and where he picked up the MRSA infection. It was basically down hill from there until his passing on March 12, 2012.
 
DrJenner, what percentage of your patients have the Delta variant?

We may need to start another thread about that because of some things I've learned.
Honestly I’m not sure. Would have to see if the data is available with DOH in WA. Yes let’s start a new thread - interested to see what you’ve learned.
 
@DrJenner I do not for the most part trust doctors. My dad had a rare heart issue back in 2011 with a surgery in April of that year. He came to my house for Thanksgiving that that year and right after I got a call from mom while I was at work saying that Dad was sick and needed to go to the doctor. She is handicapped and couldn't drive. I picked dad up and took him. the doctor confirmed it was just the "flu". On our way there, dad said something about him hoping it was not MRSA, but at the time I had no clue what that was. . . After confermeation from his Doc that is was just Flu, I took him home and tucked in bed. I ended up leaving him knowing that my Sis was going to show up at any time. He ended up having I think 4 strokes during that period because mom and Sis just thought he slept till the next day. They eneded up taking him to the hospital. . . days later after multiple stroke the hospital didn't know what the cause was and needed to transfer him. . . I feel very guilty because he knew of MRSA and I didn't. The drive over to the doctor was one sentence to me. . . After a few days at out local hospital, he needed to get transfered to Houston's Methodist, which is the place he had the original heart operation and where he picked up the MRSA infection. It was basically down hill from there until his passing on March 12, 2012.

I am so sorry to hear this and I completely understand. I actually got into medicine later in life because of almost dying when I had my son (from inept care and wanting to make a difference with

I can tell you a story of inept care that JUST happened to me (really my friend)…

One of my friends (I met through my daughter as she is also a volleyball mom) went to a small rural local hospital with Covid symptoms x 5 days on this last Sunday.
Her husband works at the prison here and they have had it spread like wildfire without doing anything about it (and largely covering it up)
At any rate, she’s 48. Very high risk. She used to use IV drugs. Had endocarditis from that, has a prosthetic heart valve and also hep C on immunosuppressants.
So when she gets there she only needs 2L o2. She’s calling me (of course I’m working) to ask what she should do. I told her to get the hell out of ther as they won’t be able to take care of her if she gets sick. The doctor there tells her she will die if she leaves to another hospital and they can manage her there.
She uses a CPAP machine at night. Not only does the hospital not have one, they won’t let her bring her own. We have been managing Covid patients on CPAP as a bridge before the last resort of intubation.

Monday night, her oxygen needs went up to 10L and her labs were looking worse. She was showing signs of liver failure and sepsis. They were going to discharge her home the next day. So on Monday night at 11pm, she signed out AMA and my daughter and I drove her to a bigger center I used to work at. She laid in the back of the car with 2 face masks on, a face shield, my daughter and I both wore N95s and we drove with the windows down.

I had my dad's portable O2 concentrator. Her oxygen levels were anywhere from 79 when she was sitting up and talking to 89 when she laid flat on her belly and stopped talking. We had her on the max flow it would take- about 5L

When we got to the ER, they brought her straight back. Her O2 was 72% on the 4L by face mask when she was sitting up and talking. The triage nurse freaked out. I said shes sitting here talking in full sentences, but let's switch her over to the O2 tank on the wheelchair.
They admitted her that night. She’s on high flow O2 now, 60L 95% and on the ICU watch list.
Can’t believe those idiots wanted to send her home when she was obviously getting sicker!!
Also- they should’ve never kept her in the first place when she had a window to get out safely- when they KNEW they couldn’t treat her.
She is a 48 year old mom of 2.
My guess is that they saw an unvaccinated ex drug user (sober since 2001)- and didn’t give a crap.
I have a huge problem with that.


I’ve hesitated to share it here just because so many people have jumped on me about my ICU treatment and killing people on vents. For the record, she tried zinc and hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. I don’t want to get into it about vaccination and treatment. I’m simply sharing a story to tell you that I completely understand your feelings and in a lot of sense - feel the same way sometimes. Not all are bad. You have to find the ones you trust.

(edited for clarity)
 
I am so sorry to hear this and I completely understand. I actually got into medicine later in life because of almost dying when I had my son (from inept care and wanting to make a difference with

I can tell you a story of inept care that JUST happened to me (really my friend)…

One of my friends (I met through my daughter as she is also a volleyball mom) went to a small rural local hospital with Covid symptoms x 5 days on this last Sunday.
Her husband works at the prison here and they have had it spread like wildfire without doing anything about it (and largely covering it up)
At any rate, she’s 48. Very high risk. She used to use IV drugs. Had endocarditis from that, has a prosthetic heart valve and also hep C on immunosuppressants.
So when she gets there she only needs 2L o2. She’s calling me (of course I’m working) to ask what she should do. I told her to get the hell out of ther as they won’t be able to take care of her if she gets sick. The doctor there tells her she will die if she leaves to another hospital and they can manage her there.
She uses a CPAP machine at night. Not only does the hospital not have one, they won’t let her bring her own. We have been managing Covid patients on CPAP as a bridge before the last resort of intubation.

Monday night, her oxygen needs went up to 10L and her labs were looking worse. She was showing signs of liver failure and sepsis. They were going to discharge her home the next day. So on Monday night at 11pm, she signed out AMA and my daughter and I drove her to a bigger center I used to work at. She laid in the back of the car with 2 face masks on, a face shield, my daughter and I both wore N95s and we drove with the windows down.

I had my dad's portable O2 concentrator. Her oxygen levels were anywhere from 79 when she was sitting up and talking to 89 when she laid flat on her belly and stopped talking. We had her on the max flow it would take- about 5L

When we got to the ER, they brought her straight back. Her O2 was 72% on the 4L by face mask when she was sitting up and talking. The triage nurse freaked out. I said shes sitting here talking in full sentences, but let's switch her over to the O2 tank on the wheelchair.
They admitted her that night. She’s on high flow O2 now, 60L 95% and on the ICU watch list.
Can’t believe those idiots wanted to send her home when she was obviously getting sicker!!
Also- they should’ve never kept her in the first place when she had a window to get out safely- when they KNEW they couldn’t treat her.
She is a 48 year old mom of 2.
My guess is that they saw an unvaccinated ex drug user (sober since 2001)- and didn’t give a crap.
I have a huge problem with that.


I’ve hesitated to share it here just because so many people have jumped on me about my ICU treatment and killing people on vents. For the record, she tried zinc and hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. I don’t want to get into it about vaccination and treatment. I’m simply sharing a story to tell you that I completely understand your feelings and in a lot of sense - feel the same way sometimes. Not all are bad. You have to find the ones you trust.

(edited for clarity)
I am glad that you were there for your friend. You probably saved her life, in fact I would say definitely..
 
I am so sorry to hear this and I completely understand. I actually got into medicine later in life because of almost dying when I had my son (from inept care and wanting to make a difference with

I can tell you a story of inept care that JUST happened to me (really my friend)…

One of my friends (I met through my daughter as she is also a volleyball mom) went to a small rural local hospital with Covid symptoms x 5 days on this last Sunday.
Her husband works at the prison here and they have had it spread like wildfire without doing anything about it (and largely covering it up)
At any rate, she’s 48. Very high risk. She used to use IV drugs. Had endocarditis from that, has a prosthetic heart valve and also hep C on immunosuppressants.
So when she gets there she only needs 2L o2. She’s calling me (of course I’m working) to ask what she should do. I told her to get the hell out of ther as they won’t be able to take care of her if she gets sick. The doctor there tells her she will die if she leaves to another hospital and they can manage her there.
She uses a CPAP machine at night. Not only does the hospital not have one, they won’t let her bring her own. We have been managing Covid patients on CPAP as a bridge before the last resort of intubation.

Monday night, her oxygen needs went up to 10L and her labs were looking worse. She was showing signs of liver failure and sepsis. They were going to discharge her home the next day. So on Monday night at 11pm, she signed out AMA and my daughter and I drove her to a bigger center I used to work at. She laid in the back of the car with 2 face masks on, a face shield, my daughter and I both wore N95s and we drove with the windows down.

I had my dad's portable O2 concentrator. Her oxygen levels were anywhere from 79 when she was sitting up and talking to 89 when she laid flat on her belly and stopped talking. We had her on the max flow it would take- about 5L

When we got to the ER, they brought her straight back. Her O2 was 72% on the 4L by face mask when she was sitting up and talking. The triage nurse freaked out. I said shes sitting here talking in full sentences, but let's switch her over to the O2 tank on the wheelchair.
They admitted her that night. She’s on high flow O2 now, 60L 95% and on the ICU watch list.
Can’t believe those idiots wanted to send her home when she was obviously getting sicker!!
Also- they should’ve never kept her in the first place when she had a window to get out safely- when they KNEW they couldn’t treat her.
She is a 48 year old mom of 2.
My guess is that they saw an unvaccinated ex drug user (sober since 2001)- and didn’t give a crap.
I have a huge problem with that.


I’ve hesitated to share it here just because so many people have jumped on me about my ICU treatment and killing people on vents. For the record, she tried zinc and hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. I don’t want to get into it about vaccination and treatment. I’m simply sharing a story to tell you that I completely understand your feelings and in a lot of sense - feel the same way sometimes. Not all are bad. You have to find the ones you trust.

(edited for clarity)

when did she try HCQ and Ivermectin, zinc?

I smell something..
 
when did she try HCQ and Ivermectin, zinc?

I smell something..
exactly why I wasn't going to say anything. Mostly didn't want to get into it with you.
The only thing you're smelling is your upper lip. Maybe take a shower?
 
It's B.S. and your full if it.
I don’t care what you think.
Again my post was empathetic with someone’s mistrust of docs and I was providing a recent example why I agreed with them. Has nothing to do with what you think is a good treatment for COVID.
 
I don’t care what you think.
Again my post was empathetic with someone’s mistrust of docs and I was providing a recent example why I agreed with them. Has nothing to do with what you think is a good treatment for COVID.

The CDC protocol given to doctors is what is killing people, not COVID: you can keep on following these protocals (orders) or you can be a Doctor and use medicine to cure your patients. If you only follow the protocals and say I was just following orders, then you will end up just like those good Germans in Nazi Germany that said they were just following orders.
 
He has insulted me since day one and is now insinuating I’m a liar.
No one rushed to my defense when he accused me of murder…

I did not accuse you of Murder, I asked how many patients have you killed. Killed is not deliberate. It may be do to ignorance or even negligence.
 
The CDC protocol given to doctors is what is killing people, not COVID: you can keep on following these protocals (orders) or you can be a Doctor and use medicine to cure your patients. If you only follow the protocals and say I was just following orders, then you will end up just like those good Germans in Nazi Germany that said they were just following orders.
That is your opinion and you're entitled to it. Doesn't mean its right.
 
If you only follow the protocals and say I was just following orders, then you will end up just like those good Germans in Nazi Germany that said they were just following orders.

This sentence I can fully support, in this shitty Nazi Germany said all you can not help it you have only followed orders and would have had no other choice.

@ Dr jenner

I know you have a difficult starting point when you are a doctor, but sometimes a different treatment can also bring the chance that someone survives.
Of course, the cursed experts will say at the end that it was just a coincidence, but try something else could also have a chance, even if the pharmaceutical industry only wants to use their drugs in which you earn, although there is cheaper that can also help but of course you must not discuss it.

I think most politicians today act again the same as in the former Nazi Germany, one coerces the people, one threatens the people, blackmails it with these shit certificates and creates a two-class society, next plan probably concentration camps for all those who have your doubts.

In Nazi Germany one had the following choice, either 100% behind the leader to stand, or re-education camp or head off, to discuss there was nothing.
Where do we stand today? We are again equally far, the government blocks any discussion already in the beginning and there is ONLY the opinion of the government, who asks too many questions gets visited by the police.
That call themselves yes new world order, I see every day as the concentration camps approach....
 
This is all extremely serious. Our medical Doctors must start practicing medicine and stop following administrators protocals.

All a Doctor needs is informed consent. Use every safe form of medicine available and keep using those that work, as long as you have the informed consent of the patient. Ignore protocals that treat everyone the same. Ignore whats approved or not approved, so companies can make money. As long as the medics is safe and not toxic at the dosages given.

No one recommending using these safe, inexspensive medicine has anything to gain financially. However those opposing these medicines and treatments has a huge financial and political gain by preventing these ( non approved) medicines and treatments.
 
Go research Bill Gates and Geo. Soros past discussions on population control. I can't wait to see them all standing accused in Nuremburg.
So you want to charge people with crimes against humanity because they discuss something you disagree with, your as bad as religious zealots and socialists.
 
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