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randolphrowzee

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I believe that the main response to the herd immunity theory is that if the virus was fairly harmless, then that theory would be somewhat valid. Unfortunately, herd immunity would carry a pretty high body count, since the virus had the capability of killing lots of people. Herd immunity in this case also creates millions of carriers who can infect other people, who are more likely to die, since the unvaccinated carry a much higher viral load than the vaccinated.
As far as the vaccine creating variants, it would seem that the vaccine is more effective against the original variants, when millions of people decide not to be vaccinated, they become prime sources for mutations.
Consider the logic of the argument. If the vaccine caused the variants, then the places with the highest vaccination rates would also have the highest number of people infected with the variant, which is not the case. So far, the data shows that the vaccination rate is inversely proportional to the number of all variant infections, including the D variant. According to most of the people involved, people who have been vaccinated carry a much smaller viral load, to the extent that roughly 99% of COVID hospitalizations are people who haven't been vaccinated.
My county, and my state, have some of the lowest vaccination rates in the country, as well as very few people wearing masks or any other form of prophylactic measure. Two weeks ago, the decision was made in my county that all schools would be open and there would be no virus prevention measures. Within a week, there were almost 1000 new cases, with half being students, and the three closest hospitals asked the National Guard to set up triage tents since they were overloaded with COVID patients. The politicians responded by -you guessed it -- shutting down the schools.
If you study how respiratory viruses are transmitted, you'll see that schools are perfect pandemic sources. One kid can infect the whole school, and then the kids go home and infect everyone else. Do you think it's a coincidence that the states with the lowest vaccination rates, and the highest infection rates, have major outbreaks when the schools open up?
Should be interesting when the weather gets cold and people start spending more time indoors, especially people who live with those little virus factories.
 

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Consider the logic of the argument. If the vaccine caused the variants, then the places with the highest vaccination rates would also have the highest number of people infected with the variant, which is not the case.
Highest vaccination rate: Israel
Israel is getting pummeled by Delta. Before Delta, the infection rate in Israel was near zero. Then they went from under 300 active COVID infections to over 90,000 active infections, all Delta.
 

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How can we trust ANY numbers? The "news" keeps reporting "380 million doses given", but if you look closely, the TRUTH is that only HALF of Americans are fully vaccinated. HALF! So, HALF the country doesn't want it. If it is so great, why does the left continue to FORCE it, and act like the unvaccinated are a handful of ignorant rebels?

Australia is doing the same. Pretty sure I saw an article that said they were about 70% vaccinated, but today I read a story that says they are only 42% vaccinated. If 58% don't want it, WHY are they allowing themselves to be locked p like animals? People need to fight back, like this,

Australian man brutally beats a policewoman as she tries to move him on while enforcing Sydney's draconian lockdown that only allows people to leave home with a 'reasonable excuse'
Australian man beats a policewoman who told him to move on while enforcing Sydney's lockdown | Daily Mail Online
 

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Dr Robert Malone - Inventor of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug.

“A new study from University of California found that teenage boys are more at risk from vaccines than covid; 6 times more likely to suffer from heart problems from the vaccine than be hospitalized from Covid”


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“Do you wish to be told what to do, or do you wish to rely on your own wits. Because that is where we are at. Defend liberty or submit. I cannot do this for you. You must make a choice and act on that choice. Or become like the Aussies and loose your freedom to choose.
 

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Dr Robert Malone - Inventor of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug.

“A new study from University of California found that teenage boys are more at risk from vaccines than covid; 6 times more likely to suffer from heart problems from the vaccine than be hospitalized from Covid”


Robert W Malone, MD
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“Do you wish to be told what to do, or do you wish to rely on your own wits. Because that is where we are at. Defend liberty or submit. I cannot do this for you. You must make a choice and act on that choice. Or become like the Aussies and loose your freedom to choose.
People, especially parents NEED TO WAKE UP!! This vaccine is only harming us in the long run.
VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System put in place in 1990. It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% (see the Lazarus Report) of vaccine injuries. OpenVAERS is built from the HHS data available for download at vaers.hhs.gov.
The OpenVAERS Project allows browsing and searching of the reports without the need to compose an advanced search (more advanced searches can be done at medalerts.org or vaers.hhs.gov).

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I really wish I could copy these mortality graphs that breaks it down per vaxx, sex, age and how many days out . . .
 

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People, especially parents NEED TO WAKE UP!! This vaccine is only harming us in the long run.
These vaccines kill in the longer term.

The Germans have made in a retirement home 90 elderly people the 3 vaccination, 1 death, 2 others had severe side effects and had to be medically treated, 7 others also had quakewrkungen.
That is 10% of the 90 had very big problems, that will still give big problems with the 3 shot.

Here the authorities see it like this, a few old people less = the pension and the state saves a lot of money.
 

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Here you say that there is probably every 6 months a new shot, this shit certificate is only 6 to 12 months valid, if you are not good and the next shot make you are again as unvaccinated and come nirgens ehr inside.

Sorry I still have a common sense, I say with every 6 months a new vaccination is in the long run shit for the body. every vaccination has some side effects, but one tetanus vaccination every 10 years is something different than every 6 months ne Covid vaccination.
A tetanus vaccination protects me at least very well from an infection while I can get Corona even after the Covid vaccination, for that reason I don't do that to myself.
 

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Mom lives in her own apartment in assisted living. They had a number of covid cases reported yesterday, so all activities are off at the moment. The cases were staff and residents, and all had the vaxx (Moderna). They are 100 percent vaxxed there.
 

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Ok, how long of a term? Days, weeks, years? How do these vaccines do it?
It can be years. Long term effects include ADE -- antibody dependent enhancement. Basically, the antibodies produced in response to the vaccines aren't 100% effective at stopping the virus, so when the vaccinated person encounters the virus for the first time, or a new variant, the antibodies enhance the effects of the virus rather than stopping it -- in other words you can be far worse off than if you'd never been vaccinated at all. None of the vaccines have completed long term clinical trials, so nobody knows if this will be an issue or how deadly it will be. Vaccine trials usually take years for that reason -- trials of only a few months can't rule out long term effects like these.
 

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That's why they gave up on developing a SARS vaccine.
 

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