tmttactical
A True Doomsday Prepper
Quote Proud Prepper: I don't have the time to explain it to you. It's not really important. I'll sum it up. Russia will not expand into Europe, unless it's a necessity to there defense. They just wish to be left alone.
Nobody forced Russia to invade. They chose to become involved. Since you failed to answer any of my questions and chose to use the limp wrist approach of not having the time to explain, I will mark you down as not having an answer to my questions.
Quote Garp58: I am sorry to defer. PUTIN WAS INVITED INTO THE CRIMEA.......The eastern Ukrainians who were being killed (14,000 in about 8 years) cried for help just as the Cosovo cried for help, Croatia cried for help, Bosnia cried for help and NATO got together and bombed the hell out of the Serbs.....NOBODY HELPED THE EASTERN UKRAINIANS.
Major difference the Ukrainian government did not ask Russia to invade, the Ukrainian rebels asked Russia for help. As for the United Nations, they are a complete joke and the biggest waste of money.14,000 Ukrainians died in 8 years before Russia invaded. After Russia invaded how many Ukrainians have died? Still nobody has answered the questions. Who has benefited from Russia invading the Ukraine? Who gave Russian the right to force another nation to become a "Buffer Nation"? At least Garp58 has tried to explain why Russia invaded. Has anybody every noticed that the world powers always have a problem with the perceived weaker nations? If the Western Nations are the villain's, why don't these Super Power nations declare war against their perceived foe's? Every bully nation, America included, can and will find a reason to attack those nations that don't toe the party line, if they are weaker opponents. It is always the military and civilians that suffer the losses. The people in charge rant and rave but never suffer to consequences. I don't care how bad a government is, that is the problem of the people to deal with, just like it is here in America. We may have to take up arms in an attempt to fix our problems but I do not and will not support any foreign nations coming into help fix us. Pointing fingers at America and saying they did it, so we can too is schoolyard tactics. America has done a lot of very stupid things but that does not excuse Putin and Russia from their stupid invasion.
Here is the bottom line. Putin was convinced he could invade and defeat Ukraine within weeks and have his "Buffer State". What I don't know or can prove is why Putin believed he could win the invasion in such a short time frame. Was he mislead by his own administration? Was he suckered into invading by the West? Did the west deliberately entice Putin to invade by not taking more action after he invaded the Chimera? Lots of questions but none of them have anything to do with justification of the invasion. Mexico brings in illegal drugs that kill thousands of Americans every year. China makes the drugs that Mexico smuggles in. America know this and can prove it but America has not declared war on Mexico or China. Nations go to war after they evaluate the gain / loss factor. America does not go to war with Mexico or China because there is not profit in it. Russia did not go to war with the Ukraine until the government changed course and they thought they could win a quick war and gain a buffer state and improve their economy. They guessed wrong. Now we all are paying the price. I don't care if Hitler was running the Ukraine, as long as he did not invade any other countries. That was the problem for the Ukrainians.
Now for the next phase of thought. What lay ahead for the Ukraine and Russia? If Russia does win and the west stops providing massive open military aid, Russia is going to be faced with huge rebuilding costs and a guerilla war. Of course the Ukraine leaders will be given sanctuary and will be able to keep a war going for decades. Now god forbid, Ukraine forces Russia to leave, then more and more predatorial nations start looking at Russia for their next meal. Russia needs to declare victory, move back within Russian borders and stop the madness from escalating. There re no good guys or bad guys, just stupid and more stupid people. Every war has clear winners and it is not the people fighting it.
Nobody forced Russia to invade. They chose to become involved. Since you failed to answer any of my questions and chose to use the limp wrist approach of not having the time to explain, I will mark you down as not having an answer to my questions.
Quote Garp58: I am sorry to defer. PUTIN WAS INVITED INTO THE CRIMEA.......The eastern Ukrainians who were being killed (14,000 in about 8 years) cried for help just as the Cosovo cried for help, Croatia cried for help, Bosnia cried for help and NATO got together and bombed the hell out of the Serbs.....NOBODY HELPED THE EASTERN UKRAINIANS.
Major difference the Ukrainian government did not ask Russia to invade, the Ukrainian rebels asked Russia for help. As for the United Nations, they are a complete joke and the biggest waste of money.14,000 Ukrainians died in 8 years before Russia invaded. After Russia invaded how many Ukrainians have died? Still nobody has answered the questions. Who has benefited from Russia invading the Ukraine? Who gave Russian the right to force another nation to become a "Buffer Nation"? At least Garp58 has tried to explain why Russia invaded. Has anybody every noticed that the world powers always have a problem with the perceived weaker nations? If the Western Nations are the villain's, why don't these Super Power nations declare war against their perceived foe's? Every bully nation, America included, can and will find a reason to attack those nations that don't toe the party line, if they are weaker opponents. It is always the military and civilians that suffer the losses. The people in charge rant and rave but never suffer to consequences. I don't care how bad a government is, that is the problem of the people to deal with, just like it is here in America. We may have to take up arms in an attempt to fix our problems but I do not and will not support any foreign nations coming into help fix us. Pointing fingers at America and saying they did it, so we can too is schoolyard tactics. America has done a lot of very stupid things but that does not excuse Putin and Russia from their stupid invasion.
Here is the bottom line. Putin was convinced he could invade and defeat Ukraine within weeks and have his "Buffer State". What I don't know or can prove is why Putin believed he could win the invasion in such a short time frame. Was he mislead by his own administration? Was he suckered into invading by the West? Did the west deliberately entice Putin to invade by not taking more action after he invaded the Chimera? Lots of questions but none of them have anything to do with justification of the invasion. Mexico brings in illegal drugs that kill thousands of Americans every year. China makes the drugs that Mexico smuggles in. America know this and can prove it but America has not declared war on Mexico or China. Nations go to war after they evaluate the gain / loss factor. America does not go to war with Mexico or China because there is not profit in it. Russia did not go to war with the Ukraine until the government changed course and they thought they could win a quick war and gain a buffer state and improve their economy. They guessed wrong. Now we all are paying the price. I don't care if Hitler was running the Ukraine, as long as he did not invade any other countries. That was the problem for the Ukrainians.
Now for the next phase of thought. What lay ahead for the Ukraine and Russia? If Russia does win and the west stops providing massive open military aid, Russia is going to be faced with huge rebuilding costs and a guerilla war. Of course the Ukraine leaders will be given sanctuary and will be able to keep a war going for decades. Now god forbid, Ukraine forces Russia to leave, then more and more predatorial nations start looking at Russia for their next meal. Russia needs to declare victory, move back within Russian borders and stop the madness from escalating. There re no good guys or bad guys, just stupid and more stupid people. Every war has clear winners and it is not the people fighting it.