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Goebbels would be so proud of you. If he was alive I'm sure he would adopt you as a grandson.
We can all get this information (propaganda) from the MSM. What we need to share here is what the controlled media is not telling us and hiding from us. We don't need all there lies repeated here.
Someone on another site is complaining that the pandemic will not go away until everyone is vaxxed. Either the vax works or it doesn't.
How about natural immunity. It's better than the vax, but they keep YELLING about the vax that hasn't been through animal trials nor been around long enough to know long term side effects.
How about natural immunity. It's better than the vax, but they keep YELLING about the vax that hasn't been through animal trials nor been around long enough to know long term side effects.
I am going to agree with this part of your post.
Cytokine storms is what needs to be suppressed - that is why steroids and monoclonal antibody treatments are being used with *some* successes once people hit the hospital.
ARDS has a high mortality rate at baseline, whether it be a complication of COVID, influenza, burns or a blood transfusion (TRALI). This is nothing new.
If we could figure out how to fix that - it would be great.
Prominent doctor and researcher calls for COVID-19 vaccines to be pulled from the market
“A prominent researcher and physician recently gave a 90-minute presentation outlining his case for why the experimental COVID-19 vaccines should be pulled from the market.
Dr. Peter McCullough said, among other concerns, that most of the deaths that have been attributed to COVID-19 can be prevented using early treatments that have thus far been suppressed by policymakers.
Dr. McCullough is the Editor-in-Chief of two medical journals in addition to working as a practicing cardiologist, internist and epidemiologist. He has led the monitoring safety boards of several major drug trials and also serves as the president of the Cardio Renal Society of America and an associate editor of the American Journal of Cardiology. He previously served as a professor of medicine at the Baylor University School of Medicine. With more than 600 peer-reviewed publications to his name, including top-tier journals like the Journal of the American Medical Association, The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine, it is safe to say that his conclusion deserves a closer look.
One of the biggest medical mistakes in history
McCullough said in a recent podcast that he believes the forced mass vaccination program in America will end up being regarded as one of the biggest medical mistakes in history. “Americans are going to bear the brunt of what invariably is going to be a failed mass vaccination program that will go down as one of the most deadly, one of the most injurious and costly in human history.”
“A prominent researcher and physician recently gave a 90-minute presentation outlining his case for why the experimental COVID-19 vaccines should be pulled from the market.
Dr. Peter McCullough said, among other concerns, that most of the deaths that have been attributed to COVID-19 can be prevented using early treatments that have thus far been suppressed by policymakers.
Dr. McCullough is the Editor-in-Chief of two medical journals in addition to working as a practicing cardiologist, internist and epidemiologist. He has led the monitoring safety boards of several major drug trials and also serves as the president of the Cardio Renal Society of America and an associate editor of the American Journal of Cardiology. He previously served as a professor of medicine at the Baylor University School of Medicine. With more than 600 peer-reviewed publications to his name, including top-tier journals like the Journal of the American Medical Association, The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine, it is safe to say that his conclusion deserves a closer look.
One of the biggest medical mistakes in history
McCullough said in a recent podcast that he believes the forced mass vaccination program in America will end up being regarded as one of the biggest medical mistakes in history. “Americans are going to bear the brunt of what invariably is going to be a failed mass vaccination program that will go down as one of the most deadly, one of the most injurious and costly in human history.”
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Lawsuit: Doc Using Old Baylor Affiliation While Dishing COVID Vax Falsehoods
— Baylor Scott & White Health says Peter McCullough, MD, used former title during media interviews
Baylor Scott & White Health sued former employee and cardiologist Peter McCullough, MD, last week, alleging that he illegitimately affiliated himself with its facilities when promoting controversial views about COVID-19.
Nearly 6 months after McCullough's employment had ended, he continued to use his former professional titles -- such as "vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center" -- in media interviews in which he spread his opinions about the pandemic, the lawsuit alleged.
Since McCullough entered a confidential employment separation agreement with Baylor in February, the cardiologist has conducted "dozens, if not hundreds" of media interviews in which he used his former affiliation, according to legal documents. Baylor Scott & White Health and the HealthTexas Provider Network, the other listed plaintiff, have accused the cardiologist of breaching his contract.
The lawsuit, first reported by the Dallas Morning News, stated that Baylor received several inquiries expressing confusion about McCullough's employment and affiliation status -- matters that the separation agreement were meant to clarify, it said.
"This ongoing confusion regarding McCullough's affiliations, and whether Plaintiffs support his opinions, is exactly what Plaintiffs bargained to avoid in the Separation Agreement," the lawsuit stated. The plaintiffs added that McCullough's continued affiliation is likely to cause "irreparable reputational and business harm."
In several media interviews, McCullough has spread misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines and treatments. He has claimed that there is no scientific reason for healthy people under 50 and those who have recovered from COVID to get the vaccine, and has asserted that 50,000 Americans have died from the shots. According to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), there have been 6,490 deaths after COVID vaccination -- and it's unclear if the immunizations were the actual cause of death in these cases.
McCullough has also come under fire for promoting the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19. A group of clinicians from Doctors for America, a nonprofit physician organization, wrote in the Dallas Morning News last December that they were "deeply concerned after hearing the baseless, misleading commentary" from McCullough, in which he promoted the use of the antimalarial drug for early outpatient COVID-19 care. Randomized controlled trials have repeatedly shown that hydroxychloroquine is not effective to treat or prevent COVID-19, the physicians said.
In a statement shared with MedPage Today, McCullough's attorney Clinton Mikel said that Baylor's lawsuit is "frivolous" and driven by the current political landscape, as the lawsuit was filed on the same day Baylor announced it would be mandating COVID-19 vaccines for employees.
"This is a politically motivated attempt to silence Dr. McCullough as he saves countless patient lives from COVID-19 and from ancillary actions related to COVID-19," Mikel stated.
He added that McCullough did not state in any interviews that he was employed by or affiliated with Baylor, but because of his history with the health system, media sources have erroneously affiliated him with it without his consent. Mikel also said that McCullough is not anti-vaccine, but believes that the risks from COVID-19 vaccines outweigh the benefits.
The plaintiffs filed a motion for a restraining order against McCullough, in which they stated that they do not aim to silence McCullough, but to clarify that his opinions are his own.
"This is not a free speech issue or stifling of dissent. McCullough can offer his opinions to whomever he wishes, but he cannot do so while claiming current affiliation with Plaintiffs," they stated.
- Amanda D'Ambrosio is a reporter on MedPage Today’s enterprise & investigative team. She covers obstetrics-gynecology and other clinical news, and writes features about the U.S. healthcare system. Follow
Lawsuit: Doc Using Old Baylor Affiliation While Dishing COVID Vax Falsehoods
— Baylor Scott & White Health says Peter McCullough, MD, used former title during media interviews
Baylor Scott & White Health sued former employee and cardiologist Peter McCullough, MD, last week, alleging that he illegitimately affiliated himself with its facilities when promoting controversial views about COVID-19.
Nearly 6 months after McCullough's employment had ended, he continued to use his former professional titles -- such as "vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center" -- in media interviews in which he spread his opinions about the pandemic, the lawsuit alleged.
Since McCullough entered a confidential employment separation agreement with Baylor in February, the cardiologist has conducted "dozens, if not hundreds" of media interviews in which he used his former affiliation, according to legal documents. Baylor Scott & White Health and the HealthTexas Provider Network, the other listed plaintiff, have accused the cardiologist of breaching his contract.
The lawsuit, first reported by the Dallas Morning News, stated that Baylor received several inquiries expressing confusion about McCullough's employment and affiliation status -- matters that the separation agreement were meant to clarify, it said.
"This ongoing confusion regarding McCullough's affiliations, and whether Plaintiffs support his opinions, is exactly what Plaintiffs bargained to avoid in the Separation Agreement," the lawsuit stated. The plaintiffs added that McCullough's continued affiliation is likely to cause "irreparable reputational and business harm."
In several media interviews, McCullough has spread misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines and treatments. He has claimed that there is no scientific reason for healthy people under 50 and those who have recovered from COVID to get the vaccine, and has asserted that 50,000 Americans have died from the shots. According to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), there have been 6,490 deaths after COVID vaccination -- and it's unclear if the immunizations were the actual cause of death in these cases.
McCullough has also come under fire for promoting the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19. A group of clinicians from Doctors for America, a nonprofit physician organization, wrote in the Dallas Morning News last December that they were "deeply concerned after hearing the baseless, misleading commentary" from McCullough, in which he promoted the use of the antimalarial drug for early outpatient COVID-19 care. Randomized controlled trials have repeatedly shown that hydroxychloroquine is not effective to treat or prevent COVID-19, the physicians said.
In a statement shared with MedPage Today, McCullough's attorney Clinton Mikel said that Baylor's lawsuit is "frivolous" and driven by the current political landscape, as the lawsuit was filed on the same day Baylor announced it would be mandating COVID-19 vaccines for employees.
"This is a politically motivated attempt to silence Dr. McCullough as he saves countless patient lives from COVID-19 and from ancillary actions related to COVID-19," Mikel stated.
He added that McCullough did not state in any interviews that he was employed by or affiliated with Baylor, but because of his history with the health system, media sources have erroneously affiliated him with it without his consent. Mikel also said that McCullough is not anti-vaccine, but believes that the risks from COVID-19 vaccines outweigh the benefits.
The plaintiffs filed a motion for a restraining order against McCullough, in which they stated that they do not aim to silence McCullough, but to clarify that his opinions are his own.
"This is not a free speech issue or stifling of dissent. McCullough can offer his opinions to whomever he wishes, but he cannot do so while claiming current affiliation with Plaintiffs," they stated.
- Amanda D'Ambrosio is a reporter on MedPage Today’s enterprise & investigative team. She covers obstetrics-gynecology and other clinical news, and writes features about the U.S. healthcare system. Follow
Just what a criminal cartel controlled media would say against Those who oppose them.
You just don't understand that we are in a war. I hope you don't end up staying on the wrong side.
Remember how GREAT they told us ASBESTHOS, Amalgam, Contergam and other crap they produced and gave us back in the 50's and 60's, but then came to find out they all produced cancer or damaged babies????
Keep your crap for your own children and families and leave us alone to get our natural immunities and health from our natural and God-given anti-body system which has functioned well enough for the last 10,000 years if recorded history. Until the POS Rockefeller started producing the crap they called "medicine" from CRUDE OIL!!!! we did not have the cancer, deaths, allergies and all the bad side-effects in our population!!
Back then they started to get us sick on purpose just to "cure" us with the same crude oil based crap that made us sick in the first place....do the math.
Live free, Gary
Keep your crap for your own children and families and leave us alone to get our natural immunities and health from our natural and God-given anti-body system which has functioned well enough for the last 10,000 years if recorded history. Until the POS Rockefeller started producing the crap they called "medicine" from CRUDE OIL!!!! we did not have the cancer, deaths, allergies and all the bad side-effects in our population!!
Back then they started to get us sick on purpose just to "cure" us with the same crude oil based crap that made us sick in the first place....do the math.
Live free, Gary
Roninsensei
If it’s sharp, I’m your guy....
Blankets are free from the government if you’re cold. No? Are you sure? We don’t want you to die of cold (cough cough smallpox) trust the government. They ALWAYS have your best interest in mind. 
We know this is about money not about public health. This is 99% survivable. Everything else had a much higher mortality rate. Yet they are comparing it to Polio or Smallpox. It’s lunacy. We’ve never masked or vax’d for flu and it kills children at a much higher rate. Also let’s stop with the Pandemic talk. This is fully Endemic now. Learn to live with it cause it’s here to stay. I don’t do flu shots. I deal with the flu. I got COVID-19 it turns out in late 2019. I dealt with it and my Titers test still shows strong immunity. I took vitamin C and D through it. All whooping 3 days of it. Just remember my favorite quote to come out of this is
“If you have to be persuaded, reminded, bullied, pressured, incentivized, lied to, guilt tripped, coerced, socially shamed, censored, threatened, paid, punished, and criminalized, if all of this is necessary to gain your compliance, you can be absolutely certain what is being promoted is not in your best interest.”
We know this is about money not about public health. This is 99% survivable. Everything else had a much higher mortality rate. Yet they are comparing it to Polio or Smallpox. It’s lunacy. We’ve never masked or vax’d for flu and it kills children at a much higher rate. Also let’s stop with the Pandemic talk. This is fully Endemic now. Learn to live with it cause it’s here to stay. I don’t do flu shots. I deal with the flu. I got COVID-19 it turns out in late 2019. I dealt with it and my Titers test still shows strong immunity. I took vitamin C and D through it. All whooping 3 days of it. Just remember my favorite quote to come out of this is
“If you have to be persuaded, reminded, bullied, pressured, incentivized, lied to, guilt tripped, coerced, socially shamed, censored, threatened, paid, punished, and criminalized, if all of this is necessary to gain your compliance, you can be absolutely certain what is being promoted is not in your best interest.”
You’ve proven my point. They CAN’T DENY what he has said. All they can do is attempt to shut him up and make derogatory UNTRUE statements about him. In his speech he never said he was still working with them! Too bad they don’t like the FACT he has all these years of experience, skills, knowledge and research! He is most certainly allowed to give his resume. DUH
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@Danil54grl @Proud Prepper I'll say it again. I love you.
@wheresclair I like that you are presenting what you believe to be the truth, in a clear, calm fasion; however, your "fact checkers" and "experts" no longer hold any clout with me as the the media, the CDC, and the WHO have CLEARLY lied repeatedly for well over a year.
There is no more trust in them, in fact, they have lied so often, that I just expect EVERYTHING they say is a lie. I have to go with common sense, which is:
Covid has a 99.5% survival rate
Natural immunity is 13 times better than the vaccine
The vaccine is experimental at best, with PROVEN side effects, including DEATH, and no long term studies.
Easy decision for me.
PAAAAAAAAAAASS
@wheresclair I like that you are presenting what you believe to be the truth, in a clear, calm fasion; however, your "fact checkers" and "experts" no longer hold any clout with me as the the media, the CDC, and the WHO have CLEARLY lied repeatedly for well over a year.
There is no more trust in them, in fact, they have lied so often, that I just expect EVERYTHING they say is a lie. I have to go with common sense, which is:
Covid has a 99.5% survival rate
Natural immunity is 13 times better than the vaccine
The vaccine is experimental at best, with PROVEN side effects, including DEATH, and no long term studies.
Easy decision for me.
PAAAAAAAAAAASS
wheresclair
Member
COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination
Published September 20, 2021 (From RED state Nebraska)
If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?
The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.
- More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
- Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
- Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination
"Natural immunity can be spotty. Some people can react vigorously and get a great antibody response. Other people don't get such a great response," says infectious diseases expert Mark Rupp, MD. "Clearly, vaccine-induced immunity is more standardized and can be longer-lasting."
A third of infections don't get any protective antibodies
Some people who get COVID-19 receive no protection from reinfection – their natural immunity is nonexistent. A recent study found that 36% of COVID-19 cases didn't result in development of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The people had different levels of illness – most had moderate disease, but some were asymptomatic and some experienced severe COVID-19.
"Vaccine-induced immunity is more predictable than natural immunity," says Dr. Rupp. The COVID-19 vaccines provide great protection from severe disease, hospitalization and death.
Natural immunity fades more quickly than vaccine immunity
Natural immunity can decay within about 90 days. Immunity from COVID-19 vaccines has been shown to last longer. Both Pfizer and Moderna reported strong vaccine protection for at least six months.
Studies are ongoing to evaluate the full duration of protective immunity, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Real-world studies also indicate natural immunity's short life. For example, 65% of people with a lower baseline antibody from infection to begin with completely lost their COVID-19 antibodies by 60 days.
What about that Israeli study suggesting natural immunity is stronger? Infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH, FIDSA, carefully evaluates the study design of the retrospective Maccabi Health System study in his Aug. 31 briefing. In the briefing, he identifies two concerning sources of error that were not corrected for: survivorship bias and selection bias.
Natural immunity alone is weak
One study compared natural immunity alone to natural immunity plus vaccination. They found that, after infection, unvaccinated people are 2.34 times likelier to get COVID-19 again, compared to fully vaccinated people. So vaccinated people (after infection) have half the risk of reinfection than people relying on natural immunity alone.
"Studies show that the vaccine gives a very good booster response if you've had COVID-19 before," says Dr. Rupp.
Furthermore, there is no country on the globe in which natural infection and natural immunity has brought the pandemic under control. In countries like Iran or Brazil very high levels of natural infection have not prevented recurrent waves of infection.
How soon after COVID-19 to get vaccinated
How soon is too soon to get vaccinated after you're sick with COVID-19? If you're no longer sick and out of isolation, you should get vaccinated.
We recommend that people with post-COVID syndrome (long haulers) should get the vaccine as well. There are some reports of people with post-COVID syndrome experiencing marked improvement in symptoms following vaccination.
Are vaccine adverse reactions more common after infection?
Those with prior infection tend to have more systemic (and short-lived) side effects after vaccination. One study shows that the likelihood of fatigue, headache, chills and other systemic side effects increases for people who have had COVID-19 infection in the past. These side effects show that the vaccine is working and resolve in a day or two days.
There's nothing to suggest that people who have had COVID-19 before are at greater risk for more serious adverse events.
Serious adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination remain extraordinarily rare.
You are much, much more likely to have an adverse reaction to COVID-19 (the disease)
like hospitalization or death than you are from any of the COVID-19 vaccines.
COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination
Published September 20, 2021 (From RED state Nebraska)
If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?
The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.
The takeaway: Get vaccinated, even if you've had COVID-19. Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity.
- More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
- Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
- Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination
"Natural immunity can be spotty. Some people can react vigorously and get a great antibody response. Other people don't get such a great response," says infectious diseases expert Mark Rupp, MD. "Clearly, vaccine-induced immunity is more standardized and can be longer-lasting."
A third of infections don't get any protective antibodies
Some people who get COVID-19 receive no protection from reinfection – their natural immunity is nonexistent. A recent study found that 36% of COVID-19 cases didn't result in development of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The people had different levels of illness – most had moderate disease, but some were asymptomatic and some experienced severe COVID-19.
"Vaccine-induced immunity is more predictable than natural immunity," says Dr. Rupp. The COVID-19 vaccines provide great protection from severe disease, hospitalization and death.
Natural immunity fades more quickly than vaccine immunity
Natural immunity can decay within about 90 days. Immunity from COVID-19 vaccines has been shown to last longer. Both Pfizer and Moderna reported strong vaccine protection for at least six months.
Studies are ongoing to evaluate the full duration of protective immunity, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Real-world studies also indicate natural immunity's short life. For example, 65% of people with a lower baseline antibody from infection to begin with completely lost their COVID-19 antibodies by 60 days.
What about that Israeli study suggesting natural immunity is stronger? Infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH, FIDSA, carefully evaluates the study design of the retrospective Maccabi Health System study in his Aug. 31 briefing. In the briefing, he identifies two concerning sources of error that were not corrected for: survivorship bias and selection bias.
Natural immunity alone is weak
One study compared natural immunity alone to natural immunity plus vaccination. They found that, after infection, unvaccinated people are 2.34 times likelier to get COVID-19 again, compared to fully vaccinated people. So vaccinated people (after infection) have half the risk of reinfection than people relying on natural immunity alone.
"Studies show that the vaccine gives a very good booster response if you've had COVID-19 before," says Dr. Rupp.
Furthermore, there is no country on the globe in which natural infection and natural immunity has brought the pandemic under control. In countries like Iran or Brazil very high levels of natural infection have not prevented recurrent waves of infection.
How soon after COVID-19 to get vaccinated
How soon is too soon to get vaccinated after you're sick with COVID-19? If you're no longer sick and out of isolation, you should get vaccinated.
We recommend that people with post-COVID syndrome (long haulers) should get the vaccine as well. There are some reports of people with post-COVID syndrome experiencing marked improvement in symptoms following vaccination.
Are vaccine adverse reactions more common after infection?
Those with prior infection tend to have more systemic (and short-lived) side effects after vaccination. One study shows that the likelihood of fatigue, headache, chills and other systemic side effects increases for people who have had COVID-19 infection in the past. These side effects show that the vaccine is working and resolve in a day or two days.
There's nothing to suggest that people who have had COVID-19 before are at greater risk for more serious adverse events.
Serious adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination remain extraordinarily rare.
You are much, much more likely to have an adverse reaction to COVID-19 (the disease)
like hospitalization or death than you are from any of the COVID-19 vaccines.
Go get your booster shot. You can have mine also. R.I.P.
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Member
Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines did not skip animal trials
Pfizer posted a peer-reviewed Feb. 2021 paper on its vaccine working on primates (here).
Moderna has released similar information (here , here), as has
Johnson & Johnson (here).
None had significant safety issues to report in their respective animal trials, as seen under “5.3 Non-Clinical Studies” sections of the EUAs for Pfizer-BioNTech here , Moderna here and Johnson & Johnson here .
Due to time constraints and the urgency to find a vaccine for COVID-19, Moderna and Pfizer did receive approval to run animal testing and early trials on humans at the same time, as opposed to fully completing animal trials before moving on to human trials. This, however, does not mean animal trials were skipped or that the safety of the vaccines were compromised (here , here , here).
Reuters Fact Check has debunked false similar claims about the safety and trials of the COVID-19 vaccines approved by the FDA for emergency use here , here , here and here .
VERDICT
False. The COVID-19 vaccines produced by Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson did not skip animal testing.
This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work here .
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COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination
Published September 20, 2021 (From RED state Nebraska)
If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?
The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.
The takeaway: Get vaccinated, even if you've had COVID-19. Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity.
- More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
- Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
- Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination
"Natural immunity can be spotty. Some people can react vigorously and get a great antibody response. Other people don't get such a great response," says infectious diseases expert Mark Rupp, MD. "Clearly, vaccine-induced immunity is more standardized and can be longer-lasting."
A third of infections don't get any protective antibodies
Some people who get COVID-19 receive no protection from reinfection – their natural immunity is nonexistent. A recent study found that 36% of COVID-19 cases didn't result in development of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The people had different levels of illness – most had moderate disease, but some were asymptomatic and some experienced severe COVID-19.
"Vaccine-induced immunity is more predictable than natural immunity," says Dr. Rupp. The COVID-19 vaccines provide great protection from severe disease, hospitalization and death.
Natural immunity fades more quickly than vaccine immunity
Natural immunity can decay within about 90 days. Immunity from COVID-19 vaccines has been shown to last longer. Both Pfizer and Moderna reported strong vaccine protection for at least six months.
Studies are ongoing to evaluate the full duration of protective immunity, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Real-world studies also indicate natural immunity's short life. For example, 65% of people with a lower baseline antibody from infection to begin with completely lost their COVID-19 antibodies by 60 days.
What about that Israeli study suggesting natural immunity is stronger? Infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH, FIDSA, carefully evaluates the study design of the retrospective Maccabi Health System study in his Aug. 31 briefing. In the briefing, he identifies two concerning sources of error that were not corrected for: survivorship bias and selection bias.
Natural immunity alone is weak
One study compared natural immunity alone to natural immunity plus vaccination. They found that, after infection, unvaccinated people are 2.34 times likelier to get COVID-19 again, compared to fully vaccinated people. So vaccinated people (after infection) have half the risk of reinfection than people relying on natural immunity alone.
"Studies show that the vaccine gives a very good booster response if you've had COVID-19 before," says Dr. Rupp.
Furthermore, there is no country on the globe in which natural infection and natural immunity has brought the pandemic under control. In countries like Iran or Brazil very high levels of natural infection have not prevented recurrent waves of infection.
How soon after COVID-19 to get vaccinated
How soon is too soon to get vaccinated after you're sick with COVID-19? If you're no longer sick and out of isolation, you should get vaccinated.
We recommend that people with post-COVID syndrome (long haulers) should get the vaccine as well. There are some reports of people with post-COVID syndrome experiencing marked improvement in symptoms following vaccination.
Are vaccine adverse reactions more common after infection?
Those with prior infection tend to have more systemic (and short-lived) side effects after vaccination. One study shows that the likelihood of fatigue, headache, chills and other systemic side effects increases for people who have had COVID-19 infection in the past. These side effects show that the vaccine is working and resolve in a day or two days.
There's nothing to suggest that people who have had COVID-19 before are at greater risk for more serious adverse events.
Serious adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination remain extraordinarily rare.
You are much, much more likely to have an adverse reaction to COVID-19 (the disease)
like hospitalization or death than you are from any of the COVID-19 vaccines.
Not according to the data out of Israel and the UK!! They are a bit ahead of us on large vaccinations and they are seeing 80% vaxxed in the hospital! You are getting redundant and boring.
wheresclair
Member
Show all of us these studies with the key data that refutes the US data.
And why in the world do you believe some other country's data over US scientist's data - doesn't sound patriotic, it sounds "convenient." Only boring because it seems you are not interested in the possibility that you might not be making rational decisions. No offense,
DrJenner, I haven't heard much about ECMO in a long while. I know it's not a long term solution but at one time I read that a fairly high number of patients receiving it were going home alive. What exactly is the status on that now?
Go find it yourself.
Roninsensei
If it’s sharp, I’m your guy....
Idk where you’re getting your information. I’ve been participating in a study by my doctor and I literally have been going in for monthly Titers tests. My immunity has shown strength for nearly 2 years. They will publish in the next six months but so far the results are devastating to the anti-natural immunity crowd. These are the same people that claimed that formula is better than breast milk. Oops. Lol. Plus suddenly all “experts” seem to have forgotten about T cell immunity.
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/...ay-offer-lasting-protection-against-covid-19/
See I have the Internet too.
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/...ay-offer-lasting-protection-against-covid-19/
See I have the Internet too.
wheresclair
Member
I too thought ECMO was promising, but I was reading the inventor's website - probably a little biased?
From one those "other countries" that do research:
High In-Hospital Mortality in COVID Patients Receiving ECMO in Germany – A Critical Analysis
https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1164/rccm.202105-1145LE
From one those "other countries" that do research:
High In-Hospital Mortality in COVID Patients Receiving ECMO in Germany – A Critical Analysis
https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1164/rccm.202105-1145LE
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