Amish Heart
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Same here. Picking all the green tomatoes and peppers today.
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it depends on your interpretation of "attack" >>> local guy went out to save his dog from a pack of coyotes and was attacked & badly bitten - from your posting it makes it sounds like there's NO likely interaction with them - which is totally untrue
You are working off of old data Gary. Up until 1979 that was true, but since then there have been documented coyote attacks, rare, but increasing in frequency. Only two have been fatal however, one in 1981 and one in 2009. For some reason (I have a theory on this) they mostly occur in California:
2 in 1979
1 in 1981
then the next one in 1988
2 in 1990
2 in 1992
2 in 1994
5 in 1995
7 in 1997
3 in 1998
5 in 1999
1 in 2000
7 in 2001
7 in 2002
and so on
There were 12 in 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote_attack
Kevin L
A True Doomsday Prepper
OK, thank you. So, maybe I'm justified in carrying my 9mm Hi-Power when I walk my dogs. I hope I never have to shoot one because I find them to be interesting animals that I enjoy watching, but I will if I absolutely have to.
Walking back to camp from the deer stand after dark, I have found myself with packs of coyotes between me and camp. Although there haven't been any documented attacks in that state, it's still bone chilling to hear their hellish yipping and know you have to walk towards them in the dark.
For that reason I started carrying a 1911 while deer hunting, just for peace of mind.
For that reason I started carrying a 1911 while deer hunting, just for peace of mind.
Kevin L
A True Doomsday Prepper
I understand . . . although I like hearing them yip and howl. They seem to go nuts with howling whenever a siren from an ambulance goes by.
Thanks for the update...As I re-read my post I saw my mistake. I said no attacks...I wanted to write no wolf attacks. I know of the coyote problem but I wanted to say that only Hollywood made the wolf look so bad, I have never read about a wolf attacking a human, even tho it may have happened sometime, I have never read or heard of a wolf attack on a human.
Kevin L
A True Doomsday Prepper
Do you think Californians are preferentially attacked because of the state's anti-gun and anti-hunting policies? Is this assumption a stretch?
I would say yes and plus the development into previously rural areas. As farmland is bought up and subdivided, wild animals are pushed farther out.
We had coyotes on our property, come up to the yard to yowl at our dogs. Our shepherds went nuts.
We shot off the porch and they ran away, but now the area to the east of us is being developed with some millionaires coming over from Seattle. Haven't seen the coyotes since they started tearing up the old farmland to build in a road.
Glad we are moving.
Brought my plants in for the winter. We've had so much rain, two of them were very heavy. I'll have to move them again when we put up Christmas tree.
Kevin L
A True Doomsday Prepper
It's good that you're relocating, then.
I guess I don't understand a lot of the antipathy towatd coyotes, though. I realize that they can spread disease, they can kill livestock and small pets . . . but I've also seen them eating gophers and rats.
I like hearing them howl and yip when I turn in at night, and they seem like interesting animals.
From what I've seen, they also seem blindingly intelligent, as far as animals go.
I like them as well, however they were coming up to attack our dogs, so we shot over them to scare them. I didn't want a huge vet bill - I know our dogs can handle themselves, but these coyotes looked pretty desperate (and skinny) so I'm guessing they were very hungry.
I like having them around to kill all the gophers in our yard. We also keep our chickens penned up so they can't get to them (no free range here).
I think I am seeing some satellite interruptions due to the solar flares or whatever they are called. I thought it was expected on Saturday.
There are lots of you tube videos on them. Made with cinder blocks. You are like me Arctic. Bad signals to watch anything online.
Great, now all I'm thinking is "Dingoes ate my baby."
Arcticdude
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Californians are attacked because of their political views, their arrogance and for changing the place they move to in to where they left. I grew up in Oregon. It was a conservative state until the Californian infestation. Eastern Oregon is still pretty conservative but there's enough socialists in Portland and the Willamette Valley to dictate socialist policy over the whole state.
I've never met a conservative Californian yet.
39 wolf attacks in North America from apparently healthy wolves and 12 from confirmed rabid wolves. Mostly in Alaska and Canada. Wolf attacks are more likely to be fatal than coyote attacks.
You should meet my dad, my brother and my son.
Edited to add: My dad actually grew up in Brooklyn and came out to Los Angeles when he was 18, so roughly early 1950's. Has always voted Republican, extremely conservative and always owned his own business.
My brother who was born in CA (as was I)- Still lives there, owns his own business and also has very conservative views.
My son, who recently moved back to CA to work with his dad, is super conservative. His girlfriend broke up with him as he had a blue lives matter flag and a trump flag in the back of his pickup. I was glad she broke up with him - there was one day we were joking that everytime we hear BLM, we think of bureau of land management (this was my husband and his sister, her husband who are all from rural MT). She started bawling crying and left the dinner table. We weren't even poking fun of anything, just mentioning it. It was ridiculous.
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It's a combination of factors.
One is that historically coyotes were not apex predators and at a severe disadvantage when matched against a bear, wolf, mountain lion, or armed human. So they had a fear of apex predators and always sought to avoid rather than confront them. In areas where humans are no longer armed and don't behave like an apex predators, and the other apex predators have been extirpated, the coyote is now the apex predator, and is starting to act like one.
Another is that animals identify a predator by smell. When you eat red meat, you give off a predator body odor. Non-apex predators and prey animals know this smell and run from it. When apex predators, on the other hand, smell this predator body odor, they smell competition and aggressively defend their territory. Vegans do not have the predator body odor, making them smell like prey animals. I think this also explains mountain lion attacks in California.
Where I encounter coyotes, there is an abundance of prey animals, especially rabbits and voles, and coyotes never go hungry. They don't ever have any reason to see humans as a food source. (plus, humans are usually meat eaters, and usually armed and shoot coyotes on sight) In Southern California, there is not such an abundance of prey animals and those that are there are more cautious and more difficult to catch, so coyotes seek other food sources.
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