Double-Blind Ivermectin Study Reveals COVID Patients Recover More Quickly, Are Less Infectious

[backandbeyond]

This drug is getting the same treatment Apricot kernels get. Don't eat Apricot seeds, YOU'LL DIE OF CYANIDE POISONING. Except you wont unless you eat 10,000 in a single sitting.

Here look. The medical cartel have an article on it citing 13 people that got sick Cyanide poisoning caused by ingestion of apricot seeds - PubMed

None died though, not like the hundreds of thousands that die each year in the US from combinations of pharma drugs, bad handwriting from doctors and other medical cockups.

Trust doctor
Doctor knows best

 

[Proud Prepper]

The other day I did room maintenance in a room with a tenant who tested positive for Covid a few days before. I could tell by their reaction they couldn’t believe that I was willing to work in their room, especially without a mask or any PPE. Brain washed.. My inoculated coworkers refused to enter. Brainwashed..

I'm not going to live my life in fear, or spread fear by wearing the hazmat suit my employer recommends.

'Joe Rogan is an Idiot': Podcast Star's Use of Ivermectin to Treat COVID Condemned.."
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=joe+rogan...-covid-treatment-condemned-idiot-1625299&pn=1
So my question now is, where can I actually buy Ivermectin just in case? My sister is a vet, but also brainwashed and got the jab.

Most any pharmacy. You need a doctors percription and a non leftist pharmacy,

 

[DrHenley]

It's half the reason doctors charge so much for 5 minute "consultations" Supply and demand 101. The other part is the medical insurance rackets allowing YOU to charge so much for your services. You're just a drug dealer in a white smock.

In defense of DrJenner, this is not really something that applies to ICU doctors. They actually have to work hard for their money.
But true for many others. I made a scene in my doctor's accounting office over this. I figured out how much per hour he charged on the last "follow up" after some lab work. Basically the follow up was me coming in at my appointment time, waiting an hour, then the doctor looking at the test results for a couple of minutes and saying "Everything looks good." End of consult. They could have told me that on the phone. There was absolutely no reason to waste my time just to be told that, and then get charged a frickin $3200 an hour. They must have been charging me for the hour I spent in the waiting room. What really chapped my butt was that the insurance company didn't pay a cent on it for some reason. I'm seriously tempted to start calling him "Easy Money" to his face.

Ironically, now that I'm on Medicare, I won't ever have to pay a cent for routine tests or follow up again.

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

What medicine are you referring to? Ivermectin? It is approved and has been tested for use in humans.

Ivermectin is indeed approved by the FDA...for more than 20 years. A whopping 4.4 Billion doses have been given! It is on WHOs list of Essential Medications. The inventor of ivermectin received a Nobel Award!

“Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19”

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

So my question now is, where can I actually buy Ivermectin just in case? My sister is a vet, but also brainwashed and got the jab.

There are numerous sources on-line...

https://frontlinemedicaldoctors.com/
https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/
https://myfreedoctor.com/
https://drstellamd.com/
There are others too. These doctors won’t tell you that you don’t have choice in what goes into your body. They won’t spew on and on about how they want to have you on the “wrong end of an ET tube either! Or tell you how horrible you are for even thinking about asking for medical care if you haven’t had the untested jab!

They are all very reasonable in price and will allow you to purchase Ivermectin as well as Hydroxychloroquine in advance to use as a prophylaxis.

 

[DrJenner]

I said nothing about kickbacks, but thanks for raising the issue, we all know it goes on, even if it's just a free trip to Aspen for a "conference"
What I was referring to was the fact that your customers are addicted to the medications you deal, without those drugs you would basically be out of business. It's half the reason doctors charge so much for 5 minute "consultations" Supply and demand 101. The other part is the medical insurance rackets allowing YOU to charge so much for your services. You're just a drug dealer in a white smock.

You eluded to it with this comment:
"People need to stop thinking of doctors as altruistic saints and think of them as they generally are, professionals out to enrich themselves at the expense of those they serve."

Basically the same thing.

Let me tell you the medicines of the ICU:
Diuretics (furosemide, and in some cases bumex if you can't get your patient to pee)
IV fluids
vasopressors/inotropes: norepinephrine, vasopressin, epinephrine, dopamine, neosynephrine, dobutamine milirinone - (indicated for shock and to keep blood pressure up at normal levels)
bowel meds: miralax, docusate, senna
blood thinner - enoxaparin, heparin
sedation : propofol (or versed), fentanyl
antibiotics- varies depending on bug

That's pretty much about what we prescribe. I don't prescribe anything long term. I get people through the worst time in their lives, update families daily, and do the best I can for my patients, to keep them alive and get over whatever is ailing them.

So yes, if no one needed ICU care, I would not have a job. But that is not the case. Every hospital has an ICU. The billing is also out of our hands. We bill time spent, not RVU like I stated before.

 

[DrJenner]

Ivermectin is indeed approved by the FDA...for more than 20 years. A whopping 4.4 Billion doses have been given! It is on WHOs list of Essential Medications. The inventor of ivermectin received a Nobel Award!

“Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19”

it is NOT approved to treat covid-19 however.
It's an anti parastic. Not an anti viral.
Scientists looked at this as a re-purposing of sorts and are still researching it.

 

[DrJenner]

There is a small amount of research in the US on ivermectin and COVID-19...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32251768/
But thank God researchers in OTHER COUNTRIES are very interested in studying the effectiveness of ivermectin treatment for COVID-19...
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04646109?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=1https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34189446/https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04381884?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=2https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04405843?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=10https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04591600?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=8https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04391127?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=3&rank=12https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04343092?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=15https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04739410?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=13https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04407130?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=17https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04668469?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=18https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04529525?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=19https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04523831?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=21https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04425850?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=23https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04403555?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=28https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04784481?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=31https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04407507?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=37https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04390022?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=38https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04746365?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=40https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04832945?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=41https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04422561?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=42https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04701710?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=46https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04673214?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=48https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04434144?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=57https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04446104?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=63https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04425863?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19&draw=2&rank=64

Yep in other countries. But not much here and as it is not an approved treatment for COVID 19, rather an anti-parastic to treat animals (being looked at as EXPERIMENTAL and RE-PURPOSED- to treat COVID- my question remains doc -

When the treatment does not work and causes harm - who is on the hook for it? (In the USA)

 

[DrJenner]

In defense of DrJenner, this is not really something that applies to ICU doctors. They actually have to work hard for their money.
But true for many others. I made a scene in my doctor's accounting office over this. I figured out how much per hour he charged on the last "follow up" after some lab work. Basically the follow up was me coming in at my appointment time, waiting an hour, then the doctor looking at the test results for a couple of minutes and saying "Everything looks good." End of consult. They could have told me that on the phone. There was absolutely no reason to waste my time just to be told that, and then get charged a frickin $3200 an hour. They must have been charging me for the hour I spent in the waiting room. What really chapped my butt was that the insurance company didn't pay a cent on it for some reason. I'm seriously tempted to start calling him "Easy Money" to his face.

Ironically, now that I'm on Medicare, I won't ever have to pay a cent for routine tests or follow up again.

Thank you and yes I agree
Billing is ridiculous. I can tell you that as a provider we don't see all of it (hospital based).
The worst is the advanced practice providers (NPs and PAs) are under paid - the clinics get away with paying them little and charging 80% of what a physician makes. It's asinine.

 

[DrJenner]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33962573/
This is actually showing most promise, started early on in hospitalized patients. I hope we don't run out of this drug.

 

[M0del_31]

You eluded to it with this comment:
"People need to stop thinking of doctors as altruistic saints and think of them as they generally are, professionals out to enrich themselves at the expense of those they serve."

Basically the same thing.

Let me tell you the medicines of the ICU:
Diuretics (furosemide, and in some cases bumex if you can't get your patient to pee)
IV fluids
vasopressors/inotropes: norepinephrine, vasopressin, epinephrine, dopamine, neosynephrine, dobutamine milirinone - (indicated for shock and to keep blood pressure up at normal levels)
bowel meds: miralax, docusate, senna
blood thinner - enoxaparin, heparin
sedation : propofol (or versed), fentanyl
antibiotics- varies depending on bug

That's pretty much about what we prescribe. I don't prescribe anything long term. I get people through the worst time in their lives, update families daily, and do the best I can for my patients, to keep them alive and get over whatever is ailing them.

So yes, if no one needed ICU care, I would not have a job. But that is not the case. Every hospital has an ICU. The billing is also out of our hands. We bill time spent, not RVU like I stated before.

You might try coffee if you can't get a patient to pee...works great on me, though I shutter to think how much a cup of coffee would cost in the ICU.

 

[DrJenner]

You might try coffee if you can't get a patient to pee...works great on me, though I shutter to think how much a cup of coffee would cost in the ICU.

Lol usually our patients are unable to take anything by mouth as they are on a ventilator or so encephalopathic that they could aspirate on it.
Food/coffee - is all part of the general daily stay

What people should be pissed about is people on state insurance who go to the ER for tylenol so they don't have to pay for it. Its a huge bill for a $4 bottle of tylenol, courtesy of the tax payers
Something needs to change there.

 

[Proud Prepper]

it is NOT approved to treat covid-19 however.
It's an anti parastic. Not an anti viral.
Scientists looked at this as a re-purposing of sorts and are still researching it.

Its reletivly safe and stops the virus from proliferating. It works. The FDA is a fraudualnt criminal organization that's been bought by big Pharma.

 

[DrJenner]

There are numerous sources on-line...

https://frontlinemedicaldoctors.com/
https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/
https://myfreedoctor.com/
https://drstellamd.com/
There are others too. These doctors won’t tell you that you don’t have choice in what goes into your body. They won’t spew on and on about how they want to have you on the “wrong end of an ET tube either! Or tell you how horrible you are for even thinking about asking for medical care if you haven’t had the untested jab!

They are all very reasonable in price and will allow you to purchase Ivermectin as well as Hydroxychloroquine in advance to use as a prophylaxis.

Hey peachie - I saw on another post where you got roasted and people rushed to your defense.
you also said how you liked how people here on this forum are supportive and welcoming.
Maybe you should take your own advice and realize that when people have had a bad day from calling families, and seeing death - you should just chill out.

As my mother in law said - if you don't have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself.

 

[DrHenley]

Yep in other countries. But not much here and as it is not an approved treatment for COVID 19, rather an anti-parastic to treat animals (being looked at as EXPERIMENTAL and RE-PURPOSED- to treat COVID- my question remains doc -

When the treatment does not work and causes harm - who is on the hook for it? (In the USA)

Same as when someone misuses aspirin and causes harm. Aspirin can kill you. I am interested in what research is being conducted in various novel COVID treatments but if you will look at my posts, I have never advocated using prescription drugs without a doctor's prescription. Right now the only "experimental anti-COVID drug" I am taking is quercetin (it's not really a drug it's a bioflavanoid found in many fruits and vegetables), which is OTC and doesn't seem to have any known adverse side effects at the dosage I am taking.

 

[DrJenner]

Spent an hour with a pleasant 68 year old today. Just had hypertension.
Took ivermectin. not vaccinated
Has been in the hospital for 3 days.
Maxed out on oxygen.
pF ratio was 46 on 100% of oxygen - you can read about the significance of it here:
https://airwayjedi.com/2020/04/24/p-f-ratio-explained-monitoring-the-covid-19-patient/
we talked about next steps - and intubation and what that meant, his 30% chance to survive.
Told him we could also keep him on the high flow oxygen and continue treatment.
He and his daughter chose intubation and ICU admission.
I hope he makes it, such a nice guy and a nice daughter. He was sad he believed the hype about ivermectin and told me he wished he didn't believe facebook "doctors" as all he got for his trouble was some diarrhea.

 

[DrJenner]

Same as when someone misuses aspirin and causes harm. Aspirin can kill you. I am interested in what research is being conducted in various novel COVID treatments but if you will look at my posts, I have never advocated using prescription drugs without a doctor's prescription. Right now the only "experimental anti-COVID drug" I am taking is quercetin (it's not really a drug it's a bioflavanoid found in many fruits and vegetables), which is OTC and doesn't seem to have any known adverse side effects at the dosage I am taking.

I have appreciated your posts and insight and thoughtful information. I know you haven't advocated use without a prescription. And agree, salicylate poisoning is real - I have taken care of people with this that needed emergent dialysis.

I've heard about quercetin but not done much reading or research about it. What is the mechanism of action?

 

[DrHenley]

I've heard about quercetin but not done much reading or research about it. What is the mechanism of action?

The thing that interests me is that it is a zinc ionophore, so it gets zinc across the cell membrane into the cells.
https://gilbertlab.com/neutraceuticals/quercetin/antiviral-effects-of-quercetin-zinc-ionophore/

 

[DrJenner]

The thing that interests me is that it is a zinc ionophore, so it gets zinc across the cell membrane into the cells.
https://gilbertlab.com/neutraceuticals/quercetin/antiviral-effects-of-quercetin-zinc-ionophore/

That is very interesting.
I would definitely take this over ivermectin any day.
The anti-inflammatory properties are key as it's the inflammation and cytokine storm that is the most harmful with COVID 19. We can get people through the acute viral phase (and have gotten good at that) - its the long term damage from ARDS and the lung fibrosis that is the killer.

I guess what my concern would be is viral load - with Delta it is so much more and why we are seeing these raging infections, especially in younger patients. How would it fare against that? I would imagine as a prophylactic med it would be helpful in mitigating some of the damage, but with the increased viral load, could it stand a chance?...

 

[M0del_31]

The guy I work with was given a prescription for ivermectin. He was tested the first day of symptoms with a negative result. Tested again on the second day of symptoms with a positive result and was then given a z pack and ivermectin. This was administered about as early as can be possible. After a week, he and his wife were given an antibody infusion since neither had really turned the corner until then.
He and I have been objectively discussing the virus and vaccines since each became a thing, both concerned with potential short term acute effects of the virus and longer term possible diseases from an untested vaccine. I got the jab 3 weeks ago and told him then. He says he wishes he had done the same. Those are the facts of this one case. Ivermectin may be helpful but it is not magic juice.