Covid inconveniences

[MOS0231]

Walmart and Disney now requiring all employees to get the vaccine. I know it’s not a popular sentiment here but I think it’s smart. If your in a job that’s in contact with the public you should take as many precautions as you can. This vaccine isnt the evil demon so many here seem to think and has the science from millions of people getting it that it saves lives.

I want to see real, long term data/studies before making any judgments if the vaccine is effective or not.
Based off the current data, those who get it have a 99.7% survival rate.
The Great Barrington Declaration had the right idea concerning protecting the vulnerable (elderly, pre-existing condidtions, etc.).
All the computer models and predictions were fantastically wrong, thankfully.
But we still have the so-called experts whom have flip-flopped numerous times, acting as if those predictions were correct.
Now, if in 6 months COVID mutates into something with a much higher mortality rate across all age groups than what we are currently seeing, then we should reassess.
But we are not seeing that now.

 

[Brent S]

I want to see real, long term data/studies before making any judgments if the vaccine is effective or not.
Based off the current data, those who get it have a 99.7% survival rate.
The Great Barrington Declaration had the right idea concerning protecting the vulnerable (elderly, pre-existing condidtions, etc.).
All the computer models and predictions were fantastically wrong, thankfully.
But we still have the so-called experts whom have flip-flopped numerous times, acting as if those predictions were correct.
Now, if in 6 months COVID mutates into something with a much higher mortality rate across all age groups than what we are currently seeing, then we should reassess.
But we are not seeing that now.

I agree with a lot of what your saying. I have read it’s closer to 97.6% but every study says something different. The only thing I feel though is with so many unvaccinated the virus is still thriving and has a greater chance to mutate vs if we were all vaccinated would it wipe out the virus. I’m not sure, and don’t believe any knows for certain, if the virus would be just as likely to continue mutations even if we were all vaccinated. We are all learning about this as we go and science will too. I am sure your own protection is boosted by being vaccinated though. That was good enough for my personal choice.

 

[Proud Prepper]

Walmart and Disney now requiring all employees to get the vaccine. I know it’s not a popular sentiment here but I think it’s smart. If your in a job that’s in contact with the public you should take as many precautions as you can. This vaccine isnt the evil demon so many here seem to think and has the science from millions of people getting it that it saves lives.

Theres more evidence and science very day that's showing your beliefs are Wrong!

 

[bigpaul]

if I trusted the "vaccine" I would have it, but I dont and I dont think its a vaccine but an experiment that could go seriously wrong further down the line.
anyway its my body and I and only I will decide what goes in it.

 

[Brent S]

Theres more evidence and science very day that's showing your beliefs are Wrong!

And there are more stories written by so called experts each day that don’t know anything about it. Only time will tell for sure. History always has 20/20 vision. I do believe in the majority consensus of science though. Right now it shows the vaccine is safer than the virus by far, at least for older or weaker people. I can’t argue that down the road that’s not going to change though.

 

[MOS0231]

I agree with a lot of what your saying. I have read it’s closer to 97.6% but every study says something different. The only thing I feel though is with so many unvaccinated the virus is still thriving and has a greater chance to mutate vs if we were all vaccinated would it wipe out the virus. I’m not sure, and don’t believe any knows for certain, if the virus would be just as likely to continue mutations even if we were all vaccinated. We are all learning about this as we go and science will too. I am sure your own protection is boosted by being vaccinated though. That was good enough for my personal choice.

Based off reporting coming out of Israel and the UK, and some reports here in the US, those who have been fully vaccinated and still got ill with COVID just as likely are providing the virus a chance to mutate. We do not know enough about both the virus and the vaccines to say much of anything without further research and studies.
We are not ever going to wipe out the virus. It is endemic now. Like the flu.

 

[bigpaul]

Covid will become seasonal like the flu.

 

[Proud Prepper]

Based off reporting coming out of Israel and the UK, and some reports here in the US, those who have been fully vaccinated and still got ill with COVID just as likely are providing the virus a chance to mutate. We do not know enough about both the virus and the vaccines to say much of anything without further research and studies.
We are not ever going to wipe out the virus. It is endemic now. Like the flu.

We do know enough about the virus and the non vaccines called vaccines. It's been suppressed. The truth is ignored and the false narrative continues with some flip flopping occurring. However some of the truth can no longer be contained and it's being admitted to, but heavily spun to continue the false narrative.

 

[Brent S]

Based off reporting coming out of Israel and the UK, and some reports here in the US, those who have been fully vaccinated and still got ill with COVID just as likely are providing the virus a chance to mutate. We do not know enough about both the virus and the vaccines to say much of anything without further research and studies.
We are not ever going to wipe out the virus. It is endemic now. Like the flu.

I agree it is here to stay. But once herd immunity is reached hopefully it won’t be worse than the flu. With it being a new enemy to our immune systems it was more powerful. I am certain of only one thing for now though. This thing isn’t done interfering with our lives yet. I just hope it doesn't get stronger

 

[bigpaul]

any immunity given by the so called vaccines is liable to be short lived, thats why there is now talk of "booster jabs".

 

[Brent S]

any immunity given by the so called vaccines is liable to be short lived, thats why there is now talk of "booster jabs".

You may be right. It seems like at least one vaccine has lost about 15% effectiveness in 6 months.

 

[MOS0231]

I agree it is here to stay. But once herd immunity is reached hopefully it won’t be worse than the flu. With it being a new enemy to our immune systems it was more powerful. I am certain of only one thing for now though. This thing isn’t done interfering with our lives yet. I just hope it doesn't get stronger

But is it not interesting how little we hear about herd immunity in the news?
And if those who are not vaccinated, get the Delta variant and recover (note how little we hear about actual death numbers in the news) then they have immunity.
So, what is the problem?
I was listening to NPR the other day (yes, I know, but in order to understand . . . them, you have to listen to their propaganda) and in a hour long conversation, they mentioned herd immunity once and then very quickly pressed on.

 

[Brent S]

But is it not interesting how little we hear about herd immunity in the news?
And if those who are not vaccinated, get the Delta variant and recover (note how little we hear about actual death numbers in the news) then they have immunity.
So, what is the problem?
I was listening to NPR the other day (yes, I know, but in order to understand . . . them, you have to listen to their propaganda) and in a hour long conversation, they mentioned herd immunity once and then very quickly pressed on.

I am disturbed by no one actually reporting real numbers on deaths and hospitalization. I keep hearing they are both up Exponentially, but if there were ten cases and 5 new ones that’s a 50% increase but is still a low number hardly worth a panic over. I don’t doubt people are suffering and dying, but I want real data and not generalizations.

 

[MOS0231]

I am disturbed by no one actually reporting real numbers on deaths and hospitalization. I keep hearing they are both up Exponentially, but if there were ten cases and 5 new ones that’s a 50% increase but is still a low number hardly worth a panic over. I don’t doubt people are suffering and dying, but I want real data and not generalizations.

THAT! RIGHT! THERE!
Same NPR program I was listening to (and both top and bottom of the hour news), only stated %.
No numbers.

And they wonder why people are questioning the narrative.

 

[ban1985]

@Brent S

Look at the example of Gibraltar, there all are vaccinated, statistically even 106% of the population including the people who work there.
BUT Corona is not gone and there are hospitalizations by the dozen, I tell you Brent, even if 100% of the population in the US were vaccinated, Corona would still be your "best" companion, the governments would just end up dodging it and saying you have to vaccinate yourself every 3 months with other revised vaccines and wear a mask for the rest of your life, very nice future prospects.

As for herd immunity, stop with the crap, we were lied too, first it said all old people, a good 30% of them died after vaccination, then it said 45%, then 65%, now it heist from our government 85%.
Sorry that is totally unbelievable and aims only at the desired quota is not achieved and that the government can again introduce tough measures.

Corona is not the big problem, our problem are the governments and the media that only make panic, destroy jobs and drive people to ruin and people to madness.

 

[Arcticdude]

Some people still seem to think this "pandemic" lock downs, mask mandates and "vaccines" are all about our protection and safety. Bullshyt. Its about more government control over our lives, forced submission, government take over of our economy, and payoffs to the pharmaceutical industry. It has nothing to do with our health. I think that most reasoning people realize this by now. Unfortunately our country is full of ignorant sheep who won't question any of this BS. They'll just bend over and take anything the government demands of them.

 

[Brent S]

@Brent S

Look at the example of Gibraltar, there all are vaccinated, statistically even 106% of the population including the people who work there.
BUT Corona is not gone and there are hospitalizations by the dozen, I tell you Brent, even if 100% of the population in the US were vaccinated, Corona would still be your "best" companion, the governments would just end up dodging it and saying you have to vaccinate yourself every 3 months with other revised vaccines and wear a mask for the rest of your life, very nice future prospects.

As for herd immunity, stop with the crap, we were lied too, first it said all old people, a good 30% of them died after vaccination, then it said 45%, then 65%, now it heist from our government 85%.
Sorry that is totally unbelievable and aims only at the desired quota is not achieved and that the government can again introduce tough measures.

Corona is not the big problem, our problem are the governments and the media that only make panic, destroy jobs and drive people to ruin and people to madness.

How did you come to the conclusion that 30% of old people died after vaccinations…..

 

[ban1985]

I know 3 employees who work in different old people's homes, all of them say that the great death only began after the vaccination, in each home around a quarter of the people died within a few weeks, and there were also people who were very vigorous. Personally, I read there in the newspaper, a lot of obituaries from old people, more than usual, and what was really embarrassing, even people who suffered from a lot of previous illnesses "only" died of Coprona. I know a case in which a hospital asked the relatives whether they could declare the dead person to be a corona dead because they would receive a $ 300 premium from the canton, that's no joke. The relatives refused and say the deceased would have only had two weeks to live without Corona either way.

If someone was straying from previous illnesses and had Corona by chance, he was listed by the authorities as a corona dead, an autopsy was rejected in any case, if 8 people died in a nursing home after the vaccination campaign within two weeks, in all cases an autopsy was carried out by the authority refused and said that they all died because of previous illnesses. These are not isolated cases in Europe because it always works like that.

 

[Illini Warrior]

HUGE chip toward a FED vs State confrontation was just anted up in the ongoing poker game ....

TX Gov Abbott ordered any vehicles with Covid illegals to be stopped & turned back - sued by Biden & Company >>> next comes the stand off somewhere in TX on some road wayside in the near future ...

Biden will undoubtedly order the FED escorting of the convoys of illegals by either FED law or military >>> will they fire on TX State Police???

 

[Mountain Dragon]

Just wonder how deadly and dangerous this virus really is if the states and healt care are closing down hospitals during an pandemic situation and cry in the same time there will not enough capacities in hospitals....