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Another Mass Shooting
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Danil54grl
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The grandfather was a felon and not supposed to be living in a house with guns. Said he didn’t know about them or would have turned his grandson in. Grandfather said he never saw any violent acts from his grandson but kids at school says he was known to pick fights. His social media had pics of guns and animal cruelty pics apparently. This is a good article but I couldn’t play any of the videos.
https://abc7.com/elementary-school-shooting-texas-shooter-salvador-ramos-uvalde-tx/11893076/
https://abc7.com/elementary-school-shooting-texas-shooter-salvador-ramos-uvalde-tx/11893076/
The childrens deaths should be the center of our attention and not the guns, their source, caliber or the sicko who used them. The names and faces of the children should be placed first to get the hearts of the people to cry for them and hate the sicko who killed them and the guns are NOT the center of attention. We are humans and not machines who, only like a computer, spit out the same sick info or propaganda which was put into it.
Well I want to know who Facebook called after the first post where he said he was going to kill his grandmother. Perhaps if FB spent less time banning conservatives and less time pushing deep state propaganda, maybe they’d have more time to report psycho terror threats to police, perhaps work with police and forward gps location info to police once a threat has been broadcast to the planet. How about this guys FB friends? Who did they call about his first threat?
Danil54grl
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What I am not understanding is how could these grandparents not know what is in their own home? And how did they not know what this kid was posting on his social media accounts? Did the school, which I realize he rarely attended, not inform his grandparents about his behavior towards other student? Why was an entrance unlocked at the school? Why was the classroom unlocked? I have so many questions. There should have been safety protocols in place that all schools, at least here in Texas are supposed to be following. That means all doors are locked once school is in session including classrooms. If you go to the school, there is someone over an intercom ask you who you are and what business you have to be there; before you are either buzzed in or let in by a security guard. This should not have happened at all!!
We’ll never see the interior of this school but most classroom doors have a unfortified single pane glass window so the classroom can have some type of observation from the outside. Breaking glass is easy and the lock is almost always accessible by snaking an arm in from the outside once the glass is gone. Usually breaching the main entrance is too much harder. There are bullet resistant films which can retrofit these doors into something that can slow down a psycho. This buys critical time to execute a building lock down.
Make no mistake, the fault lies with the man that pulled the trigger. The police were apparently after him for something. I hate to say it but if he simply walked in through an unlocked back door then the school was negligent. Going forward anytime police pursue a “subject” within a mile of school, the dispatcher should notify the school so they can go into lock down. At 60mph, that gives the school 60 seconds to secure classroom doors before the perp can begin to breach from the outside.
I cannot say if this school had a guardian program but since the perp got past an armed guard, I’ll guess probably not. If what the governor said is true and if the perp walked in through an unlocked door, the staff would not have had time to react...guardian or not if your first clue is a rifle barrel coming through the door, then you’ve already lost. Leaving a door open is about the same as trying to fight with your jeans pulled down to your knees. Sixty seconds and a hardened exterior with secure doors would have resulted in a different outcome.
“It won’t happen here today” doesn’t work anymore.
Make no mistake, the fault lies with the man that pulled the trigger. The police were apparently after him for something. I hate to say it but if he simply walked in through an unlocked back door then the school was negligent. Going forward anytime police pursue a “subject” within a mile of school, the dispatcher should notify the school so they can go into lock down. At 60mph, that gives the school 60 seconds to secure classroom doors before the perp can begin to breach from the outside.
I cannot say if this school had a guardian program but since the perp got past an armed guard, I’ll guess probably not. If what the governor said is true and if the perp walked in through an unlocked door, the staff would not have had time to react...guardian or not if your first clue is a rifle barrel coming through the door, then you’ve already lost. Leaving a door open is about the same as trying to fight with your jeans pulled down to your knees. Sixty seconds and a hardened exterior with secure doors would have resulted in a different outcome.
“It won’t happen here today” doesn’t work anymore.
So the police just stood around while the parents begged them to go into the school. Even detained a parent who was trying to get inside.
Oddcaliber
A True Doomsday Prepper
Just like the shooting in Florida. No surprise there.
Sickest of the SICKOS HAS SPOKEN:
https://100percentfedup.com/as-the-...s-we-turn-our-attention-back-to-george-floyd/
https://100percentfedup.com/as-the-...s-we-turn-our-attention-back-to-george-floyd/
Oddcaliber
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I'd post what I really think but this is a family forum.
andrewOz
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I disagree.
Too many times I have seen:
a) useless (and sometimes "chicken-shit") cops who consider themselves "law enforcement officers" who do not give a damn about increasing public safety or minimizing threats to it, or
b) useless cops who kill or maim pets and (usually unarmed) people instead of resolving real threats, contrasted with armed public who are rarely shoot the wrong person and are quite often very effective at eliminating threats.
The most recent event was disgusting, where cops were doing nothing for tens of minutes, were intimidating parents who wanted to do something. There is even a photo of one asshole cop with a taser in his hand threatening parents.
I don't care what their (idiotic) orders were: every cop who hung around outside the school or went in just to rescue their own child instead of going after the threat should named and fired . . . and the same should be done to anyone who ordered them to not do anything.
The courts have said police do not have a duty to protect the public. That's fine. Then fire the bastards; all of them.
Then create a department which DOES have a duty to protect the public.
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Update:
It appears the local police even delayed the entrance of the specialist Border Patrol team from entering.
It appears some criminal law suits are in order against the police department for criminal negligence.
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andrewOz
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I like the idea of "gun free zones". I don't think the government should give many things away free . . . but if they are going to give away anything, it should be guns. ((-:
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QAnon John 
@QAnon_John
14h·
If there is one thing that the architects of the NWO in our government know VERY well, it’s that an armed citizenry is [their] NUMBER ONE obstacle that stands between a total takeover of the US.
It’s ALL about the gun grab.
If that doesn’t happen, [they] do NOT stand a chance.
HOLD. THE. LINE.
@QAnon_John14h·
If there is one thing that the architects of the NWO in our government know VERY well, it’s that an armed citizenry is [their] NUMBER ONE obstacle that stands between a total takeover of the US.
It’s ALL about the gun grab.
If that doesn’t happen, [they] do NOT stand a chance.
HOLD. THE. LINE.
Cynthia Holt 
@Cynthia_Holt
7h·
Mao Zedong banned guns, then he killed 49,000,000 people.
Something to keep in mind.
@Cynthia_Holt7h·
Mao Zedong banned guns, then he killed 49,000,000 people.
Something to keep in mind.
“Woman armed with pistol killed man who fired rifle into crowd during party, police say
CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A woman in West Virginia fatally shot a man who began firing an AR-15-style rifle into a crowd of people that had gathered for a party, authorities said.
Dennis Butler, 37, was killed Wednesday night after he pulled out the rifle and began shooting at dozens of people attending the birthday-graduation party outside an apartment complex in the city of Charleston, police said in a statement.
The woman, who was attending the party, drew a pistol and fired, killing Butler, the statement said. No one at the party was injured.
“Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives last night,” Chief of Detectives Tony Hazelett told news outlets Thursday…”
CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A woman in West Virginia fatally shot a man who began firing an AR-15-style rifle into a crowd of people that had gathered for a party, authorities said.
Dennis Butler, 37, was killed Wednesday night after he pulled out the rifle and began shooting at dozens of people attending the birthday-graduation party outside an apartment complex in the city of Charleston, police said in a statement.
The woman, who was attending the party, drew a pistol and fired, killing Butler, the statement said. No one at the party was injured.
“Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives last night,” Chief of Detectives Tony Hazelett told news outlets Thursday…”
rainingcatzanddogs
A True Doomsday Prepper
My youngest graduated HS here in Texas yesterday. The stadium where it was held was a gun free zone. There was however, a significant LOCAL police presence, especially outside after the ceremony. They were traveling in groups of four or five through the crowds.
What doesn't make sense to me is the thought of maintaining a lockdown once an active shooter is IN THE SCHOOL!!!
Texas school shooting: Cops handcuffed mom before she ran in to get her kids (nypost.com)
MOM was able to get her kids the hell out of there when the police couldn't/wouldn't?
Soooo much went wrong in this instance.
What doesn't make sense to me is the thought of maintaining a lockdown once an active shooter is IN THE SCHOOL!!!
Texas school shooting: Cops handcuffed mom before she ran in to get her kids (nypost.com)
MOM was able to get her kids the hell out of there when the police couldn't/wouldn't?
Soooo much went wrong in this instance.
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Buttoni
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Many feel the Texas 
ing (and so many of the other school/church shootings) was an alphabet agency operation (myself included): Former NYPD Commissioner Bombshell: Texas School Massacre Was a Deep State Operation - News Punch
Ever notice they always seem to occur when they want to push their gun control legislation? They have to take the guns away from the citizens before they can make their final move on the nation. I also notice these gunmen seem to be all of a certain age group, similar mental profile, so they are hand-picked and well-groomed for the 'job': Feds “Regularly Communicated” with Buffalo Gunman in Private Discord Chatroom - News Punch
And I'll thow this out there on the subject: LET Executive Director: Here's who's really responsible for the Texas school massacre (and all of the others)
ing (and so many of the other school/church shootings) was an alphabet agency operation (myself included): Former NYPD Commissioner Bombshell: Texas School Massacre Was a Deep State Operation - News PunchEver notice they always seem to occur when they want to push their gun control legislation? They have to take the guns away from the citizens before they can make their final move on the nation. I also notice these gunmen seem to be all of a certain age group, similar mental profile, so they are hand-picked and well-groomed for the 'job': Feds “Regularly Communicated” with Buffalo Gunman in Private Discord Chatroom - News Punch
And I'll thow this out there on the subject: LET Executive Director: Here's who's really responsible for the Texas school massacre (and all of the others)
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rainingcatzanddogs
A True Doomsday Prepper
Perhaps this is why things went sideways? DHS was first on the scene NOT the local cops who in a town of less than 16,000 would have known the school layout as well as many of the parents, teachers and children. The Feds would have taken over immediately.
"Under federal regulations, Customs and Border Protection, Border Patrol’s parent agency, can operate within 100 miles of the border without special permission. As the largest law enforcement agency in the country with its 60,000 employees, it can often offer resources that local entities cannot or are too overwhelmed to provide themselves.
CBP maintains a station in Uvalde, responsible for 3,000 square miles in the area. It has a permanent checkpoint in the town for automotive traffic, and also assists with train and freight operations. A tactical team known as BORTAC was the first to arrive on the scene and, while the final details are still hazy, appeared to kill the shooter. One agent from that team was wounded as a bullet grazed his head and another struck his leg, but he has since been released from the hospital.
“They have the authority under federal law to protect those communities, and that's exactly what happened,” said Larry Cosme, a former long-time officer at Immigration and Customs Enforcement and current president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association. "
THIS WAS just F*ed up in so many ways...if I had been a teacher, rules or not, I would be shoving kids out windows or taking them to exits...anything to get them out of the obviously unsecured building.
Once a security perimeter has been breeched, procedures must adapt!
I know it is easy to sit and "woulda-shoulda-coulda" after the fact but, sometimes rules and procedures can make a bad situation worse and people need to know when to break them.
"Under federal regulations, Customs and Border Protection, Border Patrol’s parent agency, can operate within 100 miles of the border without special permission. As the largest law enforcement agency in the country with its 60,000 employees, it can often offer resources that local entities cannot or are too overwhelmed to provide themselves.
CBP maintains a station in Uvalde, responsible for 3,000 square miles in the area. It has a permanent checkpoint in the town for automotive traffic, and also assists with train and freight operations. A tactical team known as BORTAC was the first to arrive on the scene and, while the final details are still hazy, appeared to kill the shooter. One agent from that team was wounded as a bullet grazed his head and another struck his leg, but he has since been released from the hospital.
“They have the authority under federal law to protect those communities, and that's exactly what happened,” said Larry Cosme, a former long-time officer at Immigration and Customs Enforcement and current president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association. "
THIS WAS just F*ed up in so many ways...if I had been a teacher, rules or not, I would be shoving kids out windows or taking them to exits...anything to get them out of the obviously unsecured building.
Once a security perimeter has been breeched, procedures must adapt!
I know it is easy to sit and "woulda-shoulda-coulda" after the fact but, sometimes rules and procedures can make a bad situation worse and people need to know when to break them.
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rainingcatzanddogs
A True Doomsday Prepper
Now that I have taken a couple of breaths and had a good emotional rant, here is a reasoned thought.
What we have here is a kid who was probably bullied and made fun of as a young child. Maybe he truly always felt like he was born the wrong gender (IMO there are people who are born wired that way, though not in the numbers we currently are experiencing) and being effeminate looking was harassed.
Probably didn’t have many real friends in a small-ish town, anonymity is often a luxury. All of the people he considered “friends” were on social media and he had never met them.
It sounds like his family life wasn’t exactly all that great…grandfather was a Felon and mother seems like she was emotionally distant.
This incident highlights not guns, mental illness or even Federal government incompetency…it highlights the importance of the family!
A lot of us got bullied in school. I was a tom-boy and played football with the boys instead of jump rope with the girls (though I could do that too). I was tall (when I was younger) and skinny and my mother made me wear my hair short; a late bloomer.
But, you know, when I came home, it was a refuge, a safe place, a place where I was loved and told I could be whatever I wanted to be because I was driven and smart and had God given talents.
Sometimes I didn’t like the rules. Sometimes, I felt like I wasn’t good enough. My parents weren’t perfect. Who’s are? But, I always knew, no matter what I was or what I did, I would be loved. (they might not always like what I did or approved of choices I made but, still loved me).
How many children these days have that? I wasn't shuffled between homes. I didn't have a sperm donor for a father. They might not have been "in love" with each other anymore but, they stuck it out for my brother and I and made it work (my father was killed when I was 17). They did not argue in our presence or say derogatory things to us about each other. Their number one responsibility was not to their egos but, to us. I had Aunts and Uncles and cousins that interacted with me. I spent time with my only surviving grandparent, learning from her. I spent time with my father learning from him and time with my mother learning from her. Family, not peers was my main environment.
THE FAMILY UNIT IS WHAT MAKES MOST OF US STAY SANE!!!! Family is where we first learn to work out differences and disagreements with other people. Family is where we first learn to deal with emotions and can honestly vent. Family is the first place we turn to for help when we are getting overwhelmed.
Family is the first place we learn to love and to be loved.
It is, and has been under attack now by liberal/Communist/Socialist ideas for at least three generations….
IMO THAT is the ROOT cause of many of these kinds of tragedies…not guns, not mental illness! The breakdown of the family, the negation of responsibilities and self sacrifices that come with being a parent is the poison we have all been given.
What we have here is a kid who was probably bullied and made fun of as a young child. Maybe he truly always felt like he was born the wrong gender (IMO there are people who are born wired that way, though not in the numbers we currently are experiencing) and being effeminate looking was harassed.
Probably didn’t have many real friends in a small-ish town, anonymity is often a luxury. All of the people he considered “friends” were on social media and he had never met them.
It sounds like his family life wasn’t exactly all that great…grandfather was a Felon and mother seems like she was emotionally distant.
This incident highlights not guns, mental illness or even Federal government incompetency…it highlights the importance of the family!
A lot of us got bullied in school. I was a tom-boy and played football with the boys instead of jump rope with the girls (though I could do that too). I was tall (when I was younger) and skinny and my mother made me wear my hair short; a late bloomer.
But, you know, when I came home, it was a refuge, a safe place, a place where I was loved and told I could be whatever I wanted to be because I was driven and smart and had God given talents.
Sometimes I didn’t like the rules. Sometimes, I felt like I wasn’t good enough. My parents weren’t perfect. Who’s are? But, I always knew, no matter what I was or what I did, I would be loved. (they might not always like what I did or approved of choices I made but, still loved me).
How many children these days have that? I wasn't shuffled between homes. I didn't have a sperm donor for a father. They might not have been "in love" with each other anymore but, they stuck it out for my brother and I and made it work (my father was killed when I was 17). They did not argue in our presence or say derogatory things to us about each other. Their number one responsibility was not to their egos but, to us. I had Aunts and Uncles and cousins that interacted with me. I spent time with my only surviving grandparent, learning from her. I spent time with my father learning from him and time with my mother learning from her. Family, not peers was my main environment.
THE FAMILY UNIT IS WHAT MAKES MOST OF US STAY SANE!!!! Family is where we first learn to work out differences and disagreements with other people. Family is where we first learn to deal with emotions and can honestly vent. Family is the first place we turn to for help when we are getting overwhelmed.
Family is the first place we learn to love and to be loved.
It is, and has been under attack now by liberal/Communist/Socialist ideas for at least three generations….
IMO THAT is the ROOT cause of many of these kinds of tragedies…not guns, not mental illness! The breakdown of the family, the negation of responsibilities and self sacrifices that come with being a parent is the poison we have all been given.
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Something STINKS with this whole thing!
This guys was arrested for threatening to kill fellow students a few years ago.
Where did a poor young man get all the money for a $78,000 truck? Or his $5,000 worth of weapons? Or his body armor and 350 shells??
How was he even able to buy the weapons??? He has a record!
Who told the police to stand down for nearly an hour??
This guy shot up a funeral home across the street before going to the school, where he shot his weapon for 12 freaking minutes before going in!!! Where were the police???
This guys was arrested for threatening to kill fellow students a few years ago.
Where did a poor young man get all the money for a $78,000 truck? Or his $5,000 worth of weapons? Or his body armor and 350 shells??
How was he even able to buy the weapons??? He has a record!
Who told the police to stand down for nearly an hour??
This guy shot up a funeral home across the street before going to the school, where he shot his weapon for 12 freaking minutes before going in!!! Where were the police???
