The Net-Zero Narrative Is Riddled With Holes

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The only thing which is going to bring civilization off petroleum products is nuclear energy. If fission is rejected by the Left, then, eventually, fusion will fill that hole. Since there is no real pollution from fusion, the Left will have run out of excuses.
 

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eventually, fusion will fill that hole. Since there is no real pollution from fusion
Fusion is a star trek dream they have been pursuing since the dawn of the nuclear age and are still no closer to. The fact that they waste a billion dollars a year in research means nothing. It's a gravy train, like the cure for cancer
 

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For the sake of argument, lets say we all decide to go down the New Green Deal path.
One thing I never hear people like AOC talk about is reduction of the "individual" carbon footprint.
Say in order to meet net-zero carbon emissions, we would have to reduce our driving to 20 miles a week.
Our screen time to 1 hour a day (the IT industry consumes as much energy as the airline industry does world wide in a year, and it is getting bigger).
The average home size has to be reduced to 1,300sqft.
The thermostat turned up to 78 degrees in the summer, and 62 degrees in the winter.

Would people like AOC be willing to do it?
The average American?
 

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For the sake of argument, lets say we all decide to go down the New Green Deal path.
One thing I never hear people like AOC talk about is reduction of the "individual" carbon footprint.
Say in order to meet net-zero carbon emissions, we would have to reduce our driving to 20 miles a week.
Our screen time to 1 hour a day (the IT industry consumes as much energy as the airline industry does world wide in a year, and it is getting bigger).
The average home size has to be reduced to 1,300sqft.
The thermostat turned up to 78 degrees in the summer, and 62 degrees in the winter.

Would people like AOC be willing to do it?
The average American?
When calculating for your solar power needs you quickly learn that it is a lot easier to reduce your need for energy than it is to produce more energy. Or at least it’s a lot cheaper. I am pretty conscious of the energy consumption compared to most but everyone could make more cuts if they look at it. Clean Energy production will improve over time but like any technology it takes time to be developed. Oil will still be used for a while yet but I am glad enough have the forsite to begin looking for answers and alternatives.
 

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Say in order to meet net-zero carbon emissions, we would have to reduce our driving to 20 miles a week.
Our screen time to 1 hour a day (the IT industry consumes as much energy as the airline industry does world wide in a year, and it is getting bigger).
The average home size has to be reduced to 1,300sqft.
The thermostat turned up to 78 degrees in the summer, and 62 degrees in the winter.
Or you can just plant some trees. That's how I am carbon NEGATIVE. More carbon is sequestered by the trees, than I produce.
It's certified. I get paid carbon credits.
 

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When calculating for your solar power needs you quickly learn that it is a lot easier to reduce your need for energy than it is to produce more energy. Or at least it’s a lot cheaper. I am pretty conscious of the energy consumption compared to most but everyone could make more cuts if they look at it. Clean Energy production will improve over time but like any technology it takes time to be developed. Oil will still be used for a while yet but I am glad enough have the forsite to begin looking for answers and alternatives.
I agree.
But again, your average American is not willing to cut back on their carbon foot print. People call 911 when they cannot get to their Fakebook page.

Recall the climate change summit a few years ago? Prince Harry, Orlando Bloom, Katy Perry, and a whole bunch of others attending by way of their private jets, private mega-yachts, hotel rooms as big as my first floor.
Think you can get the Oprahs, Zukerburgers, Jay-Los, Clooneys of the world to give up their multiple mansions in various places across the world, for one 1,300sqft home? Private jets? 120ft+ yachts?
Or get Big Tech to scale back on their energy consumption?
 

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I don't worry what other people do. I do my part, it isn't always easy, and I take advantage of others unwillingness to lessen in order to lessen my footprint. I'm not perfect. I do believe that we are damaging our planet, maybe not as horrible as others make it out, maybe worse than can be seen. I do ask others to give it a shot. Big change is hard and someone will always suffer. Just ask anyone having the early Europeans paying them a visit.
 

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I dont give a crap about any of this carbon footprint BS. Global climate change is real, we all know that. Its been going on since the beginning of time. We also know that Man caused climate change is a scam designed to fool the ignorant and foolish. Oil and gas will be around for a long time. When theres a real need for a replacement someone will come up with a new idea.
I’ve always challenged the anti oil people to name any product that does not use oil in its manufacture, production or transportation. So far nobody has mentioned a single product.
Without oil and gas we'd soon be living in caves and grass huts.
I probably have a much smaller carbon footprint than most have, not out of some hippy or socialist pipe dream, but because of the way we choose to live and necessity. Solar provides 100% percent of our electrical needs, we have a lot of timber, which is supposed to soak up carbon or something silly.
We're already blessed with an abundant energy source. Why fight it? Just try living without oil and gas.
 

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I dont give a crap about any of this carbon footprint BS. Global climate change is real, we all know that. Its been going on since the beginning of time. We also know that Man caused climate change is a scam designed to fool the ignorant and foolish. Oil and gas will be around for a long time. When theres a real need for a replacement someone will come up with a new idea.
I’ve always challenged the anti oil people to name any product that does not use oil in its manufacture, production or transportation. So far nobody has mentioned a single product.
Without oil and gas we'd soon be living in caves and grass huts.
We're already blessed with an abundant energy source. Why fight it? Just try living without oil and gas.
if I didnt know better I would be convinced that statement came from some Sheeple.
we lived for centuries without oil and gas they havent been around for that long, I can remember a time before we had all this plastic junk and the world was a much tidier and cleaner place, so not everything modern is that wonderful.
but what all this oil and gas and plastics has done is to make the world a much more crowded place and that is a big problem, no doubt climate change will sort that out for us, mother nature will come back and bite us in the arse for being so contemptuous thats for sure.
I have lived without oil and gas, its no big deal, and I wasnt living in a cave or a grass hut, incidentally Ancient Britons lived in round houses made from natural materials found locally to where they were living and they were strong and substancial.
 
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if I didnt know better I would be convinced that statement came from some Sheeple.
we lived for centuries without oil and gas they havent been around for that long, I can remember a time before we had all this plastic junk and the world was a much tidier and cleaner place, so not everything modern is that wonderful.
but what all this oil and gas and plastics has done is to make the world a much more crowded place and that is a big problem, no doubt climate change will sort that out for us, mother nature will come back and bite us in the arse for being so contemptuous thats for sure.
I have lived without oil and gas, its no big deal, and I wasnt living in a cave or a grass hut, incidentally Ancient Britons lived in round houses made from natural materials found locally to where they were living and they were strong and substancial.
Oil has been use for thousands of years by many people. In many places oil seeped to the surface, and still does today. Eskimos used oil for their lighting when they could find it.
For a long time whales were used for oil products and lubrication on machinery. Personally I think we should go back to whaling.
Coal was used for manufacturing steel and for forging.
Good or bad, oil has allowed us to enjoy the high standard of living, and the high population that we have today. Again, there is nothing that is produced today that doesn't have oil in the process. Medicine to fertilizer use oil. Every piece of equipment, from shovels to automobiles, even EV's and solar panels all use oil. Unless we went back to a population of the middle ages, oil is here to stay.
 

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I don't worry what other people do. I do my part, it isn't always easy, and I take advantage of others unwillingness to lessen in order to lessen my footprint. I'm not perfect. I do believe that we are damaging our planet, maybe not as horrible as others make it out, maybe worse than can be seen. I do ask others to give it a shot. Big change is hard and someone will always suffer. Just ask anyone having the early Europeans paying them a visit.
And if TPTB decided that in order to save the planet/mandkind, you have to reduce your carbon footprint to, say a 1,200sqft home? With a smart meter regulating you thermostat to 78 in the summer and 62 in the winter? You can only drive your micro-electric car 25miles a week and pay a tax on every mile? Food: plant based only and there is a tax on that too. Or grow it your own, as long as it does not involve real meat. A CarbonValueAdded Tax for every mile any product takes to get to your grocery store? That head of lettuce from CA is now $23.99.
But, just like the recent Obama-fest, those rules do not apply to them?

You okay with that?
 

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It depends on your kWh price. Here in Iowa, it's so low it would take over 20 years for solar to pay for itself. What's screwed up is most solar calculators, offered by the sellers, skew the kWh price to make it look like the pay back period is shorter.. Like 7 years. The calculator I used, which asked where I lived, claimed I paid almost three times the actual amount! Lies!

Free energy has been accomplished. And there was a 100 mpg pogue carburetor.

Harald Kautz Vella claims he worked with physicist's who accomplished free energy like tesla claimed. But we all know the story about tesla which was similar to what Harald said. If you cant put a meter on it and charge money for it, the elite wont allow it.
 
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I dont give a crap about any of this carbon footprint BS. Global climate change is real, we all know that. Its been going on since the beginning of time. We also know that Man caused climate change is a scam designed to fool the ignorant and foolish. Oil and gas will be around for a long time. When theres a real need for a replacement someone will come up with a new idea.
I’ve always challenged the anti oil people to name any product that does not use oil in its manufacture, production or transportation. So far nobody has mentioned a single product.
Without oil and gas we'd soon be living in caves and grass huts.
I probably have a much smaller carbon footprint than most have, not out of some hippy or socialist pipe dream, but because of the way we choose to live and necessity. Solar provides 100% percent of our electrical needs, we have a lot of timber, which is supposed to soak up carbon or something silly.
We're already blessed with an abundant energy source. Why fight it? Just try living without oil and gas.
The problem is, the low hanging fruit i.e. the easy to get out of the ground oil is becoming less and less. Fracking and shale proves that. When all the easy to get out of the ground stuff is gone, conventional oil, then we have to resort to unconventional oil.
You know perfectly well how long it takes to bring a oil rig online from discovery. And a deep sea platform. And a shale rig, and all the inputs that go into it, the exponential decrease of a shale well y-o-y.
 

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All I am certain of is the sun blasts the earth with more energy in a day than all of mankind uses in a year. It’s allready there and just makes sense to harness it as a cleaner source of energy. Is it net zero, no. Nothing is. It takes energy and oil and many other things to manufacture anything. Solar panels produce cleaner energy than oil, but yes it takes some oil to manufacture them. Batteries pollute when used up. Luckily Tesla says now they can reclaim 92% of the stuff in the dead batteries for new ones. These new power sources aren’t perfect, but they get better each year. Oil won’t go away, but if we can use less of it and still produce cleaner power why wouldn’t we?
 

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The problem is, the low hanging fruit i.e. the easy to get out of the ground oil is becoming less and less. Fracking and shale proves that. When all the easy to get out of the ground stuff is gone, conventional oil, then we have to resort to unconventional oil.
You know perfectly well how long it takes to bring a oil rig online from discovery. And a deep sea platform. And a shale rig, and all the inputs that go into it, the exponential decrease of a shale well y-o-y.
I know exactly how long it takes to get a well in, how much it costs to produce a barrel of oil, and how much probable and proven oil reserves we have left. And its measured in the hundreds of years, and longer. Fracking was a great technological advance, directional drilling was another great advancement in producing oil and gas. More advances are constantly being worked on.
New discoverys in oil reserves are found quite often, and advancement in refining the end product is always goining on. There has been tremendous advances in emmision controls in motor fuel and in modern vehicles. Of course the Leftist media doesn't want this information to get out, and the ignorant masses all want a magic wand approach to fix all the perceived problems of the world. Many people it seems today want to live in a science fiction drama world where we're running out of resources and the sky is falling. When it comes to oil and gas, that's bullshyt.
 

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