Lol, because its not 99%, there you go with your consensus logic again, that's not even close to an accurate percentage.
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Lol, because its not 99%, there you go with your consensus logic again, that's not even close to an accurate percentage.
How much does it cost to reclaim/recycle those batteries?
https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Documents/Doctrine/concepts/joe_2010.pdf?ver=2017-12-30-132036-843
The energy section starts on page 26.
The energy section starts on page 26.
Your citing a investment site's stock recommendation. The ironic thing is that originally the "fool" in the name refers to the fact that the "wise" (ie financial advisors,mutual fund managers, etc)) can't beat the indexes so it is better to be a "fool" than "wise", but now with all their services they have become part of the "wise".
Motley Fool got messed up early on by recommending a "Dogs of the Dow" approach. Back testing showed they were geniuses, but the strategy didn't work out going forward.
These guys are entertainment, though, not really a source for sound advice.
Brent S
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I did not see anything on cost, but considering that a lot of the needed materials are a finite resource at least they are reusable.
It's not like the sea beds sleep for millions of years unchanged and one day wake up and decide "Hey let's all turn into oil today." And then go back to sleep for millions of years before they wake up and turn into oil again.
It is a continuous process.
Brent S
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Yes it is a continual process. But we have been pumping it out way faster than it gets replenished. Kind of like the aquifers out west. The ground is sinking from the voids from using the resources faster than mother nature can replace them. People aren't very good at managing our natural resources at a sustainable rate.
backandbeyond
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How about all the old texas fields that made america the nation it once was? They are all but empty, that's why you're drilling in the gulf of Mexico under a mile or water.
Oddcaliber
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IIRC back in the 70' someone discovered that 1 ton of trash could produce 1 barrel of oil. If true than oil is a renewable resource.
Let me explain to you.
In the early days of the Cold War when an isolated Soviet Union tasked their top scientists to identify the actual source of oil. Not a weekend homework assignment. After considerable research, in 1956, Russian scientist Professor Vladimir Porfir'yev announced that "crude oil and natural petroleum gas have no intrinsic connection with biological matter originating near the surface of the earth. They are primordial [originating with the earth's formation] materials which have been erupted from great depths."
If your eyeballs didn't fall out when you read that, you might want to read it again.
He said oil doesn't come from anything biologic, not, as conventional wisdom dictates, from the fossilized remains of dinosaurs and/or ancient plant matter. It comes from very deep in the earth and is created by a biochemical reaction that subjected hydrocarbons (elements having carbon and hydrogen) to extreme heat and intense pressure during the earth's formation.
Russians referred to this oil (any oil, really) as "abiotic oil" because it is not created from the decomposition of biological life forms, but rather from the chemical process continually occurring inside the earth.
I know, easy for Porfir'yev to say. But it turns out it was more than just a theory. It's been proven correct, time and time again.
Because shortly after the Russians discovered this, they started drilling ultra-deep wells and finding oil at 30,000 and 40,000 feet below the earth's surface. These are staggering depths, and far below the depth at which organic matter can be found, which is 18,000 feet.
You can make hydrocarbon fuel yourself from biomatter. It can be converted in hours. It takes a lot of heat and pressure though. For petroleum, the earth itself provides the heat and pressure.
You clearly missed the story this weekend on the Lithium and Cobalt shortages...
And that will only drive up the cost.
I have yet to see how much fresh water will be needed to recycle these batteries.
Or what other toxic materials will be needed.
Schattentarn
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That about says it all.
Brent S
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Change isn’t a bad thing. Looking for cleaner alternatives to provide the energy we have become so dependent on isn’t a bad thing. At least we are finally seriously working on better options and new ideas. We should have been doing this 60 years ago but people tend to be resistant to change.
Brent S
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As they say, there are no free lunches in life. Everything has costs and hurdles to overcome.
And if it requires massive amounts of clean water, and the use of evironmentally damaging toxins/chemicals? Is that worth the cost?
Arcticdude
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People were working on it 60 years ago. We have cleaner burning fuel, lower emmision vehicles, cleaner burning coal etc. The lead was taken out of gasoline years ago too.
Thats why we have cleaner air and water today. Did you miss the part where all diesel engines must use ultra low sulphur fuel now? That was another big step in cutting emmisions too. How many people were using solar 60 years ago?
Some people just dont want to admit that we have been making great progress in cleaning up the air and water, without turning everything upside down with some hippy pipe dream.
Brent S
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We have made fossil fuels burn cleaner. And I believe that is a good thing. But I also think that needs to go hand in hand with developing even cleaner and more renewable sources of energy. The EVs of today aren’t going to be the savior of the planet. But at least they are a first step towards development of better technologies. Oil isn’t going away in the near future, and likely never will with it being used in so many things. But it shouldn’t be the only resource we are using.
