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IMHO, they will never have a cure.
AIDS/Cancer research is a billion dollar+ a year industry,...

So are alternative treatments. Read a few alt websites and see all the stuff they're selling. Conventional Drs, oncologists are curing cancer, every day. :) My cousin in NY was cured of leukemia with a bone marrow transplant from his brother. That was 25+ year ago. I was cured of cancer by surgery and chemo. One of my friends who recently died of old age was cured of ovarian cancer with the use of surgery and radiation, and that was years ago. I could go on and on but you get the point. Cancer isn't a death sentence anymore with the new drugs and treatments they have. How you can claim everyone in the medical field doesn't want to cure cancer really makes no sense. As one is cured another develops the disease so they will always have patients. If apricot pits and broccoli-cabbage diets and PH nonsence worked, along with things like Hulda Clarks worthless "magic zapper" and coffee enemas, the drug companies would never have done research on the drugs we have now that are actually curing cancer or putting it into remission for many years. And there are also spontaneous remissions when nothing was done.

then you have the money from pharmacuticals too.
i really dont believe companys are going to lose out on all that money to save lives.

You are sadly mistaken.
 
Ha!!!!
I have very good insurance tyvm!
If i had cancer, i would use treatments provided by medical advice before ever thinking of using alt methods....maybe as a last resort.
However, if you wish to ve blind to the trillions of dollers donated to medical science to "find the cure" then the only "self" being fooled is you.

No my friend, a cure would not send them all to the unemployment line and the bankruptcy courts. Why? Because for each person cured, and millions have been cured of cancer but you haven't address them, another person develops it. So they will always have new patients who will need surgery, radiation and/or chemo. And they all race for a cure because the drug company who finally finds the cure will be rich beyond anyone's wildest dreams. They will have the patient on the drug. But is a cure possible when you think of the facts of cancer? You also don't seem to realize that there are many types of cancer and they don't all respond to the same treatment. So one "cure" is not likely.

You go ahead n believe our government does everything to "standered procedure" i will not!

What does the Gov have to do with it? Research is done in the labs.

Do i think those doctors get paid millions? Hell no i dont, but thats precicly my point. although they may make hundreds of thousands a year non the less.

What Drs? Researches? They make a lot less than a GP or specialists. They all want to succeed and find a cure, a cure for at least one of the many types of cancer out there. They gain prestige and respect from their peers.

Do you believe it takes millions of dollars to test cabbage on rats for a year???
The sheep are thick in this country aint they.........

What are you talking about? How is that related to finding cures for all the cancers and other potentially fatal diseases?
 
My father said that they try to keep thier ph at 8 or more, also said that they eat aprocot seeds, but they tend to lower his blood pressure.
I will have to talk to my mother for more info, as the more I question dad the more he changes the subject.

Please do some research on PH and how the body regulates it. Your body stays in a close range... if you go below or above it for any amount of time, you DIE! Blood must always be slightly alkaline, with a pH of 7.35 to 7.45. Regardless of what you eat or drink, it will remain in that range. PH is a popular cancer treatment/cure among the alt meds right now, but like all the other fads, it too will fade away and something else will touted as a cure. :)

The truth is, if the SHTF and the oncology clinics close, millions who would have been cured or put into remission will die. That goes for anyone who depends on some kind of med to stay alive.
 
emp, don't get me started on cancer and chemo. I know the clinic in Mexico, but I don't want to say the name as I don't want to start anything.

All you need do is post their website and the proof or irrefutable evidence that they cured everyone. Remember that Ms Clark claimed her Mexican cancer clinic cured everyone also. Yet she was ran out of Mexico (she was also run out of the USA) when it was shown not one of her victims were cured. Those located through family, had already died. Ms Clark herself died of cancer!!!!!!!!

There was a article on Yahoo yesterday about a little girl in Phoenix who is battling leukemia and has lost her arm due to complications from the treatment. The parents took her out and have taken her for treatment in Mexico. Now there is child neglect charges that may come against them. It's a parents right to choose what and where their child gets treatment.

Fruit pits and broccoli diets and silver in any form aren't cures........
 
Sorry if I went off...allot of this just felt like a personal attack. :-(

Some of it is an insult, a putdown to the hard working people in the medical fields, the researchers, those willing to be in the drug tests etc. To claim they're all dishonest greedy pigs in on some money-mad conspiracy to keep people sick is just plain crazy and insulting. There are many diseases there are no cures for but those fanatics against modern medicine seem totally unaware of that fact.
 
Ok sorry hope my reply even though a bit confrontational answered ur questions or made you realise you and other healthcare workers aren't the focus of this discussion just big companies

But you need to realize it takes a big company with a BIG bank account to do the research needed and to get a drug to market.
 
I've never had to endure chemo so obviously I don't know what it feels like first hand like you do...and without pain meds on top of that. Yikes!

There is no pain with chemo. It's diluted and goes into a vein. You may or may not get a "port." In any case the only pain is the needle prick. And there is a salve for that so you wont even feel the needle going in. I never even heard of anyone suffering pain with chemo. It does have side effects but it's not pain. It's nausea and some get diarrhea but they have meds for that also.

For the record, I don't dismiss alternative means of healing by any means. I'm not one of those "drug pushing Nurses"...LOL The majority of our medicines have their origins in planst and herbs and such just as the Indians and other cultures used them. We just figured a way to put shit into a capsule...LOL I wish you luck. Truely. :)

And make each capsule or pill have the same amount of active ingredient unlike most alt med herbal caps on the 'net.
 
Yes i sure am.
What goverments do for monetairy support would blow the mind of the average person.

How would the US Gov gets millions of research workers, Drs, nurses, oncologists, drug testers and people cured of cancer from all over the world in on the conspiracy? What monetary support is the Gov getting from those with incurable diseases like cancer, lupus, Huntingtons, MS etc or from those treating them, curing them and keeping them alive?

Its not that they dont care who/how many die yet its also a ploy of population control.

OMG! That is an unreal accusation and an insult to those of us who work or worked in the medical fields. Population control ploy? In the USA?

Im sure they do have methods that do help/cure certain individuals, some kinda hope has to be kept akive that one day there may be a cure.......lol thats what bring the money in.
However, like churches, im sure there are a few out there that are really trying to do good for the world.

I truly believe your ideas come from some of those radical fanatical alt med sites written by those with an agenda and who are always selling the latest cures. And not one of them producing any proof of any of their claims.... nothing but worthless anecdotes and testimonials written by professional writers.
 
I would sure say that thousands of researchers do their part and the government covers up many findings.


Can you quote a site where you found that information? I want to know what exactly the Gov covers up, and what findings were covered up?

Why is it that doctors from other countries are arrested when they start to experiment and find something that works!!

Which Drs were arrested for finding a cure for one of the many many cancers out there? Which cancer were cured? By who?

Dr. Simoncini in
Italy found long ago that Sodium Bicarbonate would cure cancer. He was laughed out of practice but his book "Cancer is a Fungus" has ample information. Funny since just last year the mayo clinic and John Hopkins are now doing studies in this.


Studies on fungus or on Sodium Bicarbonate?

here is a link
http://www.naturalnews.com/035876_baking_soda_cancer_fungus.html

Sorry, that's not the link for the Mayo Clinic or Johns Hopkins.

One alt med claims all cancers are caused by liver flukes and another claims cancers are caused by fungus, another claims it's all the toxins in and on our foods and in the water........ they need to get together and agree what causes and cures cancers. :)
http://www.naturalnews.com/035876_baking_soda_cancer_fungus.html

I am a firm believer that God and nature has supplied us with everything that we could ever need in life and that allopathic medicine is nothing but a money making scheme thought up by big Pharma.

If that were so, everyone would have used the God given nature supplied products and never bought any meds from the drug stores. Why would they when a few herbs was curing all that ailed them? Can you explain that one? They would have told the Dr to forget the antibiotics or chemo, that they had some herbs or "treatment" to cure them. Tell me, what herb or alt treatment (nature supplied cure) cures MS, Lupus, hypothyroidism, Multiple Dsytrophy, polio, measles, scleroderma, rabies, antibiotic resistant TB?

To those in the medical field on this page I have nothing against you I'm sure you help allot of people in the ways that you know, but I wish that all doctors would have to study more than just allopathic medicine.

Most of them do have a good idea about alt meds.
 
thats fantastic mate ,,,, dont forget them apricot seeds mate i realy hope u never need them though
Those are the BITTER almond seeds - not the sweet almonds we eat. Take 5 or so a day - more can cause digestive trouble and no need. These seeds contain Laetril - remember? The great promise of the 70's to cure cancer and then it was shut up and ignored because you can't patent "natural" substances and make billions. There are many of these natural cures that have been bought out or discredited. therrrrrrrre are many bills in legislative houses in every state to use the FDA to shut out supplements so we can't help ourselves. Please check it out and fight the increasing dissappearance of vitamins, minerals, herbs and teas that compete with Big Pharma.
 
How would the US Gov gets millions of research workers, Drs, nurses, oncologists, drug testers and people cured of cancer from all over the world in on the conspiracy? What monetary support is the Gov getting from those with incurable diseases like cancer, lupus, Huntingtons, MS etc or from those treating them, curing them and keeping them alive?



OMG! That is an unreal accusation and an insult to those of us who work or worked in the medical fields. Population control ploy? In the USA?



I truly believe your ideas come from some of those radical fanatical alt med sites written by those with an agenda and who are always selling the latest cures. And not one of them producing any proof of any of their claims.... nothing but worthless anecdotes and testimonials written by professional writers.
Either you are brainwashed, stupid or just plain blind and I would bet all three! Just like all the rest - no better no worse - it's not personal. I was naive and innocent to evil intentions too, but I educated myself about how Big Pharma hides cures so they can sell them for a THOUSAND times what those "alt med" sites do. They own the Medical Journals and the FDA that approves the drugs and the Medical Schools and the Hospitals - so the circle is complete. They don't have to get people to conspire. They just brainwash them. You think they don't have an "agenda". It's called money with a BILLION. My ex-husband was a doctor that went to a leading medical school and never had ONE class in nutrition. Shut off the damn TV and start listening before you accuse us of being "unreal". I can't tell you where to start. Just start. Once you "see" one conspiracy is oh so true and the man behind the curtain is exposed you will not know the blind person you once were. Let's see - try THIS - a new one about Sandy Hook AND the history of medicine cover-ups.
 
Yeah I've heard all about people wanting they're kids to have alternative treatment instead of chemo and then gettin charged, it's not nice , the owner of this site has another called childcancerforums , I could go on for days about human rights I do a lot of work with disable people and victims of abuse etc but I just started this thread because Someone Said there won't be chemo after shtf I just wanted to spread what is heard about apricot seeds, cannabis oil does similar but if I try to promote cannabis people will think I'm just a legalise it freak lolol
I never believed in legalizing recreational drugs - but cannibis oil has no "high". It is strictly a medicine. And why, when our country was the worlds provider of hemp rope - why can't we have that industry and cash crop? Estimates are that the first state that legalizes hemp fiber as a crop gets its bills paid in full from that alone. I didn't say it - but the estimates are very high in the prosperity department. That's why the bandwagon on that. The gangs are actually against legalization according to a study in CA - because then they'd have to pay taxes on their sales. HA. Let's make 'em pay taxes. I don't care who smokes what. Cannibis and cannibis oil have been medical treatments since before we were a country. Maybe they are hiding them because they work?
 
Anyone can say what they wish but my family will not be putting any $$ into Big Pharma's pockets in any way shape or form. Big Pharma cares for nothing but their $$ they don't really want to help people.
 
Those are the BITTER almond seeds - not the sweet almonds we eat. Take 5 or so a day - more can cause digestive trouble and no need. These seeds contain Laetril - remember? The great promise of the 70's to cure cancer and then it was shut up and ignored because you can't patent "natural" substances and make billions.

I was around in the 70s and they fell out of favor because no one was cured using them. No tumors shrunk. No leukemia went in to remission. No breast tumors disappeared. People rejected real cures and treatments that would have put them in remission - and died. If Laetril actually worked (STOP AND THINK!!!!!!) the alt crowd selling them would have made billions. Those growing them would have made billions. You don't need to patent something to get rich. ;) The most famous cancer victim who died by taking Laetrile rather than conventional cancer treatments was Steve McQueen. By the time he realized Laetrile was worthless, it was too late.

There are many of these natural cures that have been bought out or discredited. therrrrrrrre are many bills in legislative houses in every state to use the FDA to shut out supplements so we can't help ourselves.

Uh, lets be honest here. The only supplements taken off the market are those KNOWN to be worthless yet magical claims are made for them such as Herbalife. Remember that useless herb that made the Co BILLIONS? Or if they're dangerous and people died or became ill taking them.

Please check it out and fight the increasing dissappearance of vitamins, minerals, herbs and teas that compete with Big Pharma.

Huh? The shelves where I live and down here in TN where we spend the winter are loaded to the bursting point with vitamins, minerals, herbs and tea. You must live in a very small town - no? Try WalMart or any of the well known Drug Stores and you will find isles and isles of vitamins, minerals, herbs and teas.
 
Anyone can say what they wish but my family will not be putting any $$ into Big Pharma's pockets in any way shape or form. Big Pharma cares for nothing but their $$ they don't really want to help people.

So you plan to die should one of you get really sick? Your parents may not agree to go without treatment. You also cannot legally allow your children to die for lack of medical care. And by what you infer, all the alt treatments and cures are FREE. Only BigPharm who spends billions a year on research charge for their products. Please tell us where we can all get the FREE alt cures, supplements and treatments. Remember, by what you yourself said, if they charge, "they're for nothing but their $$ they don't really want to help people". Now where can I get all those FREE supplements, copper bracelets, magnetic mattresses, alkaline water, and other alternative products?;)
 
Either you are brainwashed, stupid or just plain blind and I would bet all three!

No, I'm neither blind, stupid or brainwashed. I worked in the medical field for years, as do, and did, several family members. My stepdaughter is a clinical research scientist for example. How much education in the field of medicine, biology, pharmacology, human physiology etc do you have? Your insults are both without merit and juvenile.

Just like all the rest - no better no worse - it's not personal. I was naive and innocent to evil intentions too, but I educated myself about how Big Pharma hides cures so they can sell them for a THOUSAND times what those "alt med" sites do.

And you educated yourself by getting a college degree in the field and actually working for one of the large drug firms? Which ones? Where are the copies of the documents you have as proof of your allegations?

Or did you *educate* yourself reading self-serving alternative sites written by professional writers? Yes, they pay professional writers like my friend in NY to write compelling BS, anecdotes and testimonials to sell their products to the tune of BILLION$ a year. People write who wouldn't know Hulda Clark's magic liver fluke cancer curing zapper from a magic copper bracelet that supposed to cure arthritis. It's a job for them and people like you read the BS and believe it. Sadly, almost everyone I know who fell for the compelling testimonials and inane claims on these sites had no education in the field of medicine/health/pharmacology and no Health Insurance.

They own the Medical Journals and the FDA that approves the drugs and the Medical Schools and the Hospitals - so the circle is complete. They don't have to get people to conspire. They just brainwash them.

You can't brainwash people in the medical/drug studies. That's absurd to the nth degree. If you actually did the research you claim you did you would know they approve drugs that pass the tests, after being tested on animals, sometimes for months. Then they have the clinical trials. Let me educate you to what actually happens. I'll make it brief. If the drug works well in humans with a minimum of side-effects, it passes and goes to through more trials... this can cost the Drug company MILLIONS of dollars. If the drug doesn't work in humans and proves to be worthless or dangerous, it doesn't hit the market. Or if it works well in animals it may become a drug used by veterinarians. The Drug Co just lost millions of dollars if the drug bombs. The researchers have to start again. And because of one or two cases of cheating, there are so many safeguards in place, that can't happen again. It has nothing to do with brain-washing of the sort found on alternative websites, books and magazines.

You think they don't have an "agenda". It's called money with a BILLION.

Just like those selling everything from magic cancer curing zappers and alkaline waters online. You did no research or would know that much of the money Drug Cos take in gets plunged right back into research. Would you rather have your child die of measles or tetanus or vaccinate them? Do you realize how many BILLIONS of children's lives were saved because some Drug Co produced the vaccines that saved them?

My ex-husband was a doctor that went to a leading medical school and never had ONE class in nutrition. Shut off the damn TV and start listening before you accuse us of being "unreal".

You are unreal. You're not THINKING for yourself! You're doing nothing but repeating the nonsense you read online written by people like Marge who are paid to be persuasive and believable.

I can't tell you where to start. Just start. Once you "see" one conspiracy is oh so true and the man behind the curtain is exposed you will not know the blind person you once were. Let's see - try THIS - a new one about Sandy Hook AND the history of medicine cover-ups.


I don't watch videos so provide a text site with the proof of your claim. I guess you mean this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp
 
My parents can do as they wish as long as they are of their own mind and can decide for themselves, when it comes time that they are not I have already told them that they should have what they want written out and in their will, otherwise I will choose their care. I'm not saying we will have lack of medical care but we well not have mainstream medical care. Medical care is not defined by allopathic medical care. No not all natural methods are not free, but the money is not going into killers pockets and that's the way I'll keep it. As far as the choices my family has made for our health they are none of your concern and not up for discussion of change, be concerned with your own family and leave mine be.
So you plan to die should one of you get really sick? Your parents may not agree to go without treatment. You also cannot legally allow your children to die for lack of medical care. And by what you infer, all the alt treatments and cures are FREE. Only BigPharm who spends billions a year on research charge for their products. Please tell us where we can all get the FREE alt cures, supplements and treatments. Remember, by what you yourself said, if they charge, "they're for nothing but their $$ they don't really want to help people". Now where can I get all those FREE supplements, copper bracelets, magnetic mattresses, alkaline water, and other alternative products?;)
 
My parents can do as they wish as long as they are of their own mind and can decide for themselves, when it comes time that they are not I have already told them that they should have what they want written out and in their will, otherwise I will choose their care. I'm not saying we will have lack of medical care but we well not have mainstream medical care. Medical care is not defined by allopathic medical care. No not all natural methods are not free, but the money is not going into killers pockets and that's the way I'll keep it. As far as the choices my family has made for our health they are none of your concern and not up for discussion of change, be concerned with your own family and leave mine be.
And if you mean my parents agreeing to my care, well that's not their choice anymore, That's why you make sure ALL of your medical wishes are in a legal document. My husband supports and agrees with our medical choices, If it comes to something terminal then no I will not seek out a mainstream medical treatment. Our family is healthy and rarely sick, my husband and i tend to have more allergies due to our parents poor choices in medical practice, but our daughter has never been sick, never ran a fever, we have healthy lifestyles. When my daughter is old enough to read up and do her own research she can make her own choices and I will support them. You, RVKitty, support mainstream medical and I will support your choice in that, please respect mine. Oh and I don't believe in all that nonsense of copper bracelets, magnetic mattresses, and alkaline water. We don't take supplements on a regular basis to supplement means you don't allow enough in your own diet. Most of what we use we can grow ourselves so yes essentially that is free. Some of our things no they aren't free and that's OK, I would rather pay for whats good for you then pay for a cocktail of chemicals that comes with a list of side-effects a mile long. ;-)
 
My parents can do as they wish as long as they are of their own mind and can decide for themselves, when it comes time that they are not I have already told them that they should have what they want written out and in their will, otherwise I will choose their care. I'm not saying we will have lack of medical care but we well not have mainstream medical care.

Make sure they know this before they give you Power-Of-Attorney to make life decisions for them.

Medical care is not defined by allopathic medical care. No not all natural methods are not free, but the money is not going into killers pockets and that's the way I'll keep it.

Killer's pockets? What killers? Why haven't you provided the information I asked for to prove or show evidence of your allegations? All you keep doing is repeating things like my friend Marge wrote for those alt med hucksters and quacks. Where is your evidence all these millions of people working in the health care industry are in on some weird conspiracy to KILL people? Oh, maybe you mean those quacks selling magic cancer cures and others crapola, lotions, potions, notions and supplements online they claim will cure all your ills.

As far as the choices my family has made for our health they are none of your concern and not up for discussion of change, be concerned with your own family and leave mine be.

Then don't bring them up. I didn't bring up your family - YOU DID! :D
 
And if you mean my parents agreeing to my care, well that's not their choice anymore, That's why you make sure ALL of your medical wishes are in a legal document.

Make sure you let them know you will allow them to die rather than have them treated. They may or may not go along with that, and that is their prerogative, not yours.

My husband supports and agrees with our medical choices, If it comes to something terminal then no I will not seek out a mainstream medical treatment.

You don't have to. If you choose death or suffering for yourself.... that is your choice and no one will force you to do anything else. Choosing DEATH for another person is immoral. In fact, it may even be illegal where you live.

Our family is healthy and rarely sick, my husband and i tend to have more allergies due to our parents poor choices in medical practice, but our daughter has never been sick, never ran a fever, we have healthy lifestyles. When my daughter is old enough to read up and do her own research she can make her own choices and I will support them.

And you wont try to influence her? I find that hard to believe.

You, RVKitty, support mainstream medical and I will support your choice in that, please respect mine. Oh and I don't believe in all that nonsense of copper bracelets, magnetic mattresses, and alkaline water. We don't take supplements on a regular basis to supplement means you don't allow enough in your own diet. Most of what we use we can grow ourselves so yes essentially that is free. Some of our things no they aren't free and that's OK,

If they're not FREE, then going by what you yourself claimed, the seller is only out for the money and cares nothing about you.

I would rather pay for whats good for you then pay for a cocktail of chemicals that comes with a list of side-effects a mile long. ;-)

Which cocktail of chemicals are you talking about? Why are you, like most conspirisists, always so vague? Let me guess... because all you're doing is repeating what you read on some alt med sites. ;)

You still haven't provided the evidence of your claims that there's a conspiracy to kill people in the medical field. And by what you wrote above, you don't believe in any kind of medical treatments, alternative or otherwise. If one of you gets seriously sick, you will chose death for yourselves. No one will stop you from that... your child is another mattter. It will be illegal for you to allow her to die for lack of medical care.
 

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