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How are things in Europe? Are you in Italy now? It's pretty bad here, although some restrictions are going later this month and some vaccine mandates have been removed. I've been forced to get the jab (I got novavax) because you cannot visit anyone in hospital or aged care if you're not vaxxed and my dad is 94, so likely to go in one or the other, plus I have a couple of friends who went to hospital with cancer and I was not allowed in to see them. The worst thing is how brainwashed people are here.

Since mid February nearly all restrictions are gone in Switzerland, since the 1th of April everything is gone. Sometimes we read something about this deadliest disease ever in the newspaper, but since January nobody cares about anymore, except maybe some single individuals who still wearing masks for shopping.
Notice: It could be just an coincidence, but as they let fall the most of the restrictions mid February we was seriously close to an heavy (civil) conflict, plus one week later there was elections for the government...
However, the disease is for the most people history, especially since the gov can't explain anymore why the vaccine wasn't work.
 

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The Australian federal government are STILL being total dickheads. Just take a look at the text of the following 25 March release.
They seem to think that Australia is still a prison colony where they can mandate whatever they like.
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Australia’s Biosecurity Emergency Determination to end

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Friday, 25/03/2022


The Australian Government has announced the Biosecurity Emergency Determination relating to COVID-19 will not be renewed when it expires on 17 April 2022.
From 18 April, you won’t need to provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test to enter Australia, prior to boarding your flight.
Restrictions on the entry of cruise vessels into and within Australian territory will also lapse.
When leaving, or travelling to, Australia you’ll still be required to
  • provide proof of double vaccination against COVID-19 (emphasis added)
  • wear a mask in airports and on board international flights.
These measures will be implemented under non-emergency provisions of the Biosecurity Act.

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They clearly do not understant that "end" means "end".

This is the "enabling" statement by the so-called Minister for Health.


You can see why the expression "don't be a Hunt" is becoming popular in Australia.
(For those who do not read the "Health Minister's" release, his surname is "Hunt".)
 
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The Australian federal government are STILL being total dickheads. Just take a look at the text of the following 25 March release.
They seem to think that Australia is still a prison colony where they can mandate whatever they like.
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Australia’s Biosecurity Emergency Determination to end

Last updated

Friday, 25/03/2022


The Australian Government has announced the Biosecurity Emergency Determination relating to COVID-19 will not be renewed when it expires on 17 April 2022.
From 18 April, you won’t need to provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test to enter Australia, prior to boarding your flight.
Restrictions on the entry of cruise vessels into and within Australian territory will also lapse.
When leaving, or travelling to, Australia you’ll still be required to
  • provide proof of double vaccination against COVID-19 (emphasis added)
  • wear a mask in airports and on board international flights.
These measures will be implemented under non-emergency provisions of the Biosecurity Act.

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They clearly do not understant that "end" means "end".

This is the "enabling" statement by the so-called Minister for Health.


You can see why the expression "don't be a Hunt" is becoming popular in Australia.
 

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Hold out there Marjie, there is an election coming in May.
That won't matter.
The only likely alternative to the present government, is a Labor govt, and they would have been and will be far worse than a Coalition (Liberal and Nationals) govt.

The only solution is to radically alter the voting system . . . but that they will never tolerate, as it will destroy the present ruling party. (one party; "two wings of the same vulture": Labor and Coalition)
(For those who are unfamiliar with Australian politics, for decades "The Coalition" on the federal and states levels is the so-called Liberal Party (which is not "liberal" by either definition commonly used) and The Nationals. The Labor Party are avowed socialists; stated as such several times in the beginning of their party constitution.)
 
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That won't matter.
The only likely alternative to the present government, is a Labor govt, and they would have been and will be far worse than a Coalition (Liberal and Nationals) govt.

The only solution is to radically alter the voting system . . . but that they will never tolerate, as it will destroy the present ruling party. (one party; "two wings of the same vulture": Labor and Coalition)
(For those who are unfamiliar with Australian politics, for decades "The Coalition" on the federal and states levels is the so-called Liberal Party (which is not "liberal" by either definition commonly used) and The Nationals. The Labor Party are avowed socialists; stated as such several times in the beginning of their party constitution.)
That maybe so. But if Australians were serious about their voting options There has always been other alternatives parties like One Nation and the Citizens electoral party even independents.
 

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That maybe so. But if Australians were serious about their voting options There has always been other alternatives parties like One Nation and the Citizens electoral party even independents.
If only people would see the only way out of this mess is to vote for the minor parties. Even if they only get a few seats they can make the government accountable!
 

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If anything is going to happen. Than the coming election will be the moment of truth and reckoning for Australia. Actually as Australia becomes less Christian by the year with its Christian heritage deteriorating and disappearing at a alarming rate..And with our country choosing by referendum to accept same sex marriage over the laws of God. That may well have already decided our fete. I guess no ones arse is safe anymore , because tha referendum legalises sodomy with its very acceptance. The downward spiral will come in like a flood so maybe it’s already to late. God is not mocked learn from Sodom and Gomorrah. A nations well being depends solely on its relationship with its Creator.
 

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God is not mocked learn from Sodom and Gomorrah. A nations well being depends solely on its relationship with its Creator.

My country has become evil. The murder of babies. Two states are even now trying to pass laws to allow MURDER of babies until they are 28 days old! The harm to children in the schools. Far too many churches that are not following God’s word. Disney is even gone over to the evil side. Americans are in for some real wrath of God.
 

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My country has become evil. The murder of babies. Two states are even now trying to pass laws to allow MURDER of babies until they are 28 days old! The harm to children in the schools. Far too many churches that are not following God’s word. Disney is even gone over to the evil side. Americans are in for some real wrath of God.
Abortion to do away with unwanted pregnancy is far more wicked, except it be in situations like rape or with the safety of the mother.. It’s always a highly charged emotionally subject either way. As to the ways of Disney it did seduce us all very much. Georgia thankfully the love and forgiveness of God is deeper than the deepest sea.❤
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That maybe so. But if Australians were serious about their voting options There has always been other alternatives parties like One Nation and the Citizens electoral party even independents.
In my opinion, not really.
The system is rigged so any alternative perspective does not have enough power to accomplish anything.

You can have (say) one third of the entire country have an opinion on government policy (e.g. no war!), and the stock-standard "democratic" voting system is to "divide and conquer" by mandating districts and forcing a limited number of bad choices (candidates) on people in each district. The minority view can win few, if any seats, and therefore have NO real political power.
Also, important issues (like no war) are muddled with BS issues. Distraction akin to "bread and circuses", but using negative issues which makes people emotional and forget the more important issues.

My solution: a person who wants a seat in parliament gets the "vote" of the number of electors equal to the total number of electors divided by the number of parliamentarians.
Example: 15.1 million Australian electors divided by 151 Australian House of Rep seats = 100,000 electors.
If someone can get 100,000 people to "vote" for them from across the country, they get a set in parliament. (The actual amount is about 111,000, but you get the point.)

This method would probably destroy the party system. That is why the politicians would fight it tooth-and-nail.
 
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In my opinion, not really.
The system is rigged so any alternative perspective does not have enough power to accomplish anything.

You can have (say) one third of the entire country have an opinion on government policy (e.g. no war!), and the stock-standard "democratic" voting system is to "divide and conquer" by mandating districts and forcing a limited number of bad choices (candidates) on people in each district. The minority view can win few, if any seats, and therefore have NO real political power.
Also, important issues (like no war) are muddled with BS issues. Distraction akin to "bread and circuses", but using negative issues which makes people emotional and forget the more important issues.

My solution: a person who wants a seat in parliament gets the "vote" of the number of electors equal to the total number of electors divided by the number of parliamentarians.
Example: 15.1 million Australian electors divided by 151 Australian House of Rep seats = 100,000 electors.
If someone can get 100,000 people to "vote" for them from across the country, they get a set in parliament. (The actual amount is about 111,000, but you get the point.)

This method would probably destroy the party system. That is why the politicians would fight it tooth-and-nail.
Andrew in this late hour much is rigged. It’s a interesting idea you have . In Queensland voting was once more inline with the geographics of the state and not by the power of population and for good reason because most of Australia’s population lives in 4 major cities . In Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide you have over 14 million people just there alone . We be a population of 25 million people. Of course the geographic zoning system for voting has changed forever in Queensland in the recent decades. I’m sure elsewhere too. How to divide a 100,000 voters per the 151 representatives fairly over the vastness of Australia may be problematic how would you do ? As a forethought let’s take for example Townsville 183,000 people, Charters Towers 12000 people Mt Isa 19000 people and the capital city of Queensland Brisbane at 2.4 million people how could the entire country be represented fairly
 
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Andrew in this late hour much is rigged. It’s a interesting idea you have . In Queensland voting was once more inline with the geographics of the state and not by the power of population and for good reason because most of Australia’s population lives in 4 major cities . In Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide you have over 14 million people just there alone . We be a population of 25 million people. Of course the geographic zoning system for voting has changed forever in Queensland in the recent decades. I’m sure elsewhere too. How to divide a 100,000 voters per the 151 representatives fairly over the vastness of Australia may be problematic how would you do ?
Perhaps I did not make my point clearly enough.

Under the present system, the politicians pretend that they represent the majority of the people and therefore pretend they have a mandate . . . sometimes to do ANYTHING (as demonstrated during the recent scamdemic).

My method ensures that a member of parliament truly represents the interests of 110,000 people . . . rather than the present system where there is a pretense that showing up to "vote" implies agreement with that person representing us. In 30 years of voting as an Australian citizen, I have NEVER encountered a politician who I felt represented my interests. I have not yet surveyed others, but I would bet my perspective is not uncommon.

It is likely they will not able to fill all 151 seats in the House of Reps with my system . . . but that is a good thing. It proves that the politicians do not represent all the people and therefore do not have as much of a mandate as they pretend to have.
 

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I count at least 14- 16 representatives for Brisbane’s 2.4 million population alone. Maybe North Queensland with a population combined with the people of Townsville, Charters Towers, Cairns and Mt Isa. And if we throw in 50.000 kangaroos they might just scrap in 3 representatives. You know how large North Queensland is geographically you maybe get 4 So how would government revenue be divided properly considering that our present system does not work so well in dividing that. And yours may be even leaner as it seems that you have less than a 151 seats on your mind . Big fish generally eat little fish out of the equation. If it be 110.000 people per representative the whole of Australia would have to be rezoned. Than there would be population movements and also population increases to evaluate . As to being answerable to the people. Where have I heard that before. I always thought that’s how it was supposed to be. Sadly that is found somewhere in utopia these days. As to politicians I’ve met a few they do charm very much with their pearly lips of wisdom and like to enchant very much over a cup of tea.
 
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I count at least 14- 16 representatives for Brisbane’s 2.4 million population alone. Maybe North Queensland with a population combined with the people of Townsville, Charters Towers, Cairns and Mt Isa. And if we throw in 50.000 kangaroos they might just scrap in 3 representatives. You know how large North Queensland is geographically you maybe get 4 So how would government revenue be divided properly considering that our present system does not work so well in dividing that. And yours may be even leaner as it seems that you have less than a 151 seats on your mind . Big fish generally eat little fish out of the equation. If it be 110.000 people per representative the whole of Australia would have to be rezoned. Than there would be population movements and also population increases to evaluate . As to being answerable to the people. Where have I heard that before. I always thought that’s how it was supposed to be. Sadly that is found somewhere in utopia these days. As to politicians I’ve met a few they do charm very much with their pearly lips of wisdom and like to enchant very much over a cup of tea.
Two points:
Why are you focusing on "government revenue"? The scope of government, and therefore its revenue, should be miniscule. Much, much smaller than it is now, therefore much less of an issue.

You are missing the point. There are no "districts" or "zones"; therefore no gerrymandering and separation of people with similar interests to minimise their power. A person need only seek ~110,000 people from across the entire country whom they represent.
 

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It would also be better if political parties were made illegal. Have the members (of Parliament) really answerable to the voters, instead of having to "Toe the Party Line".
 
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It would also be better if political parties were made illegal. Have the members (of Parliament) really answerable to the voters, instead of having to "Toe the Party Line".
In my opinion, more laws is exactly what we do NOT need. We need fewer laws; far fewer.
Freedom of association is a basic right.

The problem is when some people use, can use or attempt to use government to forward their own agendas.
They only do that if government has powers . . . which is exactly why its powers should be be miniscule.

It is farcical to call a member of the Australian House of Representatives the "Member for _____(place electoral division here)_____".
They are really the "Member for the Liberal Party" or "Member for the Labor Party" or any other politicial party.
It is one of those lies politicians promulgate and everyone accepts.

Along with the fact that they are the "Honorable" _____(place MP's name here)_____.

Under "the Westminster system" of government, parliamentary members are only allowed to vote other than the party line in the event of "conscious vote". That happens rarely. That logically implies that Australian members of parliament are forbidden to follow their conscious. That does not make for very good lawmaking.
 

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