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Well this is my list of things I will be putting in/on or already in my BOB to get me to my BOL (Assuming that the 2 1/2 hour drive will take me 7 days plus on foot). Now I know some things are missing, and that some things probably wont fit, but this is my ideal list. Any thoughts or opinions? I am always looking to improve!

Food -
1. 3600 emergency ration bars x 4
2. Whey protein powder
3. 3 days dehydrated food
4. Olive oil (small bottle)
5. Spam singles x 5
6. Tuna pouch x 5

Water-
1. Life straw x 3
2. Water Filter
3. Water purification tabs
4. 3 Liter water pouch
5. Nalgene bottle
6. Folding Bucket

Cooking-
1. 2 sets of camping utensils
2. Salt/Pepper 2 in 1
3. Lighter
4. Camping stove
5. Stainless Steel bowl x 2
6. Sponge (cleaning)

Shelter-
1. 2 person tent
2. Emergency blankets x 2
3. Emergency tube tent
4. Cold weather sleeping bag
5. Ponchos x 2

Clothes-
1. Depends on weather at time of BO. (BOL has clothes for all 4 seasons)
2. Will pack clothes for season following the season during BO.
3. Bandana x 4

Medical-
1. First aid kit (see medical supply list)

Hygiene-
1. Toothbrush
2. Toothpaste
3. Floss
4. Deodorant
5. Nail clippers
6. Q-tips
7. Camping TP
8. Soap
9. Scissors for hair and beard
10. Bug repellant
11. Chap Stick x 2
12. Hand sanitizer
13. Small shovel (digging a latrine)

Tools-
1. Bolt cutters
2. Leatherman multi-tool
3. Zip ties
4. Twine
5. Paracord (100 feet)
6. Various knives (see weapons)
7. Super glue
8. Sewing kit
9. Screwdriver set (various bit held in handle)
10. Duct tape
11. Electrical tape
12. Lighter
13. Razor blades
14. Scissors
15. Permanent marker
16. Sven Saw (15in)
17. Compass
18. Machete (see weapons)
19. Hatchet
20. Fishing Kit
21. Work Gloves
22. Rat Traps

Personal Items-
1. Map of state/Cities between house and BOL
2. SAS survival guide (pocket edition)
3. Kindle Reader
4. Charging cords for phone/kindle
5. Wind up flashlight and Radio
6. Deck of Cards
7. Sudoku puzzle book (pocket sized)
8. Flash drive with all personal information
9. Hard copies of all personal information
10. Digital Camera
11. Spare Watch
12. Knife Sharpener
13. Thermometer
14. iPod and earphones
15. Pen and paper
16. Earplugs
17. Sunglasses
18. Sunscreen

Barter-
1. Tobacco
2. Pipes
3. Lighters
4. Cheap Knifes
5. Silver quarters

Weapons-
1. 4 foot oak staff (non-lethal)
2. 9mm Pistol (lethal) (200 rounds)
3. Various Knives (lethal/non-lethal) (see tools)
4. Sling shot (200 rounds)
5. Machete (see tools)
6. Compound Bow (20 arrows)
7. .22lr Rifle (1000 rounds)

Communication-
1. 2-way crank radios
2. Signal flares x 4
3. Signal mirror
4. Glow Sticks
5. Emergency radio
6. Laser pointer
7. Smoke Signal
8. Crank Battery Charger

Fire-
1. Lighters x 4
2. Cotton balls in petroleum jelly
3. Magnesium fire starter
4. Dryer lint
5. Striker tool
6. Water proof matches
 

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Well this is my list of things I will be putting in/on or already in my BOB to get me to my BOL (Assuming that the 2 1/2 hour drive will take me 7 days plus on foot). Now I know some things are missing, and that some things probably wont fit, but this is my ideal list. Any thoughts or opinions? I am always looking to improve!

Food -
1. 3600 emergency ration bars x 4
2. Whey protein powder
3. 3 days dehydrated food
4. Olive oil (small bottle)
5. Spam singles x 5
6. Tuna pouch x 5

Water-
1. Life straw x 3
2. Water Filter
3. Water purification tabs
4. 3 Liter water pouch
5. Nalgene bottle
6. Folding Bucket

Cooking-
1. 2 sets of camping utensils
2. Salt/Pepper 2 in 1
3. Lighter
4. Camping stove
5. Stainless Steel bowl x 2
6. Sponge (cleaning)

Shelter-
1. 2 person tent
2. Emergency blankets x 2
3. Emergency tube tent
4. Cold weather sleeping bag
5. Ponchos x 2

Clothes-
1. Depends on weather at time of BO. (BOL has clothes for all 4 seasons)
2. Will pack clothes for season following the season during BO.
3. Bandana x 4

Medical-
1. First aid kit (see medical supply list)

Hygiene-
1. Toothbrush
2. Toothpaste
3. Floss
4. Deodorant
5. Nail clippers
6. Q-tips
7. Camping TP
8. Soap
9. Scissors for hair and beard
10. Bug repellant
11. Chap Stick x 2
12. Hand sanitizer
13. Small shovel (digging a latrine)

Tools-
1. Bolt cutters
2. Leatherman multi-tool
3. Zip ties
4. Twine
5. Paracord (100 feet)
6. Various knives (see weapons)
7. Super glue
8. Sewing kit
9. Screwdriver set (various bit held in handle)
10. Duct tape
11. Electrical tape
12. Lighter
13. Razor blades
14. Scissors
15. Permanent marker
16. Sven Saw (15in)
17. Compass
18. Machete (see weapons)
19. Hatchet
20. Fishing Kit
21. Work Gloves
22. Rat Traps

Personal Items-
1. Map of state/Cities between house and BOL
2. SAS survival guide (pocket edition)
3. Kindle Reader
4. Charging cords for phone/kindle
5. Wind up flashlight and Radio
6. Deck of Cards
7. Sudoku puzzle book (pocket sized)
8. Flash drive with all personal information
9. Hard copies of all personal information
10. Digital Camera
11. Spare Watch
12. Knife Sharpener
13. Thermometer
14. iPod and earphones
15. Pen and paper
16. Earplugs
17. Sunglasses
18. Sunscreen

Barter-
1. Tobacco
2. Pipes
3. Lighters
4. Cheap Knifes
5. Silver quarters

Weapons-
1. 4 foot oak staff (non-lethal)
2. 9mm Pistol (lethal) (200 rounds)
3. Various Knives (lethal/non-lethal) (see tools)
4. Sling shot (200 rounds)
5. Machete (see tools)
6. Compound Bow (20 arrows)
7. .22lr Rifle (1000 rounds)

Communication-
1. 2-way crank radios
2. Signal flares x 4
3. Signal mirror
4. Glow Sticks
5. Emergency radio
6. Laser pointer
7. Smoke Signal
8. Crank Battery Charger

Fire-
1. Lighters x 4
2. Cotton balls in petroleum jelly
3. Magnesium fire starter
4. Dryer lint
5. Striker tool
6. Water proof matches
That's a fair old list Bubba do you know what sort of weight is in all of that.
 

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Well this is my list of things I will be putting in/on or already in my BOB to get me to my BOL (Assuming that the 2 1/2 hour drive will take me 7 days plus on foot). Now I know some things are missing, and that some things probably wont fit, but this is my ideal list. Any thoughts or opinions? I am always looking to improve!

Food -
1. 3600 emergency ration bars x 4
2. Whey protein powder
3. 3 days dehydrated food
4. Olive oil (small bottle)
5. Spam singles x 5
6. Tuna pouch x 5

Water-
1. Life straw x 3
2. Water Filter
3. Water purification tabs
4. 3 Liter water pouch
5. Nalgene bottle
6. Folding Bucket

Cooking-
1. 2 sets of camping utensils
2. Salt/Pepper 2 in 1
3. Lighter
4. Camping stove
5. Stainless Steel bowl x 2
6. Sponge (cleaning)

Shelter-
1. 2 person tent
2. Emergency blankets x 2
3. Emergency tube tent
4. Cold weather sleeping bag
5. Ponchos x 2

Clothes-
1. Depends on weather at time of BO. (BOL has clothes for all 4 seasons)
2. Will pack clothes for season following the season during BO.
3. Bandana x 4

Medical-
1. First aid kit (see medical supply list)

Hygiene-
1. Toothbrush
2. Toothpaste
3. Floss
4. Deodorant
5. Nail clippers
6. Q-tips
7. Camping TP
8. Soap
9. Scissors for hair and beard
10. Bug repellant
11. Chap Stick x 2
12. Hand sanitizer
13. Small shovel (digging a latrine)

Tools-
1. Bolt cutters
2. Leatherman multi-tool
3. Zip ties
4. Twine
5. Paracord (100 feet)
6. Various knives (see weapons)
7. Super glue
8. Sewing kit
9. Screwdriver set (various bit held in handle)
10. Duct tape
11. Electrical tape
12. Lighter
13. Razor blades
14. Scissors
15. Permanent marker
16. Sven Saw (15in)
17. Compass
18. Machete (see weapons)
19. Hatchet
20. Fishing Kit
21. Work Gloves
22. Rat Traps

Personal Items-
1. Map of state/Cities between house and BOL
2. SAS survival guide (pocket edition)
3. Kindle Reader
4. Charging cords for phone/kindle
5. Wind up flashlight and Radio
6. Deck of Cards
7. Sudoku puzzle book (pocket sized)
8. Flash drive with all personal information
9. Hard copies of all personal information
10. Digital Camera
11. Spare Watch
12. Knife Sharpener
13. Thermometer
14. iPod and earphones
15. Pen and paper
16. Earplugs
17. Sunglasses
18. Sunscreen

Barter-
1. Tobacco
2. Pipes
3. Lighters
4. Cheap Knifes
5. Silver quarters

Weapons-
1. 4 foot oak staff (non-lethal)
2. 9mm Pistol (lethal) (200 rounds)
3. Various Knives (lethal/non-lethal) (see tools)
4. Sling shot (200 rounds)
5. Machete (see tools)
6. Compound Bow (20 arrows)
7. .22lr Rifle (1000 rounds)

Communication-
1. 2-way crank radios
2. Signal flares x 4
3. Signal mirror
4. Glow Sticks
5. Emergency radio
6. Laser pointer
7. Smoke Signal
8. Crank Battery Charger

Fire-
1. Lighters x 4
2. Cotton balls in petroleum jelly
3. Magnesium fire starter
4. Dryer lint
5. Striker tool
6. Water proof matches
That's a fair old list Bubba do you know what sort of weight is in all of that.
 

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Yeah thats why I was saying somethings might not make the cut... I don't know what it all weighs together because I don't have everything and/or its not actually packed in the bag yet. Once I get the entire thing assembled I will make my cuts and substitutions.
 

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If this is all being stored in the vehicle I would say go for it. Make a seperate bag of "must haves" to be the essential BOB. If it all makes it to your destination great. If going by foot you will need to loose half of what you have. Also, check the distance the crank radios work. I have not personally seen any that have any type of range that warrants having them. Most I have seen are nothing more than toy grade junk. Thanks for sharing your list. I need to get my list off from my old laptop and put it up to get a critique!!
 

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I have humped with 60 pounds on a 200 mile, 2 week long trip. It wasn't that bad. I am going to get it all packed up and take it out for a weekend and see how it fares.

Trapper why do you say only take half? Is it based on weight?
 

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My comment was based on weight and also redundancy or acutal need of equipment. The lighter the pack the faster you can move, have less fatigue and less chance for injury (strained back or twist an ankle). I will give my opinions based on each section you listed, however these are MY opinions nothing more. You need to be able to justify equipment on your own needs.....

Food: If your walking 7 days you WILL need more. Look at almonds, hard candy, tea bags, MRE's (although I dont like them), Oatmeal packets.
Alot of that you could grab as you leave the door headed out.
Water: Good coverage, maybe add a camel-bak. Easy to carry and dispense.
Cooking: Looks ok. Get 2 18oz stainless cups with folding handles. You can cook in them over open fire or camp stove. Bowls are hard to use, no handle, and spill easier. I learned this the hard way on long canoeing trips.
Hygiene: Looks good. Ditch the shovel. I would not take time to bury. Do business in the bush and move on. Shovel should be in the BOL.

Tools: You have a bolt cutter, hatchet, machete, sven saw. I would only take the sven saw as its the safest tool to use. If a 2nd tool was needed I would take the hatchet. Even with that dont spend alot of time and energy cutting fire wood. Grab what easy and breakable by hand. Fires should be small and for cooking only. Remember, your on the move.... I dont see much need anywhere a machete is an important tool. Its not like your going to be chopping your way through a jungle. You also list "various knives". How many do you need? I carry a pocket knife in my pocket. A folding filet knife and a heavier bladed utility knife in my pack. Dont need both duct tape and electical tape. Ditch the twine, already have paracord. Carry 2 compasses, even if the 2nd is a small clip on ball one. Fishing kit, make it small. You can put enough in an altoids tin to do the job. You want to concentrate on catching several small easy fish rather than 1 big one.

Weapons: What is the sling shot for? Accuracy is poor and effective range is limited. Do you have martial arts training in using a 4 foot staff? If not ditch it for a can of OC pepper spray. Get a 2oz can the same as LE carry. Good for multiple sprays and effective. Compound bow and 20 arrows is alot of weight and bulky. If you can get to take it in the vehicle great. Something I would not want to carry in a bugout situation (I bowhunt alot). Not saying the bow does not have its place, just not carrying it for a week.

Communications:1. 2-way crank radios, are they any good? Have you tested to see how far they work? Unless they are good for a mile they are useless. What are the signal flares for?? What is the laser pointer for? What is the smoke signal for? This is not a military operation..... Alot of weight with minimal chance of need for these items.
Barter: Your on the move. Avoid contact with people as they will become a threat. If they think you have goodies they will try to take them away. Remember your trying to cover ground as fast as possible. The more contacts the longer the trip.
Personal Items: Very subjective area. Take what you think you need. Enough said.....
Fire: Good to go....

Dont take my opinions personal as I know I listed alot here. I also have to keep in mind I dont know your background, accomplishments, limitations and where you are traveling. Based on those factors my opinions may not mean much!!
 

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My comment was based on weight and also redundancy or acutal need of equipment. The lighter the pack the faster you can move, have less fatigue and less chance for injury (strained back or twist an ankle). I will give my opinions based on each section you listed, however these are MY opinions nothing more. You need to be able to justify equipment on your own needs.....
That is just what I was asking for, other peoples opinions count when putting something like this together. You might think you have everything perfect but if you would have only asked, you could have gained a lot of useful information!

Food: If your walking 7 days you WILL need more. Look at almonds, hard candy, tea bags, MRE's (although I dont like them), Oatmeal packets.
Alot of that you could grab as you leave the door headed out.
If you look at the front pouch on the bag, it is actually a secondary bag. I do have a lot of snack type items in that pouch. Like Grits, yum!

Water: Good coverage, maybe add a camel-bak. Easy to carry and dispense.
It has one built into the pack, I just keep the tube inside the pack so my dog/cat doesn't get to it.

Cooking: Looks ok. Get 2 18oz stainless cups with folding handles. You can cook in them over open fire or camp stove. Bowls are hard to use, no handle, and spill easier. I learned this the hard way on long canoeing trips.
This is actually what I meant by bowls, for some reason the word pot was just not coming to me.


Hygiene: Looks good. Ditch the shovel. I would not take time to bury. Do business in the bush and move on. Shovel should be in the BOL.
Good point, and I don't know many people that can look at human poop and determine that it didn't come from an animal. Shovel out!

Tools: You have a bolt cutter, hatchet, machete, sven saw. I would only take the sven saw as its the safest tool to use. If a 2nd tool was needed I would take the hatchet. Even with that dont spend alot of time and energy cutting fire wood. Grab what easy and breakable by hand. Fires should be small and for cooking only. Remember, your on the move.... I dont see much need anywhere a machete is an important tool. Its not like your going to be chopping your way through a jungle. You also list "various knives". How many do you need? I carry a pocket knife in my pocket. A folding filet knife and a heavier bladed utility knife in my pack. Dont need both duct tape and electical tape. Ditch the twine, already have paracord. Carry 2 compasses, even if the 2nd is a small clip on ball one. Fishing kit, make it small. You can put enough in an altoids tin to do the job. You want to concentrate on catching several small easy fish rather than 1 big one.
The bolt cutter, hatchet, machete, and sven saw are all things I have yet to buy. I do like the idea of just carrying the sven saw and the hatchet. I would actually prefer to start as few fires as possible :)
By various knives I just meant my edc knives. These are them, I threw in my new to me gerber tool.


I actually have 4 compasses, but don't tell my wife! haha. Yes the fishing kit is in a altoids tin already!

Weapons: What is the sling shot for? Accuracy is poor and effective range is limited. Do you have martial arts training in using a 4 foot staff? If not ditch it for a can of OC pepper spray. Get a 2oz can the same as LE carry. Good for multiple sprays and effective. Compound bow and 20 arrows is alot of weight and bulky. If you can get to take it in the vehicle great. Something I would not want to carry in a bugout situation (I bowhunt alot). Not saying the bow does not have its place, just not carrying it for a week.
I have been hunting with a sling shot since I was a child, and I am very accurate with it. Most people say that it isn't accurate, just haven't used them long enough! I have done martial arts since I was 7, I have been training everyday for 19 years. I can handle the jo-staff, thought about making a bo staff instead. (longer range) Yeah the bow was added as an after thought, it probably wont make the cut.

Communications:1. 2-way crank radios, are they any good? Have you tested to see how far they work? Unless they are good for a mile they are useless. What are the signal flares for?? What is the laser pointer for? What is the smoke signal for? This is not a military operation..... Alot of weight with minimal chance of need for these items.
Its Oklahoma man.... I can see 20 miles in every direction its so flat here. haha Yeah we have gotten the radios up to 5 miles before they started freaking out on us. That was out while hunting, so we were in the forest.
The other items are more for an alternative communication system for my wife and I. To answer the individual questions. If she and I aren't close at night and she sees the signal flare (the kind that you hold in your hand and it gives off a huge red light), she knows to hide and/or get away. If I let of the smoke signal in the middle of the day, it means the same thing. The laser pointer is to let her know it is me approaching.

Barter: Your on the move. Avoid contact with people as they will become a threat. If they think you have goodies they will try to take them away. Remember your trying to cover ground as fast as possible. The more contacts the longer the trip.
I will get to those at the end.

Personal Items: Very subjective area. Take what you think you need. Enough said.....
Fire: Good to go....
I will get to the personal stuff at the end as well.

Dont take my opinions personal as I know I listed alot here. I also have to keep in mind I dont know your background, accomplishments, limitations and where you are traveling. Based on those factors my opinions may not mean much!!
Well I thank you for taking the time to write that all out! And no nothing personal, you wrote out exactly what I was looking for. I wasn't looking for someone to praise my bag I was looking for someone to give me their thought and opinions so that I could reevaluate my bag. BOBs are ever changing things.

Okay so now onto some information that I should include. The bag contents wont all go into mine, Some of it will be split into her bag. But not very much, she is 5'4" and 97 pounds and I am 6'5" and 300 pounds. I can carry a lot of weight for long distances.
We will have to move slow no matter what or I will be carrying my wife. She has a condition where she blacks out if she over exerts herself. We have been to numerous doctors, not much they can do other than give her a steroid shot.
We will be taking the truck if we can if not and we are on foot (meaning the bicycles didn't make it) we will be sticking close to the railroad. It is a single track line that runs from my back yard to within 5 miles of my BOL.
As far as the personal items and barter items go, the bag is meant to be two things (or that is how I want it to be) It will be for use on trek from our home to our BOL, but at the same time I hope it could keep us going for a long time. I would hate to have a bag designed for only 1 week out on the road only to find out that I have to spend the foreseeable future on the road. Also I want the other personal items just incase the reason I BO is for a localized issue.
 

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Im from the north so I eat oatmeal, not grits (blaah)! LOL...
Your pic is the same cup I use in my bag. I love that thing. My wife and I use them all the time. Even if they get sooty from a fire they clean right up.
Sorry to hear that about your wife. Come hell or high water you defenitely need to travel by vehicle given her condition. Is the railroad bed vehicle worthy? We have an old rail bed turned into a bike route. It is pretty nice going, even good enough to drive a regular car on. If the roads are impassible, maybe thats an option.
 

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No I couldn't drive the truck down the railroad bed. Cant even drive next to the railroad, way too many bridges. What I did last week when I was headed out to my BOL, I stopped on the highway every 20 miles (used the mile markers) and marked a tree near the base. and then buried a piece of laminated paper that had the direction to the railroad and the distance. Then wrote in my notebook, which mile markers I put them at (Mind you this took all effing day.) Even had the highway patrol stop me and ask me what I was doing a few times. I told them I was taking pictures for my class. But I marked all of this down and buried it all so that if we get going on the highway but we cant get the entire way to the BOL we can make it to the railroad and be off the well beaten path.
 

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