Nuclear War & Survival Help

[Selivan]

now I will tell you a terrible tale.
Once...
Rothschild and Rockefeller looked across the ocean and saw "The Island of America" ...
And they said:
- we will breed Elephants and Donkeys on this island.
- we will call it "Freedom and Democracy"
- Let the workers choose elephants or donkeys and fight with each other.
Rothschild breeds Elephants, and Rockefeller breeds Donkeys.

 

[Jayson]

Lewis Carroll modeled Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum after the Republicans and Democrats.

 

[Selivan]

where is more Freedom? In America or Russia.
Simple test
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Imagine that some American citizen is running for President of the United States.
In his speech, he promises:
- we must return Alaska to Russia
- we must allow Russia to use America's internal resources for "studying the Russian world" (propaganda)
- we must give freedom to the Lakota Indians
- We must return Texas to Mesica.
-----
Can such a person run for US President?
not
======
now, analogy in Russia
The man is running for the Presidency and promises:
- we must give Crimea to Ukraine.
- we must allow Americans to engage in propaganda
- we must give freedom to Chechnya ..

can such a person run for president of Russia?

Yes

Where is more Freedom?
In America or Russia?

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

Ran across this article and it had in it a few things I had not thought of yet...like I did not know that mixing a (CLEAN)heavy clay soil into water would cause the radiation to bind to the clay and make it safe (er) to drink.

https://www.newsweek.com/nuclear-war-bombs-us-safest-place-protection-1750293
https://www.fema.gov/sites/default/files/documents/fema_nuc-detonation-planning-guide.pdf

 

[imaginejohn]

The non-proliferation treaty does not make the world a safer place.

Nuclear weapons are the best guarantee a nation state has against invasion from another nation state. It's why dictatorships clamor after them and democracies won't let go of them. There is one exception to this rule, as with all rules.

If every nation state had nuclear weapons, and formed into two general alliances, ir the west versus the rest, the world would be a safer place.

And there also would have been no recent wars in iraq, syria, afghanistan, etc and recently ukraine.

 

[poltiregist]

Thanks imaginejohn for thrusting this thread back out . Now that a Nuclear World War 3 probability has increased dramatically , there should be plenty of prepper strategies on how we plan to face our Nuclear futures .

 

[imaginejohn]

youre welcome but just one more indulgence if I may...

if we scrapped the non-proliferation treaty and shared out the warheads so every nation state had some and the means of deploying them that would end war

however, i suspect our governments do not want an end to war. maybe even quite enjoy them.

but back to WW3 probability...

if you are above ground then your days are numbered and it is pointless planning beyond a cyanide pill...

the very rich are well placed to survive in their underground citadels. if you can locate where these are then plan how to get yourself in, by hook or by crook...

 

[poltiregist]

I hope all of our members have taken this threat serious and have their families supply of potassium iodide pills on hand .--- Just saw your last post imaginejohn . You could be correct about everyone above ground dying , but that will not stop my tribe or myself from trying to survive . We have been prepping for this for decades .

 

[imaginejohn]

I admire your optimism despite the odds, because that mindset has a positive effect on all areas of life and maybe, just maybe some unanticipated series of events combine together to make survival viable. i dont think it will but dont begrudge the idea of you having the last laugh

 

[poltiregist]

An " unofficial " report reached me that for the most part the planet was in DEFCON 2 and possibly may still be . Remember DEFCON 1 is whereas a nuclear war is imminent . No country will announce their DEFCON level as they don't want to announce this to the enemy or to frighten the peasants . Preppers do as the word says " they prepare " . Those that are just now waking up to their failure to prepare " are in a bind " . Sadly as the desperate unprepared face power gone , water gone , food gone , fuel gone they will become a liability to the prepared and perhaps will be looking down gun barrels at each other . -- On a more personal note , I milked my goat yesterday , tended to my honey bees and have in place two alternative water sources for when the bomb drops . Just to point out the difference between a prepper and those that just talked about preparing .

 

[poltiregist]

Here in the United States , I understand targets will be the bridges crossing the Mississippi River . The purpose is to divide the country as for as travel . There are 21 bridges counting vehicle and railroad bridges . Also for targeting are major interstate intersections further crippling civilian as well as military ground travel . On top of that consider without electricity ALL the gas stations will be down . I witnessed this after Hurricane Katrina as a college took up funds and sent me into the aftermath delivering food . For hundreds of miles ALL gas stations were closed and with armed guards inside the gas stations guarding their precious commodity . -- The point being those planning to flee to somewhere they consider more survivable may find their plan to be a failure . This scenario would undoubtably be played out , in all the countries sucked into World War 3 .

 

[Proud Prepper]

Here in the United States , I understand targets will be the bridges crossing the Mississippi River . The purpose is to divide the country as for as travel . There are 21 bridges counting vehicle and railroad bridges . Also for targeting are major interstate intersections further crippling civilian as well as military ground travel . On top of that consider without electricity ALL the gas stations will be down . I witnessed this after Hurricane Katrina as a college took up funds and sent me into the aftermath delivering food . For hundreds of miles ALL gas stations were closed and with armed guards inside the gas stations guarding their precious commodity . -- The point being those planning to flee to somewhere they consider more survivable may find their plan to be a failure . This scenario would undoubtably be played out , in all the countries sucked into World War 3 .

That's a concern I have, my secondary buyout location in the Ozarks is on the west side of the Mississippi River from where my main home and lake house are on the east side. I hope I can foresee that kind of escalation and get to my last refuge, before we are cutoff.

 

[poltiregist]

That's a concern I have, my secondary buyout location in the Ozarks is on the west side of the Mississippi River from where my main home and lake house are on the east side. I hope I can foresee that kind of escalation and get to my last refuge, before we are cutoff.

I am already hunkered down in the Ozarks . This area is basically the go to place for preppers . The second big area for preppers is the Rocky Mountains . As you may be aware , when the Covid outbreak began in the United States , the Ozarks was swamped by imaginary preppers that thought they could simply drive to the Ozarks , park their vehicles , grab their bug out bags and run into the forests . It was so bad the Govenor closed down all public lands " state and federal " and had their vehicles towed away .It was decreed illegal to rent to " out of state people " anywhere for them to sleep such as cabins and motels . A store clerk told me it was like a swarm of locust descending upon them as they desperately came in buying up food or anything else camping related . -- One or two nights in the tick infested Ozarks and their bug out game was over .

 

[GaRp58]

The world of "wanna-be-survivors" is full of such stupid folks. Thinking they will do the Rambo thing with a big knife against the world....and a few ticks or bit of rain spoiled their picnic????

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

There are a few of us who could brave the wild and have done it; complainers need not apply.

As for nuke preps. Potassium Iodide is just the start. Radiation poisoning happens because the radiation can piggy-back on certain vitamins/minerals/elements and thus, get absorbed into the body. By making sure your nutritional gas tank is full up so to speak, you can minimize the effect. It is the concept behind taking KI.

I would have to go back and look at my notes as to which does what but, we keep on hand N-acetyl, L-Tyrosine, melatonin, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Calcium, amongst others.

Regarding the Mississippi, firmly planted on the west side as recommended by JWR.

Extra supply of diesel stored, Four runners, Dirt bikes, UTV and horses also an option.

One location for if the prevailing winds are from the North, east or west, another safe location if the winds are from due N, E, W or S. Most (NE, SW, NW, SE) probably good on the second from any direction really due to remoteness. Could be in a "safe zone" within 15 to travel between and not have to cross through a hot zone. Bug out bag, animals, and go. Supplies enough at both locations.

 

[poltiregist]

My tribe of 14 are beginning to circle the wagons . One of the adult males is coming in tonight and quitting his high paying job of lead tankerman with a riverboat company . He plans to be closer to our retreat when the Nuking starts . A second adult male made it in from a few hundred miles away last night and has in a job application for a local job . A third adult male is bringing in a camper onto our retreat to stay in next Monday . A fourth adult male has already let his job go so as to be closer , but has managed to accumulate enough funds to not need a job for a few months . -- oops I just heard something rumbling , " for real " in the direction I would expect a bomb to explode .

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

I believe that it is far more likely that a HEMP will be used rather than a conventional Nuclear weapon. Grid down and Mad Maxx one way or the other.

Here is why.

Russia is the leading manufacturer of vacuum tubes. Their electrical grid is antiquated and still manually operated/not connected to the internet. It makes it impervious to cyber attack or significant long term effects from an EMP. We could blow all of their tubes and they replace them in an hour or two.

They EMP the US or Europe, taking out the electrical grid and the only way we could inflict equal damage on them would be to use an ICBM, which makes us into the "bad guys" as the radiation floats around the globe. Check mate.

 

[Propwash]

..if you are above ground then your days are numbered..

Better dig in..-

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

Better dig in..-
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I believe that is a picture from David Koresh's compound in Waco? Or maybe just a copy cat. Not enough cover on that roof for radiation protection. No 90 degree turns at the entrance to keep out gamma particles either. Cute idea but, for a nuke event...fail.

 

[Propwash]

I feel a prophecy coming on about the end of the world!-
"Pray that this will not take place in winter, because those will be days of distress unequalled from the beginning until now, and never to be equalled again.
If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive.
But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.
Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come.
What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!"- Jesus of Nazareth, Mark ch 13