I have run out of time this morning I have a few things I need to go do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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TexasFreedom
A True Doomsday Prepper
GG, I 100% agree with you. There are a 100 ways to look at it, but it all comes to the same. I think we just don't agree on how to address this problem. My thinking is that eliminating all forms of gov't welfare (that does not include SS) is the solution. People (legal & illegals) won't have a motive to do nothing. That means going to work. Either for a company or starting your own. I can't tell you how many people I know who do everything from mowing lawns to IT support to plumbing as their own boss, either as a primary or to supplement their income. Yes, it will be a rough start but our nation will be 1000% better for it.
There are times when you have to take whatever job you can find. Doesn't mean you have to stay there.
I've worked for $1.10 an hour working a road crew for the city. They were exempt from minimum wage. I haven't flipped burgers but I've worked a lot of different jobs across the whole spectrum. I moved up from the road crew to a factory job, then from that to a hospital job, and kept moving up a little bit at a time until I was a college professor and then an IT director.
I've worked for $1.10 an hour working a road crew for the city. They were exempt from minimum wage. I haven't flipped burgers but I've worked a lot of different jobs across the whole spectrum. I moved up from the road crew to a factory job, then from that to a hospital job, and kept moving up a little bit at a time until I was a college professor and then an IT director.
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Arcticdude
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No need for name calling GG. We just have a difference of opinion. But it really is that simple to be making 50k by the time your in yours 30's. Especially in today's economy. I surpassed it in my mid 20's, 36 years ago. It just takes hard work, doing what your boss tells you, keep your mouth shut, look for opportunities and to have a skill that is in demand. I started my career as a welders helper in a shop that manufactured logging, mining and heavy construction equipment. I learned how to weld on my own time, became a certified welder then a fabricator, worked every hour of over time that I could get and eventually moved up in to management. All over a 13 year period.
I think the real "morons" are those who are too lazy to achieve any real success in life, and then sit around whining about those of us who have.
The bottom line for me is that my family is healthy, happy and successful. And none of them have ever stepped foot in a college, but they did learn a strong work ethic at an early age.
do you even pay attention to what you say???????????????????
it is not all about what you have accomplished,
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I am talking about Joe Average who might not have finished High School
everyone does not have the same opportunities ,lack of education or they just are not able to get a higher paying job,or location and the jobs are just not there and then there are those who simply are not smart enough to do much more than be the cart boy at Walmart,,,it is all factors in on how far a person can go
employers take advantage of workers everyday if you quit there is always someone else who will take your place,,,it's why wages are low at so many places,you are easily replaced
now you will come back with something along the lines of,,,go finish school,or they are lazy or move to a different area,,,,
yup,,,,,,,,,,,,,you know it all
you have a answer for everything
Most of them have degrees that can't be used in the real world.
Arcticdude
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Well GG I don't give a shit about "Joe average". Just my family.
No, I don't know everything, but I do know what it takes to be successful; hard work, commitment, no lazy gene and time. Yes, anyone can be successful in life if they apply themselves.
and there is the problem I have with you in a nutshell,,,all that matters to you is you and yours ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I have never had much use for self centered people
you once off handed called me a Socialist ,,,,even though I am not I would rather be that than you,,,,,,,,and I doubt you have half of what you claim to,,,,,,,,
Foolishness. Your both talking past each other. GG, don't let anger influence your decisions, let it fuel your determination.
it's not anger,,,,,,,,,,it is disgust/disappointment in another person who at one time I liked and considered somewhat a friend here on DDP,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,nothing more
Arcticdude
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That's too bad GG. You and I have a difference in opinion, that's all. It shouldn't get anyone too upset. I don't dislike you because we have a different outlook on life. Like you've said before; nothing is going to change. I'm pretty sure that we both have more in common than not.
I make no excuses that I put my family first. Always have and always will.
there is nothing wrong with family first,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I just can't turn a cold heart to those less fortunate than myself,so much so that I between 45 to 65k in the hole ,,,,no regrets
in 2004 I retired with enough to live a modest life style,a few bad investments and I am back where I was in 1992 starting over,,,the difference is I don't have 20 good years left in me,,,I might have 10
KateMTx
A True Doomsday Prepper
This give and take over salary is part of the market, though. If you wanted a particular individual to work with you on the ranch, you were going to have to pay him what he wanted to make. And if he wanted to work with you, he was going to have to accept what you were willing to pay. This happens everywhere on a larger scale to set pay rates for different jobs. I have noticed that in my current job market, we have to pay significantly more for even basic level workers because unemployment is so low that there are plenty of job options out there if they leave us. But in areas where unemployment is high, like where I used to live, pay rates were lower because unemployed people often have to accept any job that is offered, even if it doesn't pay as much as they want. But anywhere, in order to get the better employees, you often have to pay more because otherwise they will go elsewhere.
tmttactical
A True Doomsday Prepper
Career=== Started working for dad at 10. First private sector job, Kitchen aid in hospital, then a bus boy, ramp cleaner for airline, Overhead Door installer / repair technician, Facility Maintenance Technician, Facility Maintenance Supervisor, Vacuum Maintenance Supervisor, Owner CMMS & EMS(Computer Maintenance Management Software - Energy management Software) implementation company, and finally Facilities Maintenance Director.
Various careers, different skills required and different pay grades. Only once in my career did I work more than 3 years at the same company. I did what was needed to advance in my career. I did not want or need the government to force my employers to pay me more. Every time I changed companies (employers) I typically got a minimum of a 10% pay increase.
When more money presented itself, I improved my skills to qualify for it. If you want the bucks, then you have to be willing to do whatever it requires to get the bucks. More eduction, more skills, job changes, home location changes. Move to where the jobs are. Learn the skills needed. You get paid what you are willing to accept. One company I worked for stated they had never paid what I was asking, bottom line, they ended up paying me what I was asking, simply because I had the skills they needed and refused to accept a lower pay standard.
Want more, be worth more and know your value. The best dish washer in the world is still a minimum wage skill set. Know where the jobs are and learn those skills.
Various careers, different skills required and different pay grades. Only once in my career did I work more than 3 years at the same company. I did what was needed to advance in my career. I did not want or need the government to force my employers to pay me more. Every time I changed companies (employers) I typically got a minimum of a 10% pay increase.
When more money presented itself, I improved my skills to qualify for it. If you want the bucks, then you have to be willing to do whatever it requires to get the bucks. More eduction, more skills, job changes, home location changes. Move to where the jobs are. Learn the skills needed. You get paid what you are willing to accept. One company I worked for stated they had never paid what I was asking, bottom line, they ended up paying me what I was asking, simply because I had the skills they needed and refused to accept a lower pay standard.
Want more, be worth more and know your value. The best dish washer in the world is still a minimum wage skill set. Know where the jobs are and learn those skills.
TexasFreedom
A True Doomsday Prepper
First my hat off to all of you making this a meaningful discussion. Not insulting one another (for the most part). Not going crazy. But having a good discussion.
GG, it's interesting how you are taking the worst-case scenario for everything. Doesn't finish school, can't move, not smart, … At some point you are just coming up with excuses. But yes, there are a small number of people who draw the short straw in life. Retarded orphan handicapped eunuchs will not have a great career path. That's ok, that's what local charities are there to help.
I think the difference is that you're looking at a worst-case scenario. For example you said 'joe average who might not have finished high school'. That is a contradiction. 80%+ of kids graduate high school, so the 'average joe' has a high school diploma. The average Joe is smart enough to do more than cart boy at Walmart.
Others (including me) are looking the majority who ARE capable but unwilling. Pick your reason, it doesn't matter. Stubborn, lazy, misguided, unlucky... It does not matter the reason. A full 90% of people could have the success that AD has or that I've had or that Doc has. All of us are saying that the fight in a man can exceed the circumstances he starts in if he's willing to do the work it takes. Sure, there are some people born with a silver spoon who only have to avoid suicide to be considered a success; and there are other people orphaned/abused/uneducated who had to claw and fight every inch of the way.
Our point is that there is a path for nearly everyone to go from the gutter to 'success'. But it usually involves a whole lot of sweat equity. And that applies to the real 'average joe'.
GG, it's interesting how you are taking the worst-case scenario for everything. Doesn't finish school, can't move, not smart, … At some point you are just coming up with excuses. But yes, there are a small number of people who draw the short straw in life. Retarded orphan handicapped eunuchs will not have a great career path. That's ok, that's what local charities are there to help.
I think the difference is that you're looking at a worst-case scenario. For example you said 'joe average who might not have finished high school'. That is a contradiction. 80%+ of kids graduate high school, so the 'average joe' has a high school diploma. The average Joe is smart enough to do more than cart boy at Walmart.
Others (including me) are looking the majority who ARE capable but unwilling. Pick your reason, it doesn't matter. Stubborn, lazy, misguided, unlucky... It does not matter the reason. A full 90% of people could have the success that AD has or that I've had or that Doc has. All of us are saying that the fight in a man can exceed the circumstances he starts in if he's willing to do the work it takes. Sure, there are some people born with a silver spoon who only have to avoid suicide to be considered a success; and there are other people orphaned/abused/uneducated who had to claw and fight every inch of the way.
Our point is that there is a path for nearly everyone to go from the gutter to 'success'. But it usually involves a whole lot of sweat equity. And that applies to the real 'average joe'.
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BULLSHIT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,YOU ARE LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD WHERE EVERYTHING IS PERFECT
BULLSHIT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,YOU ARE LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD WHERE EVERYTHING IS PERFECT
no one wants to be poor ,,,, I live in a small community there is not a lot here the vast majority of the jobs here are low paying jobs,the largest employers within 50 miles are Walmart and several chicken processing plants,top end of the pay scale for most workers tops out at around $12.50 per hour,,,,,a long damned way from 50k a year,but it is what is here so the people deal with it most households with 2 working are hard pressed to make 40k a year,,,,,,,,,,
as for,,,,,,,,,,,,,, everyone does not have the same opportunities ,lack of education or they just are not able to get a higher paying job,or location and the jobs are just not there and then there are those who simply are not smart enough to do much more than be the cart boy at Walmart,,
I know the cart boy at Walmart he is 35 to 40 years old and spends his working hours dragging in carts for customers to use,,,he is not all there I don't know if it is from an injury or he was born this way but all he will ever be is the cart boy at Walmart
I think that pretty much covers my whole damned statement now doesn't it,,,????????????????????????
this is not the only area like this in the USA they are scattered all over the USA and the cart boy at the local Walmart is not an anomaly there are thousands of him scattered around the USA and they are willing workers,,,,,,,
you and AD think you know it all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you don't
as for,,,,,,,,,,,,,, everyone does not have the same opportunities ,lack of education or they just are not able to get a higher paying job,or location and the jobs are just not there and then there are those who simply are not smart enough to do much more than be the cart boy at Walmart,,
I know the cart boy at Walmart he is 35 to 40 years old and spends his working hours dragging in carts for customers to use,,,he is not all there I don't know if it is from an injury or he was born this way but all he will ever be is the cart boy at Walmart
I think that pretty much covers my whole damned statement now doesn't it,,,????????????????????????
this is not the only area like this in the USA they are scattered all over the USA and the cart boy at the local Walmart is not an anomaly there are thousands of him scattered around the USA and they are willing workers,,,,,,,
you and AD think you know it all,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you don't
I lost my ### after I moved here,,,,,my problem no one else's ,,,I own my home and I decided to stay put,,also my problem,I have spent the last few years working a shit job because there was nothing else,,still my problem,,,,,
but I took my SSI early so I could get out of my hole,,yeah the lawn service ,,,, this is a tourist area lots of people who have money own a vacation home in the area,it is also a retirement community ,both factions need their grass cut,it is seasonal work no one is going to get rich but because my needs are not great it works out for me
now I know it is not big money but I figure 30k cutting lawns plus SSI is not a bad living and better than most around here will be taking home not to mention the 5 month yearly vacation you get when the grass doesn't grow
it is not a bad life,now to some of you it is chump change,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but life is what you make of it
but I took my SSI early so I could get out of my hole,,yeah the lawn service ,,,, this is a tourist area lots of people who have money own a vacation home in the area,it is also a retirement community ,both factions need their grass cut,it is seasonal work no one is going to get rich but because my needs are not great it works out for me
now I know it is not big money but I figure 30k cutting lawns plus SSI is not a bad living and better than most around here will be taking home not to mention the 5 month yearly vacation you get when the grass doesn't grow
it is not a bad life,now to some of you it is chump change,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but life is what you make of it
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