Explosion in Antarctic sea ice levels may cause another ice age

[DrHenley]

Wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to try talking rationally about the problems and come up with an agreement of something like one child per family, vs letting people starve miserably? I agree that getting the different religions and groups to all agree on something isn’t going to be a likely thing, but at least trying to seems a lot more compassionate than seeing people starve to death.

Brent, a few inconvenient facts:

1) China has admitted that their "One Child" policy was a mistake on many levels. The problems it has created are going to haunt them for generations to come.

2) China and India, the two most heavily populated countries on earth, (over 1.3 billion people each) are both self sufficient in food production at the moment. In China, the big problem right now is that their grain surplus is so large they are worried that grain prices will crash which could limit production. India has a different problem: Farmers have been dumping excess production and quitting farming because of low food prices.

3) Texas alone could feed nearly half the world's population.

 

[TexasFreedom]

It’s easy to find a few articles on the world is getting colder. The fact still is that 90+ percent of studies say it’s getting warmer and dryer, and ocean levels are going to get higher. I’m always going to side with the majority of the scientific communities over a political parties opinions.
There is no doubt in my mind that the overpopulation of the world is the cause of ominous changes to our planet. Less deforestation, cleaner fuels, etc. are all good ideas. The number one thing that would help the most though I never hear anyone talk about. Birth control would solve most of the problems we are currently and will face down the road. If we lowered the number of people by 50% the world would be much more sustainable. Currently populations continue to explode world wide. Of course there are some minor exceptions, but overall people need to slow down on procreation.

Overall that is pretty funny. Every study that looks at sun activity can correlate our 'climate' with the sun's activity. So no matter what 'man' does, the Sun trumps our activities. For population control, then you should be a huge fan of abortions, wars, oppressive gov'ts, and epidemics? Oh, and suicide. Stop all vaccines in 3rd world countries. Don't give them clean water or indoor plumbing or food. How does that sound for a great feel-good socialist agenda? IOW, Socialism IS great for ecology! (more dead people = better for the planet)

 

[Brent S]

Overall that is pretty funny. Every study that looks at sun activity can correlate our 'climate' with the sun's activity. So no matter what 'man' does, the Sun trumps our activities. For population control, then you should be a huge fan of abortions, wars, oppressive gov'ts, and epidemics? Oh, and suicide. Stop all vaccines in 3rd world countries. Don't give them clean water or indoor plumbing or food. How does that sound for a great feel-good socialist agenda? IOW, Socialism IS great for ecology! (more dead people = better for the planet)

I will give you the fact that the sun is a huge factor in the planets overall health. One massive solar storm could wipe out mankind. But it’s a factor we cannot control, and is by no means the only factor that affects the earth. We are changing the environment adversely, and causing species to go extinct at unprecedented levels. Sure, an dasteroid or mega volcano can wipe us out too, but that doesn’t mean we should ignore what our own actions are causing.
Don’t get me wrong here, I like electricity and air conditioning. I’m the last one that wants to give up the comforts of our modern world. I just know it’s time that we start aggressively moving towards cleaner ways to sustain them.
I also know that restrictions on births is opening a can of worms. No group wants their rights infringed upon. Who decides what’s fair and to whom? All I know for sure is that population control is a way to really help the strain on our resources. I’m really surprised no one wants to even talk about it. I’m also open to better alternatives.

 

[Brent S]

Brent, a few inconvenient facts:

1) China has admitted that their "One Child" policy was a mistake on many levels. The problems it has created are going to haunt them for generations to come.

2) China and India, the two most heavily populated countries on earth, (over 1.3 billion people each) are both self sufficient in food production at the moment. In China, the big problem right now is that their grain surplus is so large they are worried that grain prices will crash which could limit production. India has a different problem: Farmers have been dumping excess production and quitting farming because of low food prices.

3) Texas alone could feed nearly half the world's population.

I’ve never read that China has said the policies were bad. I believed they just finally caved in to outside influence and political will against it. I still think it was a responsible and reasonable policy to help with the overpopulation issues. When people started aborting females at alarming rates so that their only child could be male, well, that was a messed up side affect.
All I know is right now in England and the US young, uneducated and unemployed girls are paid by welfare to continue having children. That’s messed up on so many levels it’s insane.

 

[GaRp58]

What a confused world, the workers are not paid enough to feed the world and the world is paying the lazy to not work. Margaret Thatcher once said, " the only problem with socialism is, eventually you run out of others peoples money" remember that? We need the production of capitalism, the healthiness of a Green party, the support of socialism, the strength of a dictator and the gentleness of a child president! What are we gonna call this new policy? Oh well, won't work anyway....GP

 

[Brent S]

What a confused world, the workers are not paid enough to feed the world and the world is paying the lazy to not work. Margaret Thatcher once said, " the only problem with socialism is, eventually you run out of others peoples money" remember that? We need the production of capitalism, the healthiness of a Green party, the support of socialism, the strength of a dictator and the gentleness of a child president! What are we gonna call this new policy? Oh well, won't work anyway....GP

Honestly, when I look at the issues facing the world and the way man has acted over time, I’m really glad I’m a prepper. I think the world dosent stand a chance....

 

[tmttactical]

Wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to try talking rationally about the problems and come up with an agreement of something like one child per family, vs letting people starve miserably? I agree that getting the different religions and groups to all agree on something isn’t going to be a likely thing, but at least trying to seems a lot more compassionate than seeing people starve to death.

China tried that "One Child" per family. All it did was get the female babies killed off. If a country like China can't enforce that policy, what nation on the planet can enforce it? Only by stopping the aid to these countries, will the population ever get under control. We are not responsible for every bodies problems. People need to take responsibility for their own actions.

 

[tmttactical]

Want to control the population, stop all forms of welfare -- nationally and internationally. Let them die off, simple, just as mother nature intended. Free money / support ends, then people will start becoming more responsible or will become extinct. Either way, civilization and the planet wins.

 

[DrHenley]

I’ve never read that China has said the policies were bad. I believed they just finally caved in to outside influence and political will against it.

Brent, please listen the truth. If you don't believe me, please please please Google the things I am about to tell you.
They changed it because they realized what the disastrous unintended consequences were, primarily the "4:2:1 Problem". (Please Google it so you can see that I am telling you the truth)
4 grandparents
2 parents
1 child
Children provide for parents and grandparents in China. With no brothers and sisters, one person now has to support six or more parents and grandparents and it is becoming an enormous burden on the current generation. And that is exacerbated by the fact that the life expectancy has increased dramatically. Even without the One-Child policy, birthrates are still falling and China may soon start to experience a drop in population. This will be disastrous for their economy because there won't be enough productive members of the population to support the increasingly older generation.

Then there is the "Missing Women of China" (please Google it so you'll know I am telling the truth)
With the one child policy, females were aborted and often killed after birth because, among other things, male children could better care for their parents (going back to the 4:2:1 problem). So now there is a huge disparity in the male:female ratio, which in turn has caused a whole host of new problems.

And the "Little Emperor Syndrome". (please Google it so you'll know I am not making this up)
With four grand parents and two parents doting on one child, especially a male child, many in the the younger generations are spoiled brats.

 

[TexasFreedom]

I will give you the fact that the sun is a huge factor in the planets overall health. One massive solar storm could wipe out mankind. But it’s a factor we cannot control, and is by no means the only factor that affects the earth. We are changing the environment adversely, and causing species to go extinct at unprecedented levels. Sure, an dasteroid or mega volcano can wipe us out too, but that doesn’t mean we should ignore what our own actions are causing.
Don’t get me wrong here, I like electricity and air conditioning. I’m the last one that wants to give up the comforts of our modern world. I just know it’s time that we start aggressively moving towards cleaner ways to sustain them.
I also know that restrictions on births is opening a can of worms. No group wants their rights infringed upon. Who decides what’s fair and to whom? All I know for sure is that population control is a way to really help the strain on our resources. I’m really surprised no one wants to even talk about it. I’m also open to better alternatives.

Laughing. You recognize that 98% of 'climate change' is from the Sun. But you think we should all do 'more' to solve that 2% problem. Oh, but don't touch your AC or lifestyle, make sure it comes out of someone else's lifestyle. Got it!

Want to control the population, stop all forms of welfare -- nationally and internationally. Let them die off, simple, just as mother nature intended. Free money / support ends, then people will start becoming more responsible or will become extinct. Either way, civilization and the planet wins.

Yup. Let them starve or die from stupidity. Don't care which. There is a middle ground: taxation. Great start, no welfare. But then the more kids a couple have, the more their taxes go up... inverse from today. It will discourage lots of kids without the brutality of China's methods. Brent really needs to push to ban vaccines as well. But, historically, war is the #1 method of population control. The real problem is that wars are too 'precise'... not near enough civilian deaths involved. We just need big, sloppy world wars. (I hope you catch a bit of sarcasm here...)

 

[Maverick]

4:2:1 Problem Ok, reverse it... Soylent Green

On a serious note;
Japan is in trouble because the young don't want to marry and have children in fact Japan stated it's a national crises because of an aging population, two years ago china stated that it's work force and military are aging and started offering benefits to parents for having 2 or three children.

 

[GaRp58]

The pyrimid in Germany is about to fall over also. The social security system here is built different than in the US. You don't pay just into a savings account and get certain benefits back in 3 different curves or bends. You pay into a system. The more you pay, the longer you pay and when you start drawing decides what you get out. The problem is, there are many retirees now drawing from the system. There are many more, living longer, with higher pay before than now, about to retire and many more younger
non-working, socially dependant persons NOT paying into the system and still drawing on it. The estimated discrepancy in the system is at 3 billion euros in the next years. Many on the bottom paying and a few on the top collecting is turning to many on the top instead and fewer on the bottom. Plus, later marriages, fewer births and less children per family. Not a bright future for my grandkids. I think I gotta prep more on the garden in Hungary...GP

 

[bigpaul]

the problem with the world today is too many people, 7 Billion and counting, that's too many for one planet.
in the UK we have more people than we can feed from the resources available, its only because we can import food and other stuff from abroad that its not a problem, as yet.
stop the imports and 75% of the UK population would starve and die.

 

[Proud Prepper]

The pyrimid in Germany is about to fall over also. The social security system here is built different than in the US. You don't pay just into a savings account and get certain benefits back in 3 different curves or bends. You pay into a system. The more you pay, the longer you pay and when you start drawing decides what you get out. The problem is, there are many retirees now drawing from the system. There are many more, living longer, with higher pay before than now, about to retire and many more younger
non-working, socially dependant persons NOT paying into the system and still drawing on it. The estimated discrepancy in the system is at 3 billion euros in the next years. Many on the bottom paying and a few on the top collecting is turning to many on the top instead and fewer on the bottom. Plus, later marriages, fewer births and less children per family. Not a bright future for my grandkids. I think I gotta prep more on the garden in Hungary...GP

Savings accounts in the social security system don't exist. The money is not saved or invested, its spent just as all other taxes. SS is a tax, with a promisary return determined by a simple majority vote of congress. Just another tax scam by our government to con more money from the working citizens of the USA.

 

[GaRp58]

75% of the UK population would starve and die.

Not long ago, read of a man visiting a friend in Lebanon. The friend was some-how wealthy and had a big house surrounded by a 9 foot wall and gates. Upon his arrival, the friend decided to get some meat out of the freezer and have a grill party to celebrate the visit. Less than half an hour later, the hungries outside smelled the grill, attacked the house and ransacked it. The friend told him to get in his car and just run over anyone in the way and escape, he had guns in the house. The next day, he went back to see what had happened after his escape. All were dead, the house in shambles and ruin. Plundered of all things of value...
Stop and smell the roses, but don't let anybody smell whats cooking! Live free, GP

 

[bigpaul]

yes, smell of cooking carries a long way.

 

[Brent S]

yes, smell of cooking carries a long way.

Keep that in mind if we ever do go through shtf.

 

[Brent S]

Laughing. You recognize that 98% of 'climate change' is from the Sun. But you think we should all do 'more' to solve that 2% problem. Oh, but don't touch your AC or lifestyle, make sure it comes out of someone else's lifestyle. Got it!



Yup. Let them starve or die from stupidity. Don't care which. There is a middle ground: taxation. Great start, no welfare. But then the more kids a couple have, the more their taxes go up... inverse from today. It will discourage lots of kids without the brutality of China's methods. Brent really needs to push to ban vaccines as well. But, historically, war is the #1 method of population control. The real problem is that wars are too 'precise'... not near enough civilian deaths involved. We just need big, sloppy world wars. (I hope you catch a bit of sarcasm here...)

Where did you get the 98% comes from the sun or from me?

 

[Brent S]

Brent, please listen the truth. If you don't believe me, please please please Google the things I am about to tell you.
They changed it because they realized what the disastrous unintended consequences were, primarily the "4:2:1 Problem". (Please Google it so you can see that I am telling you the truth)
4 grandparents
2 parents
1 child
Children provide for parents and grandparents in China. With no brothers and sisters, one person now has to support six or more parents and grandparents and it is becoming an enormous burden on the current generation. And that is exacerbated by the fact that the life expectancy has increased dramatically. Even without the One-Child policy, birthrates are still falling and China may soon start to experience a drop in population. This will be disastrous for their economy because there won't be enough productive members of the population to support the increasingly older generation.

Then there is the "Missing Women of China" (please Google it so you'll know I am telling the truth)
With the one child policy, females were aborted and often killed after birth because, among other things, male children could better care for their parents (going back to the 4:2:1 problem). So now there is a huge disparity in the male:female ratio, which in turn has caused a whole host of new problems.

And the "Little Emperor Syndrome". (please Google it so you'll know I am not making this up)
With four grand parents and two parents doting on one child, especially a male child, many in the the younger generations are spoiled brats.

I whole heartedly agree that there are problems with a one child policy, evidenced by your points above, Japan’s similar issues and as I pointed out about females being aborted at high rates. My point was about solving the number one issue the world is facing. Overpopulation. Birth restrictions would solve the issue in two generations. I never said it was a perfect solution or one without side effects. The point of my post was ‘I’m open for ideas and solutions’ to the problems were facing. I don’t believe there is a single, simple and complication free solution. I just feel that feeding, watering and giving a 20th century lifestyle to as many people that are on the planet is not sustainable. We will rape the resources we have and be left with a miserable place to survive in before too long. The world is changing and not for the better right now. I just think discussing real ways to make things better is well past due vs just keeping on with status quo.

 

[GaRp58]

I just feel that feeding, watering and giving a 20th century lifestyle to as many people that are on the planet is not sustainable. We will rape the resources we have and be left with a miserable place to survive in before too long.

Ever seen the great fence in Australia? 4000 miles long I think.Keeps the rabbits on one side from eating EVERYTHING on the other side. The rabbits feed, breed, multiply by the millions and eat the available food till it is GONE. Then they all starve except the few hundred which will start the cycle all over again. Been going on for years now. GP