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This is the question I ask myself;
Can I administer first aid to my wife, child or someone else in a survival situation?

Can I deliver a baby? Preform a c-section?
No.

Im looking for PDF instructions on things like administering an IV,
CPR, childbirth.... things of that nature.

Can anyone help me out? Id like to have hard copies to store in my bunker. THANKS!:m4:
 

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I'm Red Cross certified in CPR and first aid including most trauma situations. We had to get certified for my job. I work around heavy machinery and cables that have heavy loads on them.
 

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If possible take an EMT class. Minimum, everyone should take a first responder class. I am EMT level trained for work. I haved used my skills numerous times for family members. My wife is an RN also which comes in handy. Just having some printed copies in case of an emergency is useless. These skills need to be second nature. When the adrenaline is pumping is not the time to learn something by reading it.
 

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Thanks Gazrok!
-Trapper, I totally agree with you.
I do intend on taking some classes but if SHTF today and I need to retreat underground with my family, I need to have a lot of "HOW-TO'S" at my disposal when this site and the internet as a whole are nonexistent. There are alot of things I still need to learn in various areas.
 

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As Trapper mentioned though, DURING an emergency is no time to have to do more than just refer to a document. The skill needs to be somewhat instinctive, and already in your head, when seconds or even minutes count. This is why we stress the need to actually take hands on training. For example, reading how to do CPR is not going to help you gauge how hard to press, exactly where to press, etc.
 

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one thing I thank my employer is the fact that they put us on first-aid course regulary and I even found a brilliant bandage at a local store,developed by the finnish army-medical core,easy to use even with one hand.
bought a few extra just for practice (exp.date),I recommend everyone to take first-aid classes
 

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this thu I have a chance to learn how to use a defibrillator,my employer is providing the opportunity
 

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I was an emt when I was 19, and became a surgical assistant in the army. Well, that was a lifetime ago, and now at fifty yrs old I was reminded how important that training was. Four day ago, on my way to work there was a bad wreck right in front of me. I got out and the first thing I did was looked at a truck driver and told him to dial 911. Don't ask, tell, and pick a specific person, not just a group. Then I checked both drivers. They were both a little shocky, but were ok. I didn't really think about any of it at the time, it was just a reaction. It was kind of good to know it came back to me instantly, even after 30 yrs. don't ever be afraid to take charge at an emergency. If there's someone more qualified, great, but if no one else is doing it, jump in and do the best you can until someone else arrives.
 

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I guess I have to ask, do you have IV supplies? Books aren't really going to help you without training and experience. Maybe befriending a Dr and letting that person in on your plans, of course after he gains your trust, would be better. Honestly, performing a C section post SHTF with just a book in front of you and never having cut open anything living- that's doomsday for her! Please, be careful. Now, there is a part of me that says to catch stray cats and practice techniques on them, but I try to keep that buried in me:)
 

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I guess I have to ask, do you have IV supplies? Books aren't really going to help you without training and experience. Maybe befriending a Dr and letting that person in on your plans, of course after he gains your trust, would be better. Honestly, performing a C section post SHTF with just a book in front of you and never having cut open anything living- that's doomsday for her! Please, be careful. Now, there is a part of me that says to catch stray cats and practice techniques on them, but I try to keep that buried in me:)
I have started literally hundreds of iv's, assisted with dozens of c sections, and many other surgeries. Even though I may have the knowledge to perform a successful c section, that was in a fully stocked operating room, with bovie, sutures, suction, lighting, a good selection of tools, etc. Not to mention iv antiobiotics and a trained anestheologist. Trying to do something like this in a tent, with no electricity, or good sterilized supplies would not be very successful. I believe at best you can stabilize a person and keep them going until you can get them to an equipped facility. I do think any emergency training, like first responder or emt, will be very valuable to have, but as Clint once said, "a mans got to know his limitations".
 

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thu course was,well,atleast now I know that if your not shure don't do it,kind of an anti-climax,to much people with no basic knowledge of first-aid,seen to many doctor-movies,hate when this happens
 

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I agree that getting training is the best medicine, EMT level for the average person should be seriously considered. I do not understand the thinking of being able to start IV's and perform surgeries in a SHTF situation. There are a lot of considerations that need to be thought through before attaching an IV to someone. Why are you starting the line? Is it for major bleeding? Is it for IV medications? Or, is it just because you can? In a SHTF situation an infection can be deadly. Anytime you puncture the skin you are inviting infection, I don't care how careful you are or clean you think the site is, it's a concern. If you need an IV for fluid replacement for major bleeding or severe burns remember the person will be in shock and the IV fluid, normal saline, lactated ringers or D5 will only serve to thin the available blood and limit its oxygen carrying capacity. The possibility of fluid overload is a very serious matter and needs to be monitored very closely. What happens if you accidentally overload a patient and you do not have the diuretics to reverse the problem? They drown. I personally feel, and yes I am a paramedic, that ALL preppers should have some first aid training, EMT level, which will give you a better understanding of basic life support measures. Leave the advanced procedures to the professionally trained.
 

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true what you said,if you don't really know what you are doing,don't do it
that's why I told my wish for this year at work was;I wanna learn emergency first-aid,we can tell our wishes for the comeing year at the annual boss-worker talks ;)
 
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don't ever be afraid to take charge at an emergency. If there's someone more qualified, great, but if no one else is doing it, jump in and do the best you can until someone else arrives.
good advice. Was a couple of years ago, but I had a similar thing happen. I saw a car hit some folks who were crossing the road. Completely the crossers' fault (going against the light, in the dark, etc.), but required quick action. Thing is though, you have to be careful these days. First, you don't know what blood diseases someone might have. Second, if something goes wrong (or even right), the person you save could end up suing you, and winning!!! It's rough that this is the case these days. Kept me from doing more though...but I made sure police and an ambulance were on the way, and since we were close to a station and hospital (literally blocks), I knew it'd be very fast.
 

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we have a so-called brush-up every second year in first-aid at work,and ofcourse there's always some idiot not takeing it seriously,you have the feeling it would be so nice to whack the idiot,but beeing a polite co-worker one doesn't do it,only hopes one doesn't stumble upon something nasty with the idiot..facebook seems to be more interesting...sigh
 

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we have a so-called brush-up every second year in first-aid at work,and ofcourse there's always some idiot not takeing it seriously,you have the feeling it would be so nice to whack the idiot,but beeing a polite co-worker one doesn't do it,only hopes one doesn't stumble upon something nasty with the idiot..facebook seems to be more interesting...sigh
There's always the idiot in every class. Without a doubt, you will probably need those skills at some point in your life, whether as a mom, on the street or worst case in a shtf situation. Lots of people think they need to go sign up for an emt class or something formal like that, which is great, but you can learn just about everything on line now. You just have to be self motivated to do the research.
 

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stumbled over something funny but dead-serious message,hope I get the adress ok,you know Vinnie Jones the actor,check it out:
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I put it on my FB-page
 

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not all take first-aid seriously,had a co-worker saying;why do we need to learn this? I just call an ambulance,they take care of it...
it's mandatory for us to know the basics at my work 'cause you never know what you meet when going out in the public
 

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