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BillMasen

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I like the UKs Minimum wage system and its twin the LIVING wage scheme. Min wage is as it says on the packet, LIVING wage is a voluntary scheme adopted by many companies who agree to pay a higher rate if the company is thriving.

I think people got pi55ed with companies like Amazon making billions but paying almost NO tax in the UK whilst paying the absolute lowest wages in the UK. or Hermes the courier company paying its drivers something obscene like 35P per parcel (50 cents) even if they had to go back to the adress three times to make the delivery and the drivers had to provide their own vehicles and fuel and insurance.

So I think a FAIR Minimum wage is a good thing, even the most unskilled of workers needs to earn enough to feed his family, as others point out flipping burgers, collecting shopping trolleys , picking litter, cleaning hotel rooms is the limit of what many good folks are capable of.
 

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If people want to look like a hoodlum then they need to prepared to be treated like one.
In the 60's and 70's I wore my hair long. My mother (who made Nixon look like a liberal) told me. "The only reason you go around like that is because you're lazy and don't want any one to hire you". I wish she would have lived to see my resume.
 

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1. there is a "minimum wage" and there is a "standard of living" ...
In the US, these concepts are equal and counts as $ 15 an hour for government employees. I don't know about others. you do not pay taxes and social security contributions from the minimum wage.

2. there is an "average statistical salary" ..
. Americans sign a contract for 1 year. It is equal to 75 thousand dollars. you pay taxes ... on average 20 percent, then you get "cash in hand" but,...

the most important thing is not in the salary, but in the "consumer basket", the necessary expenses ...
- the medicine
- food, hygiene, cheap clothing
- Real estate - mortgage payments, rent, utilities, property tax
- Education
- Transport, public or car
- Equipment, furniture, electronics
- Relaxation.

when you paid for the "consumer basket", you have Savings ...

what is capitalism?
you must pay all expenses from the "consumer basket"

what is Communism?
The government pays all expenses from the "consumer basket", so money is not needed.
but Communism never existed

what is socialism?
The government pays part of the spending from the "consumer basket"
(in the USSR, free medicine, apartments, education, recreation)
 

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1. there is a "minimum wage" and there is a "standard of living" ...
In the US, these concepts are equal and counts as $ 15 an hour for government employees. I don't know about others. you do not pay taxes and social security contributions from the minimum wage.

2. there is an "average statistical salary" ..
. Americans sign a contract for 1 year. It is equal to 75 thousand dollars. you pay taxes ... on average 20 percent, then you get "cash in hand" but,...

the most important thing is not in the salary, but in the "consumer basket", the necessary expenses ...
- the medicine
- food, hygiene, cheap clothing
- Real estate - mortgage payments, rent, utilities, property tax
- Education
- Transport, public or car
- Equipment, furniture, electronics
- Relaxation.

when you paid for the "consumer basket", you have Savings ...

what is capitalism?
you must pay all expenses from the "consumer basket"

what is Communism?
The government pays all expenses from the "consumer basket", so money is not needed.
but Communism never existed

what is socialism?
The government pays part of the spending from the "consumer basket"
(in the USSR, free medicine, apartments, education, recreation)
Blacksmith friend. Even when you write pretty good English I don't understand some of what you say.
Even when I made minimum wage I always paid social security and income tax. Point 2; Does the state, Russia pay for items in in the "consumer basket? If so then, WOW, What % does the state pay.
I have read the writings of Karl Marks. Sounds pretty good "From each according to his ability to each according to his need". But as you say "Communism never happened." Please forgive me a small Russian joke, ( Q) "What is a 7 course dinner in Moscow? ( A) A 6 pack and a potato.
 
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In the commercial diving industry tatoos are almost required. They make a body easier to ID if all they recover is a few chunks.
I dont give a crap if someone is covered head to toe in tattoos. They just won't work for me if the tatts extend above their collar. Even in the oil fields I expected all of my employees to look professional. For the amount of money I was paying them it wasn't too much to expect.
 
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and if we cant or wont we make sure that other people stay the hell away from us in any way we can.
but its not about that, some of these attitudes I've read sound like some BS Sheeple citizen talking not a prepper or a survivalist, maybe its more of a cultural difference, it was Churchill I think that said Britain and USA were 2 countries divided by a common language, maybe he should have added "by culture too".
despite the forum name I fear we are getting too far away from our core discussions, its turning into more of a political forum than a prepping one. not why I joined.
Everyone asks sometimes "Why am I here?" What is the purpose? I think what we are doing here can be explained in a few sentences. Acquire land. Acquire the means to defend it. Stash food and supplies for whatever things you can imagine and some you can't. Prepare for the future. There, that's just about it. I have spent almost a lifetime and a fortune doing that.
For me, I live in a very isolated part of the world and greatly enjoy exchanging banter and information with such a diverse group of people. What would Asgard be like without Thor? (You) Olympus without Athena?
(Amish Heart). We all Know that a good sniper can put a 50 cal bullet through our pumpkin from over a mile away. And take all our stuff including our women and children. We do the best we can and take enjoyment where ever we find it. What else is there?
 

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Blacksmith friend. Even when you write pretty good English I don't understand some of what you say.
Even when I made minimum wage I always paid social security and income tax. Point 2; Does the state, Russia pay for items in in the "consumer basket? If so then, WOW, What % does the state pay.
I have read the writings of Karl Marks. Sounds pretty good "From each according to his ability to each according to his need". But as you say "Communism never happened." Please forgive me a small Russian joke, ( Q) "What is a 7 course dinner in Moscow? ( A) A 6 pack and a potato.
okay, arguing against Capitalism-Socialism-Communism is a very long discussion.
Better not to argue yet ...
It should be said that I have never heard the joke about "7 dishes and 1 potato"
.. because the real shortage of food was only in the early 90s, when the USSR had already collapsed .. 91-93 years are sugar coupons, tea, butter, cigarettes, alcohol ...

If you mean Soviet jokes from the 70s and 80s, then the best ones are about beer, because there were no problems with food in those years.
look here ..
Workers walk after work, stand in line at a beer bar, then see the sign "ПИВА НЕТ" (No beer)and a nasty fat lady behind the counter ..
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the working people are very angry and swear, "the damned Nomenklatura drank all the beer. They opened the bottles with a hammer and sickle."
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besides, Russians / Soviets like to laugh at themselves, but foreigners don't understand the meaning of jokes ...
Take a look at the photo I give.

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This is a modern photo in which the Russians "stand in line for milk" ...
Foreigners will think that there is no milk in Russia .. 😅
But actually:
- this is a photo when the owners of the country houses "Dacha" get together and discuss various issues ...
They scold Putin, the government ...

And they buy farm milk.
 
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Blacksmith friend. Even when you write pretty good English I don't understand some of what you say.
Even when I made minimum wage I always paid social security and income tax. Point 2; Does the state, Russia pay for items in in the "consumer basket? If so then, WOW, What % does the state pay.
I have read the writings of Karl Marks. Sounds pretty good "From each according to his ability to each according to his need". But as you say "Communism never happened." Please forgive me a small Russian joke, ( Q) "What is a 7 course dinner in Moscow? ( A) A 6 pack and a potato.
I believe he meant government employees do not pay social security taxes, and they don't. At least in the U.S. they don't.
 

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