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I can not but wonder at how our society developed a hatred and distrust of science and medicine. Anyone can become a medical professional or a scientist. Well, anyone with intelligence. Too many conspire theories. Does anyone really think when you graduate with a degree in science or medicine that you take a secrete oath to lie to the public? Then I lie to my wife and son. My wife lies to my son and me.
And my son lies to his parents. This does not happen.
 

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I can not but wonder at how our society developed a hatred and distrust of science and medicine. Anyone can become a medical professional or a scientist. Well, anyone with intelligence. Too many conspire theories. Does anyone really think when you graduate with a degree in science or medicine that you take a secrete oath to lie to the public? Then I lie to my wife and son. My wife lies to my son and me.
And my son lies to his parents. This does not happen.
100% agree with you Dracos. I don't get it either.
 

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Don't even get me started on doctors. Yes there are good and bad. They aren't all saints and they aren't all quacks.
But I'm like the woman in the Bible who "had borne much agony under the care of many physicians and had spent all she had, but to no avail. Instead, her condition had only grown worse."

My daughter's Crohn's was misdiagnosed and then when it was correctly diagnosed the treatments made her worse to the point that she couldn't go to school and I had to take her out of school until we found a specialist at Vanderbilt that got her on the road to recovery almost overnight. The first thing he did was to tell to STOP taking all the prescriptions the first doctor put her on because they weren't doing anything for her Crohn's, just making her sick from the side effects. Every time we called the first doctor's office to complain about the side effects, the nurse would just give her another prescription to counteract the last prescription's side effects. I think she only spoke to doctor himself a total of one time for five minutes. One of the horse pills she had been taking was so big it physically hurt her stomach to take it.
 

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Don't even get me started on doctors. Yes there are good and bad. They aren't all saints and they aren't all quacks.
But I'm like the woman in the Bible who "had borne much agony under the care of many physicians and had spent all she had, but to no avail. Instead, her condition had only grown worse."

My daughter's Crohn's was misdiagnosed and then when it was correctly diagnosed the treatments made her worse to the point that she couldn't go to school and I had to take her out of school until we found a specialist at Vanderbilt that got her on the road to recovery almost overnight. The first thing he did was to tell to STOP taking all the prescriptions the first doctor put her on because they weren't doing anything for her Crohn's, just making her sick from the side effects. Every time we called the first doctor's office to complain about the side effects, the nurse would just give her another prescription to counteract the last prescription's side effects. I think she only spoke to doctor himself a total of one time for five minutes. One of the horse pills she had been taking was so big it physically hurt her stomach to take it.
Sorry about your daughter.
I agree about the good/bad - its in EVERY profession. I got into medicine later as I was so frustrated with the system, and the treatment of individuals.
My dad has been misdiagnosed with COPD for years. He actually has ILD - which we just found out a few years ago. Was getting treated with the wrong stuff, and was getting pneumonia every year. Turns out it was a fungus, not bacterial (From having lived in the valley for years). He was even in hospice for awhile - in his 60's. I remember being in school and going to see him thinking they mustve missed something! Turns out they did.
Had trouble when I was pregnant with my son, ER doc told me I miscarried after hemorrhaging quite a bit. Saw my OB who thankfully checked before I had to have a D&C as I was losing too much blood and he found my son right away. The man was such a wonderful doc but got a bad rap as he didn't have "great bedside manner". I don't care if you're as kind as Mother Theresa, you better be a good doc, otherwise what's the point?
My father in law (85 yo) recently went through a tough stage with his health. Long story short he thought he was dying, but just was overmedicated. Took him off everything and slowly added back one blood pressure medicine. He's out chopping wood again. He's had a terrible local doc for years, but doesn't want to fire him as the guy has practiced there for years, when he was the only doc.
 

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Not all doctors and scientists are honest. But most are. I would rather trust a real scientists than someone with a tent who has someone brought up in a wheelchair. "Rise and walk my son." And the shill gets up and break dances. More research is needed. Experiments need to be repeated. An old ww2 vetren told me "There no atheast's in a foxhole!" Could it be that someone who begged and prayed very hard is not around to tell the story?
 

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Does anyone really think when you graduate with a degree in science or medicine that you take a secrete oath to lie to the public? Then I lie to my wife and son. My wife lies to my son and me.
And my son lies to his parents. This does not happen.
Do you really think that professional real estate agents sign on knowing they will be hiding certain distasteful facts about the properties they sell, that they will employ tricks like driving a potential buyer in via a route that does not show the factory complex 500 meters over the back fence? They get corrupted over time, just like doctors.

Your protestations of purity fool no one. The medical industry is all about huge profits and you serve the pharmaceutical corporations that sit at the top of the food chain. Hardly any doctors will pushback against this system and risk being blacklisted.

A hospital's first duty is not to help the sick, it is to make a profit and the management will seek this above all else as long as it's "legal" That's why they embrace the dubious covid tests and are willing to write ANYONE up as a covid patient as long as they fail this test or exhibit one of the symptoms. Then the Medicare bonuses flow don't they.

Are Doctors and Hospitals Paid More for COVID-19 Patients?

Medicare is paying hospitals $13,000 for patients admitted with COVID-19 diagnoses and $39,000 if those patients are placed on ventilators.
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  • More than 1,000 hospitals in high-impact areas will get a share of $10 billion in new federal assistance.
  • The new payments will be $50,000 per COVID-19 admission, less than the $77,000 in an earlier round.
  • Hospitals with large Medicaid populations have until Aug. 3 to apply for a separate pool of funds.
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CMS' requirement of a positive COVID-19 test for 20% bonus may be burdensome for hospitals
Other issues are that tests aren't always accurate, especially as time goes on from the initial contraction of the disease. After 14 days it's more difficult for tests to identify a positive case."

As for your wife not lying to you, tell me that after your divorce. You are the perfect doctor, just like Jenna, you are all patience and duty and pharma science, but at the end of the day you question nothing that comes from your masters, you obey in silence, and fill your wallet. You're a used car salesman is all, a real estate agent with bonuses to chase.
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You would think with doctors knowing everything, they would have figured this out already.


Associated Press
Cheap antidepressant shows promise treating early COVID-19
Cheap antidepressant shows promise treating early COVID-19 (yahoo.com)


A cheap antidepressant reduced the need for hospitalization among high-risk adults with COVID-19 in a study hunting for existing drugs that could be repurposed to treat coronavirus.

Researchers tested the pill used for depression and obsessive-compulsive disorder because it was known to reduce inflammation and looked promising in smaller studies.

They've shared the results with the U.S. National Institutes of Health, which publishes treatment guidelines, and they hope for a World Health Organization recommendation.

“If WHO recommends this, you will see it widely taken up,” said study co-author Dr. Edward Mills of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, adding that many poor nations have the drug readily available. “We hope it will lead to a lot of lives saved.”


The pill, called fluvoxamine, would cost $4 for a course of COVID-19 treatment. By comparison, antibody IV treatments cost about $2,000 and Merck's experimental antiviral pill for COVID-19 is about $700 per course. Some experts predict various treatments eventually will be used in combination to fight the coronavirus.
 

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You would think with doctors knowing everything, they would have figured this out already.


Associated Press
Cheap antidepressant shows promise treating early COVID-19
Cheap antidepressant shows promise treating early COVID-19 (yahoo.com)


A cheap antidepressant reduced the need for hospitalization among high-risk adults with COVID-19 in a study hunting for existing drugs that could be repurposed to treat coronavirus.

Researchers tested the pill used for depression and obsessive-compulsive disorder because it was known to reduce inflammation and looked promising in smaller studies.

They've shared the results with the U.S. National Institutes of Health, which publishes treatment guidelines, and they hope for a World Health Organization recommendation.

“If WHO recommends this, you will see it widely taken up,” said study co-author Dr. Edward Mills of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, adding that many poor nations have the drug readily available. “We hope it will lead to a lot of lives saved.”


The pill, called fluvoxamine, would cost $4 for a course of COVID-19 treatment. By comparison, antibody IV treatments cost about $2,000 and Merck's experimental antiviral pill for COVID-19 is about $700 per course. Some experts predict various treatments eventually will be used in combination to fight the coronavirus.
Next comes the full frontal assault on fluvoxamine in the media....
 

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Does anyone really think when you graduate with a degree in science or medicine that you take a secrete oath to lie to the public? Then I lie to my wife and son. My wife lies to my son and me.
And my son lies to his parents. This does not happen.
Lying is the one thing that keeps humans from progressing. Lying is a form of corruption. I think Theodore Dalrymple said it best:

"The purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better.

When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity.

To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed.

A society of emasculated liars is easy to control."
 

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It's amazing but the left has learned how to tell a big fat obvious lie, and then convince people that anyone saying that it is a lie is telling a BIG LIE.
I've given up trying to wrap my head around it. Well, at least I can take consolation in the fact that both my millennial kids saw right through it on their own, even my daughter who was temporarily caught up in the SJC crap when she was in college because she was totally immersed in it. When she got out and started working she got red pilled very quickly.
 

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All bullshit, how everyone doesn't see this scam to make money off of a fake pandemic is unbelievable. The government wants to use this for control. Others like Fauci, Gates, Schaub are using it for more nefarious reasons.
 

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This video should be watched by EVERYONE. This DOCTOR shows how the CDC is going against the science. Why would the CDC go AGAINST the SCIENCE? So many doctors trust the CDC for their "truth". I know you are busy, @DrJenner, @Kevin L, but I would love to hear your opinion on this..

He is obviously using the wrong science and math. He needs to use the new globalist approved science and math.
 

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Thank you for posting this information, this is literally one of the only well thought-out and reasonable videos I have seen on this forum. I believe his points to be largely valid, with these thoughts:


minute 10 - only refers back to one study that he had already stated was a “small study” but worth looking at. Are there any others in support of his hypothesis or in disagreement? There may very well be - but he doesn't support his own information by just citing one small study. This is the very definition of "pseudoscience" - where data being used is either not repeatable, or does not show enough statistical significance, based on the context of the experiment. He can be discredited simply for this reason, the information is not providing enough context or evidence to back claims. He needed to cite several studies, instead of just the one small study.
Again, I'm not saying he's incorrect, but if he wants to better prove his point, this would be helpful.

14 minutes in - Israeli data inconsistent - has not been peer reviewed. Plenty of "data mining" has gone on by people with alternative agendas and have hand/cherry picked data to align with their own belief system (and this goes both ways).

15 minute - where does he come up with 99%? - I don't understand where he got this number

15:45 minute- where does he get this information from - he did not cite source other than the non reviewed data

17:27- this is true - public health vs individual - and the crux of the issue in a pandemic.

18:30- B/T cells good measure - this is why they recommend booster for immunocompromised

And his endpoints of discussion - he is inherently right.
Utilitarian argument - right for the greatest number of people to be protected vs the individual argument.
Natural infection + vaccine highest levels of immunity is true.


So having watched this - and again please know I am not in support of vaccine mandates.
The best thing you can do is weigh your individual risk of getting COVID vs getting vaccinated - knowing that there are in fact some outliers there - as in - previously healthy individuals that wind up dying from COVID - albeit a very small proportion, but a risk nonetheless.

So for my parents who are in their 80's, we couldn't risk COVID for them, they got vaccinated. My husband is in his 60s and lives with me (who is also high risk due to the very nature of my job) - and he also works in healthcare so we both got vaccinated. I got COVID in April 2020, got vaccinated when it was available to healthcare workers (Dec 2020) and then got COVID again in Aug. My parents are getting their boosters this week.

I'm not getting a booster for at least 6 months after August. But that is my decision, weighed with what I read and what I know to be true, coupled with my risk assessment.
 

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