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The Dow is dropping like a lead balloon, Gold is finally responding (going up for the first time in like forever)
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The Volatility Index (VIX) is currently at 28.30. A VIX above 20 means fear is entering the market. A VIX above 25 is said to indicate "True Fear." Above 30 is the "Chicken Little" scenario.
 
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Pretty crappy couple of days. Kind of depressing to think of checking the 401 k on Monday.
 
Is this the beginning of the end of our economy, or a great new buying opportunity for those who want to invest in the stock market? For me, when there's a big sell off like this, I buy more stocks at a "discounted" price. Personally I would like to see gold and silver keep dropping, for the same reason; but low and sell high. Except that I don't sell any of my G&S.
 
That's a good question Arcticdude. The stock market has been on shaky ground for awhile. But with all the other countries economies falling apart. And it coinciding with that. It sure doesn't look good.
 
Is this the beginning of the end of our economy, or a great new buying opportunity for those who want to invest in the stock market? For me, when there's a big sell off like this, I buy more stocks at a "discounted" price. Personally I would like to see gold and silver keep dropping, for the same reason; but low and sell high. Except that I don't sell any of my G&S.
I wouldn't buy in just now as I don't think we're at the bottom yet. I do think we will reach a plateau though before long. Either way, I can't touch my 401 for several more years so I'm not worried about this roller coaster ride. I do hope there's still some value left when I'm able to access it though! All these years my wife has collected jewelry. Nothing extravagant, but lots of rings and necklaces and such. I always thought her 'hobby' was a waste, but who knows, Her investments may turn out better than mine!
 
Gerald Celente - Currency wars (check), Trade wars (check), WORLD WAR (next). September October will be very interesting times in a VERY bad way. As many aswell as I have been saying now for awhile.
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Yip, agree. When China's markets first fell in July b +8.5%, I was awake pacing around most of the night, then did a few postings on various sites saying China is the spear or sickle that is going to pop all the bubbles, as the economies are far too intermixed - if one goes they all go.
Thursday I posted again that we are days away from an epic collapse. Friday night did not disappoint in a bad way. My take is that within 60 days all bank accounts across the world will be frozen, no liquidity, debt implosion, and no more faith in fiat currencies.. Something like what happened to Greece. Many very prominent economist are now predicting collapse worse than 1929/30 as well. Good luck with the preps.
Brief overview of world markets: http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/americas/

"Don;t worry about the world ending today as it is already tomorrow in Australia", I happen to be living in Australia - will give you a heads up when it goes.
 
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The Dow is dropping like a lead balloon, Gold is finally responding (going up for the first time in like forever)
Yeah, gold going up is the scary sign, every one was predicting down below $1,000 some down to $350.. Rater of Dow drop is very telling. Shanghai, despite hundreds of billions pumped into banks and markets, and trading restrictions on anyone owning more than 5% shares etc.. (you go to jail if you sell your shares if you are a major share holder in China) is falling like a stone and taking the world with it... Oil below <$40 a barrel is a surefire indication of broken beyond repair.
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Cheers Mav.

My take on this differs from Hippo, I think if things go really bad the US / EU etc will repeat the Cyprus experiment, IE Close the banks for 7 days then raid every current, deposit and savings account with a "one" off tax of about 20%. that's why so many Europeans emptied their bank accounts a couple of years ago right after the EU stole millions of euros from Cyprus. it was an experiment to see if they could get away with it, and they DID so you can be sure they WILL do it again on a larger scale
 
what is a 401 K ?
It's a retirement plan. Your company matches how much you save, and it goes into stock market mutual funds. You buy stocks with pre tax dollars, and the growth (hopefully it goes up) dosent get taxed until you start to take it out. The rub is, for the tax benefits, if you take it out before retirement age, they penalize you pretty harshly. I think the earliest you can withdraw it is 59 1/2 yrs old. The theory is when you retire you will be in a low tax bracket and will be taxed at a lower rate when withdrawing enough to live on each year. Either way, with your employer matching your amount you save, it's a pretty good deal. I just hope there is still value in the stock market when I can retire. I look at it this way; prepping is about covering as many bases as you can to ensure your ability to live comfortably down the road. This is just one of those preps.
 
They are all in denial at this point. People are holding their breath for a bounce this week. There very well might be a bounce, but I don't see ANY good economic news anywhere on the horizon that would shore up confidence.

But you NEVER KNOW what tomorrow might bring...:rolleyes:

I told my sister last Wednesday that it was time to cash out any stocks immediately, so that tells you what I think about the matter.
 
They are all in denial at this point. People are holding their breath for a bounce this week. There very well might be a bounce, but I don't see ANY good economic news anywhere on the horizon that would shore up confidence.

But you NEVER KNOW what tomorrow might bring...:rolleyes:

I told my sister last Wednesday that it was time to cash out any stocks immediately, so that tells you what I think about the matter.

I agree, we could very well see the banks close, NYSE could shut down also TOMORROW, or sometime this coming week. My advice get as much money out of your account NOW (before tomorrow MONDAY) using the atm, but leave just enough to keep the account open. I'll be keeping a very close eye on China our over night, their morning time.
 
They are all in denial at this point. People are holding their breath for a bounce this week. There very well might be a bounce, but I don't see ANY good economic news anywhere on the horizon that would shore up confidence.

Well, could depend on the Fed and interest rates.

This China correction has been in the making for a long time, they are just finally getting called out on their BS. Nice thing about a state-run economy....you can fudge the numbers like nobody's business....but eventually, the world is going to notice, and this week...the world noticed.
 
The Dow dropped to -1000+ pts shortly after opening. Now the manipulation has begun... Oops I mean the rally has started. I agree Gaz the market will rebound some, but will remain in the negative. The "plunge protection" team will continue "buying" while the free market keeps selling. Eventually the free market will win, and that is when it will go into freefall. When that happens I bet the Fed will call for QE4, but that will only work for a little while, but that is one huge reason we are where we are now. They just keep prolonging the inevitable making it worse. Again, go back in history. It's always September/October when markets crash, and bubbles burst.
 
Well, remain in the "negative" of a previously overvalued territory (thanks to China cooking the books)..... I do agree on Sept/Oct though. Not a good sign right before those months.
 
I think the next couple of days, may continue to sink, but by week's end, start heading back up (though nowhere near the levels we saw).
I agree, there will be a bottom before long. I must admit though, the first hour this morning, seeing a 1000 point drop was a little apocoliptic! I'm really not worried though. As a matter of fact, once it bottoms out I may put some funds in a little more aggressive growth fund. I was currently in the most conservative options, so didn't get hit much here. Some though.
 
We'll see what tomorrow brings. Friday I was talking to a financial adviser, telling him I didn't see ANY good economic news anywhere that would snap the market out of it's dive on Monday. He said he was advising his clients to hold pat because there would be a bounce on Monday...

I predict wild swings again tomorrow, but where the pendulum will be a closing, I have no idea.

Things are as ripe as they have ever been in my lifetime for a SHTF event. Don't know that it will happen for SURE...but I cashed my Social Security check today instead of depositing it, and then made the maximum withdrawal at the ATM. I then stocked up on canned goods, water, and rice.
 
Well, could depend on the Fed and interest rates.

This China correction has been in the making for a long time, they are just finally getting called out on their BS. Nice thing about a state-run economy....you can fudge the numbers like nobody's business....but eventually, the world is going to notice, and this week...the world noticed.
Just think how much the China market would tank if we stopped buying their junk.
 
We'll see what tomorrow brings. Friday I was talking to a financial adviser, telling him I didn't see ANY good economic news anywhere that would snap the market out of it's dive on Monday. He said he was advising his clients to hold pat because there would be a bounce on Monday...

I predict wild swings again tomorrow, but where the pendulum will be a closing, I have no idea.

Things are as ripe as they have ever been in my lifetime for a SHTF event. Don't know that it will happen for SURE...but I cashed my Social Security check today instead of depositing it, and then made the maximum withdrawal at the ATM. I then stocked up on canned goods, water, and rice.
I tend to look at drops like this as a buying opportunity for good quality dividend paying stocks. I also believe the market will bounce back in the coming weeks, maybe not to the previous levels though. That being said, I do expect to see an economic collapse in the near future. I do not keep any money in the bank, other than what is needed to pay bills, its buried away in a safe location.
 
Just think how much the China market would tank if we stopped buying their junk.

The buying has not stopped, but it certainly has slowed down ALOT, that is one reason China's economy is in turmoil. When Mainstream media starts talking about crash/collapse... You know things are NOT good.
 
Man... This is an educating thread for me. I don't know a lot about this subject. I've always thought watching S&P made better sense since it was a broader picture of things than DOW. I also thought this would be the time to get buying rather than selling. I don't have money to lose, so selling anything at a loss is gives me a burning sensation deep in my gut.

Not buying from China would be a great idea, IMO. It would cause a great stir at first, but would benefit us in the long run. I think it would encourage China to better relations with us and other nations, as well. We get taxed to sell there, and we import all their stuff like we can't live without it. Even as consumers, it seems that most folks would rather buy twice than to buy something nice. Redwing boots or Timberlands? Most folks will buy 3 pairs instead of one pair that will last 10 or more years.

It's Tuesday and overall, things are looking up a bit from what I've seen, but they still have yet to open. Hopefully I can make some good decisions here...
 
Man... This is an educating thread for me. I don't know a lot about this subject. I've always thought watching S&P made better sense since it was a broader picture of things than DOW. I also thought this would be the time to get buying rather than selling. I don't have money to lose, so selling anything at a loss is gives me a burning sensation deep in my gut.

Not buying from China would be a great idea, IMO. It would cause a great stir at first, but would benefit us in the long run. I think it would encourage China to better relations with us and other nations, as well. We get taxed to sell there, and we import all their stuff like we can't live without it. Even as consumers, it seems that most folks would rather buy twice than to buy something nice. Redwing boots or Timberlands? Most folks will buy 3 pairs instead of one pair that will last 10 or more years.

It's Tuesday and overall, things are looking up a bit from what I've seen, but they still have yet to open. Hopefully I can make some good decisions here...
The old saying; "Buy low and sell high" is the best advice when it comes to investing in the stock market. In reality, many people do the opposite and buy when the market is high, because they feel like they would miss out, and then panic sell when the market drops.
I try to avoid buying anything made in China, and will pay double for made in USA products. Its cheaper in the long run. Even when I was working I made it company policy to absolutely NOT buy anything from China. I have a pair of Filson boots that are almost 20 years old. You'd be lucky to get 1 or 2 years out of China boots.
 
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