Starting a cult?

[Cindyd]

Great offer. Thanks.
I'm afraid that if this is a covert minion aqusition attemp, I'm not too receptive towards manipulation. Just saying. I'm a bit of "stick in the mud" sometimes.
I'd be hugely intersted in learning for you, though.
Where are you based?
I'm a total peasant atm and have a couple of other responsibilities that I don't really want to leave un-attended to.

Do you have any suggestions of methods where I can learn from your experience without taking part directly?

Thanks for your message

I know zero about organizing or Operating a "Cult" or whatever name you prefer to dub it. (Agree with Jim, the "Cult" term I find a bit disturbing). I am looking at this hopefully from a common sense standpoint. I am all about being involved with comunity of like minded individuals supporting one another, all of their own free will, each having their role/contribution in the group to offer for the good of all concerned.

I do not think anyone here is about manipulation of anyone, whether they currently run or are invoved in such a group or not. One thing I am pretty sure about is there will be a need for leader/s. (strong, more knowledgeable, experienced leader/s). Not to squash your dreams but realistically you are not in a position to start out initiating or especially trying to lead such a group ("Cult")...Really revealed by your own words stated above (As well as other admissions in your posts).

Also, I am pretty sure, being leader or follower (prefer the term supporter), Bringing your "Boots and gloves" are going to be involved. If you are not willing to or don't have the time to put in the committment, the work, gain the experience, and learn to follow/take direction, I can't imagine your idea being anything more than a delusion of grandeur. Those are some basics for success with most things in life.

Jim and everyone here has given you good advice...(Mine is just my 2 cents from observation). Maybe start by trying to get out of the "Mud". Not to say you can't ultimately make it happen, but it sounds like you have a long ways to go. If there ARE any such groups in your area, seek them out, determine if they are a fit for you, see if they will allow you to join, but for sure be prepared to bring those "gloves and work boots"...and learn.

@Helen Back-gets full credit for that one! "Great post, new member. I have a cult. You should come here and see how it is run. Bring your gloves and work boots." ;-)

 

[bill harrell]

Do you know someone somewhat like minded, ( preferably ex- military?) If so, try to work out something with them. You need to be prepared to do what you may consider is more than your fair share. Military training is basically survival training. I tend to agree, you are very late entering the game so try to use your fresh legs to impress the scouts that may be watching. And remember that no fight is over as long as you are willing to get up.

 

[Helen Back]

Thanks for your commeent. I'm sure your absolutely right.
I wouldn't want to lead a particularly fanatical cult. More of slightly softer form or authority. There's a lot for my to learn first.
Leadership? I'm no expert but I've got a firly broard range on knowledge. I've got some management experience. Knowthing serious.
Finance? Nothing. I live in London.
Group rules? That's an interesting topic. There's a lot for me to learn there.
Skills and resources? Another good question. I thought that the members could fund their stay with money and work. We could hold a number of classes throught the days, weeks and months. A curriculum. Where the longterm participants could work their way up the hierarchy. I'm not too sure of the benefits for them, yet. The community would gain from the group's work.
Opec? I've got to learn about that.
Where will the members be housed? Another good question. I need to get some land and turn it into an operational commune.

Thanks for your comment

I hear what you are saying, you sound very much like a guy named Ron. He started a cult and was pretty successful. Maybe you could join his cult for some pointers. They have cool buildings, and do lots of covert stuff. Be careful though, if you cross them, they are relentless and ruthless. Here is one of their buildings:

Great offer. Thanks.
I'm afraid that if this is a covert minion aqusition attemp, I'm not too receptive towards manipulation. Just saying. I'm a bit of "stick in the mud" sometimes.
I'd be hugely intersted in learning for you, though.
Where are you based?
I'm a total peasant atm and have a couple of other responsibilities that I don't really want to leave un-attended to.

Do you have any suggestions of methods where I can learn from your experience without taking part directly?

Thanks for your message

Peasant, huh? Well, I am feeling generous today, so I will give you some pro tips; especially since you live across the pond and shouldn;t be any competition. Like you, I live near a bastion of radical liberals, who want some "dystopia" where they can be free of the gov't, and still somehow, manage to get a check from it. I live a ways outside of the city; certainly nowhere you would walk to (tip 1). I take my truck downtown Portland and look for druggies and homeless. They are ALWAYS democrats, so easily manipulated (unlike you... tip 2). I tell them I have a huge pot farm and shop for cooking drugs and need trimmers/samplers. I tell them I have plenty of space for them to "bunk", shower, lots of food, and I tell them I pay $20 an hour. It's about 50/50 fishing. I can usually see the fantasies running through their minds, in what's left of their half closed eyes. When they jump in (the back, never the front, tip 3), I tell them to lay down, so "the man" doesn't see us (tip 4). When I get to my property, I go straight to the garden and tell them what needs to be done. I tell them dinner and showers will be at sundown. They always ask where the pot is, so I tell them "I can't show you that now, I need for you to earn my trust". They usually snivel for a bit, but they have "hope". At sundown, I bring them some rice and beans (use your oldest in rotation.. tip 5). Usually they don;t want a shower, but if they do, I spray them down with the garden hose. I have a few tents I let them sleep in. The next day is similar. Weed pulling, car washing, rototilling with shovels, etc. They snivel, but I keep promising good times are coming, and they stay. After a while most will move on for another hand out, but it's ok. There is an endless supply of them.

When I know you better, I will tell you more details for fine tuning those who stay. You don;t owe me anything for this intel.

 

[Danil54grl]

I would honestly never put the word "cult" into a self sufficient community, which is what I think you want? I got more to say, but I am going to hold off.

 

[EastenerWesterner]

British use the English language much differently than we do. I worked for a company that was bought by the British. Their stock purchase plan was called Stock Purchase Scheme.
So I didn’t give the use of cult a second thought. Also glad I didn’t invest in their plan, it turned out to be a scheme.

 

[s request]

Do you know someone somewhat like minded, ( preferably ex- military?) If so, try to work out something with them. You need to be prepared to do what you may consider is more than your fair share. Military training is basically survival training. I tend to agree, you are very late entering the game so try to use your fresh legs to impress the scouts that may be watching. And remember that no fight is over as long as you are willing to get up.

I don't know someone somewhat like minded. Hopefully our paths will cross.
I'm prepared to know my compound inside out. All elements of its structure and how they function, individually and together.
I'm starting to sketch out plans. As a newbie, I think I'm going to run through hundreds of drafts before I look to commit.
I've got to start increasing my savings too

I do have plans to start taking rudiment survival courses. I'm hoping to meet like minded folks there.

Great advice in general. Thanks

 

[s request]

I hear what you are saying, you sound very much like a guy named Ron. He started a cult and was pretty successful. Maybe you could join his cult for some pointers. They have cool buildings, and do lots of covert stuff. Be careful though, if you cross them, they are relentless and ruthless. Here is one of their buildings:

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Peasant, huh? Well, I am feeling generous today, so I will give you some pro tips; especially since you live across the pond and shouldn;t be any competition. Like you, I live near a bastion of radical liberals, who want some "dystopia" where they can be free of the gov't, and still somehow, manage to get a check from it. I live a ways outside of the city; certainly nowhere you would walk to (tip 1). I take my truck downtown Portland and look for druggies and homeless. They are ALWAYS democrats, so easily manipulated (unlike you... tip 2). I tell them I have a huge pot farm and shop for cooking drugs and need trimmers/samplers. I tell them I have plenty of space for them to "bunk", shower, lots of food, and I tell them I pay $20 an hour. It's about 50/50 fishing. I can usually see the fantasies running through their minds, in what's left of their half closed eyes. When they jump in (the back, never the front, tip 3), I tell them to lay down, so "the man" doesn't see us (tip 4). When I get to my property, I go straight to the garden and tell them what needs to be done. I tell them dinner and showers will be at sundown. They always ask where the pot is, so I tell them "I can't show you that now, I need for you to earn my trust". They usually snivel for a bit, but they have "hope". At sundown, I bring them some rice and beans (use your oldest in rotation.. tip 5). Usually they don;t want a shower, but if they do, I spray them down with the garden hose. I have a few tents I let them sleep in. The next day is similar. Weed pulling, car washing, rototilling with shovels, etc. They snivel, but I keep promising good times are coming, and they stay. After a while most will move on for another hand out, but it's ok. There is an endless supply of them.

When I know you better, I will tell you more details for fine tuning those who stay. You don;t owe me anything for this intel.

Ahh, yes. The Scientoligists. I'm sure there is lots to be learned from them. To be honest, there's a quite a lot to be learned from all of these different close nit social groups. Threre is such a broard range to investigate.
I watch a very dear friend/girlfriend hand over and lose her critical faculties to a Buddhist sec (The Diamind Way).
She'd come back from their group meets talking rubbish. Quoting her spirtual leader.
I met a lot of her fellow folowers. They were so innocent, seeking solace. An unabtainable fantasy.
Interesting stuff. Lots to be learned

I've got a bit of knowledge and experience in some of the psychological aspects of influence, as side note.
More toward the side of grasping an indivual's imagination and using the power of words to influence thier pursuit of gratification. Similarly, as I watched my girlfriend drfit away, I knew the tricks that were being used on her and her fellows.
She didn't want to know. I'm not atop of self-built heirarachical structure.

Regardless, I'm not too sure as to what degree of authority I wish to project, if any at all.

I'd rather have people in the community feel free leave, yet compelled to work for the group through their own desire.
Seems less effort and more efficient on my part.
Somehing along the lines of social cohesion through the need to survive together.

Similarly, your story and tips are facinating. I'm very grateful for your generousity and I'm sure you will only share with me what you wish.

Funnily enough, I did suspect you may have been talking about Portland. It's got quite the reputation.

It certainly seems to me that the younger and more vulerable would be easier to influence.

 

[s request]

I would honestly never put the word "cult" into a self sufficient community, which is what I think you want? I got more to say, but I am going to hold off.

I'm mearly exercising ideas to learn about what I will require for my journey ahead.
Thanks for your advise.

 

[s request]

I know zero about organizing or Operating a "Cult" or whatever name you prefer to dub it. (Agree with Jim, the "Cult" term I find a bit disturbing). I am looking at this hopefully from a common sense standpoint. I am all about being involved with comunity of like minded individuals supporting one another, all of their own free will, each having their role/contribution in the group to offer for the good of all concerned.

I do not think anyone here is about manipulation of anyone, whether they currently run or are invoved in such a group or not. One thing I am pretty sure about is there will be a need for leader/s. (strong, more knowledgeable, experienced leader/s). Not to squash your dreams but realistically you are not in a position to start out initiating or especially trying to lead such a group ("Cult")...Really revealed by your own words stated above (As well as other admissions in your posts).

Also, I am pretty sure, being leader or follower (prefer the term supporter), Bringing your "Boots and gloves" are going to be involved. If you are not willing to or don't have the time to put in the committment, the work, gain the experience, and learn to follow/take direction, I can't imagine your idea being anything more than a delusion of grandeur. Those are some basics for success with most things in life.

Jim and everyone here has given you good advice...(Mine is just my 2 cents from observation). Maybe start by trying to get out of the "Mud". Not to say you can't ultimately make it happen, but it sounds like you have a long ways to go. If there ARE any such groups in your area, seek them out, determine if they are a fit for you, see if they will allow you to join, but for sure be prepared to bring those "gloves and work boots"...and learn.

@Helen Back-gets full credit for that one! "Great post, new member. I have a cult. You should come here and see how it is run. Bring your gloves and work boots." ;-)

The term Cult certainly, and quite understandably has a bad reputation. Though, that doesn't mean that there isn't something to be learned from understanding the structure of the group dynamics.

I understand your point. An individual's actions and methods can be descibed using many terms. I'm mearly using a provocative term as an example of the effectiveness and power of some of these groups have over people.
It wouldn't be too hard to use the tern "cult" to describe communtists, socialists, muslims, jews, buddhists, etc or any other group hierarchical social structure. I need to investigate the manner, functionality, structure and history of these social groups to further grasp the term "cult".

You're absolutely correct about me needing to put my boots and gloves to good use. I'm very much at point A and it'll take me a while to get to point B. It seems a long route and I'm starting late. I need to understand the map of my route and set off. A journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step, as they say.

I appreciate your advice.

 

[JimCosta]

A final comment before I leave.

Great leaders are born, not trained. They spend their lives adjusting to their personality to take charge and lead.
They know who they are.
They could care less about themselves but rather are totally focused on the task at hand.
They know to seek out the answers or those that have the answers.
These are the leaders others naturally follow because they can feel that leader is selfless.

Based on your writing you are not that grade of a leader.

Your best course of action is in a few days become an expert in all things Prepping and align yourself with such a leader; support that leader.
This you have time to do. Fill your head then seek a group or a natural leader.
This would be best for you, that leader and a future group.

Best of luck.

 

[Helen Back]

I think you may be putting the cart before the horse. You need to get yourself dialed in before you start taking on others. How are you going to lead, when you don;t even know where you are going? I will try to help as much as I can; not just for you, but for anyone else who visits this site thinking the same.

Steal condiment packages (Tip 6). They will be like gold when SHTF. They last forever, are easy to trade, and will be highly sought after. Sometimes I drive around all day, going into fats food businesses and just taking a handful of each. Go during lunch; it’s too busy for the employees to be paying attention. (Tip 7). I’m here for you. Just to be clear, you owe me nothing. There is no contract between us and I do not expect you to repay me for my effort.

 

[Helen Back]

Also, go to large office buildings and sift throught the cigarette bins outside. Sometimes people are in a hurry and only take a drag or two. Those are your priority. When SHTF, and cigarettes are gone, you will be king. Again, you owe me nothing for these tips. Good luck.

 

[bigpaul]

If I meet anyone who thinks their a born leader I run as fast as I can in the opposite direction.
London a city of approx 9 million people is not survivable in the long term, post collapse of all the usual main services.
moving to another country makes one a target, the outsider no matter how long they have lived there will be the first attacked and looted.
at least remaining in Britain or moving to an English speaking country you will at least know what people are saying.
as you say you are a new prepper, you need to slow down and consider the basics first, you cant survive without access to food and water, its as simple as that.
BTW I'm in the Westcountry.

 

[s request]

I think you may be putting the cart before the horse. You need to get yourself dialed in before you start taking on others. How are you going to lead, when you don;t even know where you are going? I will try to help as much as I can; not just for you, but for anyone else who visits this site thinking the same.

Steal condiment packages (Tip 6). They will be like gold when SHTF. They last forever, are easy to trade, and will be highly sought after. Sometimes I drive around all day, going into fats food businesses and just taking a handful of each. Go during lunch; it’s too busy for the employees to be paying attention. (Tip 7). I’m here for you. Just to be clear, you owe me nothing. There is no contract between us and I do not expect you to repay me for my effort.

I'm very grateful for your comments and tips. I'll be looking out for comments in the future.

Kind regards

 

[s request]

If I meet anyone who thinks their a born leader I run as fast as I can in the opposite direction.
London a city of approx 9 million people is not survivable in the long term, post collapse of all the usual main services.
moving to another country makes one a target, the outsider no matter how long they have lived there will be the first attacked and looted.
at least remaining in Britain or moving to an English speaking country you will at least know what people are saying.
as you say you are a new prepper, you need to slow down and consider the basics first, you cant survive without access to food and water, its as simple as that.
BTW I'm in the Westcountry.

I feel the same about those who assume the position of "leader". I think it's likely to happen in a more organic process.
I'm certainly not in any position to make such claims. I'm clearly a learner here and am very grateful for all adise and critcisms.

If society fractures, London will be the war zone if fear it may become. It's not exactly great, anyway. And such, I'm looking to prepare to move back west. I've spent many years in Bristol and the west country and so, know it fairly well.
I've got my job atm and my parents to look after so I'm rather tied for the time being.

You're right. Slow down. I've been thinking about my compound plan and, of course, meeting one's needs for survival must first be met. I'm forming a plan.

The west country, I believe for the moment, is looking like a good place to move towards when I'm got my act together.

 

[bigpaul]

I feel the same about those who assume the position of "leader". I think it's likely to happen in a more organic process.
I'm certainly not in any position to make such claims. I'm clearly a learner here and am very grateful for all adise and critcisms.

If society fractures, London will be the war zone if fear it may become. It's not exactly great, anyway. And such, I'm looking to prepare to move back west. I've spent many years in Bristol and the west country and so, know it fairly well.
I've got my job atm and my parents to look after so I'm rather tied for the time being.

You're right. Slow down. I've been thinking about my compound plan and, of course, meeting one's needs for survival must first be met. I'm forming a plan.

The west country, I believe for the moment, is looking like a good place to move towards when I'm got my act together.

looking on from far away London looks like a war zone to us already, what was it-4 killings in 6 days? and the Mayor of London is as much use as a chocolate teapot. Bristol isnt a bad place-I was born there, but being a city it has its share of problems and unsafe areas.
I moved from a city (not Bristol) 23 years ago and never regretted it.

 

[DrHenley]

If I meet anyone who thinks their a born leader I run as fast as I can in the opposite direction.

And I'll be right behind you!

 

[s request]

looking on from far away London looks like a war zone to us already, what was it-4 killings in 6 days? and the Mayor of London is as much use as a chocolate teapot. Bristol isnt a bad place-I was born there, but being a city it has its share of problems and unsafe areas.
I moved from a city (not Bristol) 23 years ago and never regretted it.

Well, you're not far off on your description of London. It's very fragmented and in my opinion, the demographics are solidifying in the seperate groups, or maybe integration is a complete myth. I think the better educated fringes, or even just better speaking integrate with less difficulty.
Being in the wrong place at the wrong time should be of real concern to most. I've been attacked for being white 6 times in the 11 years I've lived in London.

Don't get me started on Kahn. He's clearly got an alternative agenda wit his claims that the minority's voilet behavour has anything to do with it being hot.
Obviously, less violent crime is going to occour when it's cold. The problem is that the progressives want it the norm to believe that an individual has no responsibility for their horrific behaviour.
What an excuse. Systemic racism is the cause. External influences and nothing to do with a person's responsibility to act like a reasonable being in society. 性交 off Kahn
Otherwise, it's ok.
They mostly come out at night, or when everyone else has gone home. Although, that's depending on where you are.

I love Bristol for the great times I've had there. I out grew it though. I've lived in a couple of the bad, central, neighbourhoods. St Paul's and on Easten Road. Otherwise, I'm my 10 yrs there I neve really spent muchh time far for Stoke's Croft, so I don't know much about it.

Yeah, when the times comes, I'll be looking to move away from the most built up areas of the country.
In to the sticks, as they say. Though, that's a Norfolk reference and I don't want to go there. Too many gypsies and I've not had a great time with them.
I'd prefer Wales. I like the Welsh. The climate looks less hot, when looking toward the future, Or less subject to continental air influence. More effected by weather comming in from the sea. It might be quite tempermantal but that's more managable that heat wave extremes.
I'm not sure, though. I'm not sure anyone really is. Forecasting is quite complex.

I'm more willing to rely on data I'm given than those who are entierly commited to beleving that what we're seen is govenment scam.

 

[bigpaul]

I spent some time in Norfolk but it was a long time ago, I havent had much experience with Gypsies but spent many years amongst the alternative community in Somerset and had some good friends there.
I dont know a lot about Wales, an ex brother in law had a house there in the 60s and got it burned down by the Welsh nationalists, how much has changed I dont know but there was a lot of ill feeling amongst the Welsh over Brexit and it still existed to some extent during Covid.
you'll have to do your homework (research) if you decide to move there.

 

[s request]

I spent some time in Norfolk but it was a long time ago, I havent had much experience with Gypsies but spent many years amongst the alternative community in Somerset and had some good friends there.
I dont know a lot about Wales, an ex brother in law had a house there in the 60s and got it burned down by the Welsh nationalists, how much has changed I dont know but there was a lot of ill feeling amongst the Welsh over Brexit and it still existed to some extent during Covid.
you'll have to do your homework (research) if you decide to move there.

I'm sure I've only met the arse end of the gypsie communtiy and seeing niether you nor I have much expereience with them we a leave it It at that.
The althernative lot are cool. Minus some strange raver politis, I'm games for the hills!