Freaking kidding?
Russia Versus The Ukraine
- Thread starter Jayson
- Start date
Help Support Doomsday Prepper Forums:
Danil54grl
Top Poster
I would never kid about something like that. We already have troops over there training. We have already basically sent all of of defenses, leaving the US defenseless if our country was attacked, so why not Ukraine troops over here to train. Makes perfect sense cause these are brand new recruits.
Unless the Ukrainian "soldiers" can all speak english, german, polish, french, croatian, dutch and all the other national languages who are shipping their high-tech weapons there...how are they ALREADY operating the
HIGH-TECH and expensive military equipment ALREADY in the Ukraine??? Unless the software in all these types of equipment is already (or WAS already) written in the Ukrainian language---meaning this was all planned loooong ago.
My training and all soldiers training on such high-tech stuff takes MONTHS and LIVE ammo training, not just a joystick training on a smartphone or a tablet. There are WITHOUT A DOUBT too many proxy soldiers there doing "their jobs" fighting the so-called enemy and doing "on-the-job" training at the same time with the Ukrainian soldiers.
What they can do with their old russian and Warsaw Pact equipment is without a doubt incredible, but without the money and equipment from the rest of the world...this would have been over in a matter of weeks. If NATO and the US are already speaking of "running out of ammo" -- where would the Ukraine be without their help??
Reports are that for every day the Ukraine shoots 5000 rounds of artillery, Russia shoots 20,000 rounds back.
Who is running out of ammo? Russia is reportedly producing around the clock 24/7 ammo and rockets.
HIGH-TECH and expensive military equipment ALREADY in the Ukraine??? Unless the software in all these types of equipment is already (or WAS already) written in the Ukrainian language---meaning this was all planned loooong ago.
My training and all soldiers training on such high-tech stuff takes MONTHS and LIVE ammo training, not just a joystick training on a smartphone or a tablet. There are WITHOUT A DOUBT too many proxy soldiers there doing "their jobs" fighting the so-called enemy and doing "on-the-job" training at the same time with the Ukrainian soldiers.
What they can do with their old russian and Warsaw Pact equipment is without a doubt incredible, but without the money and equipment from the rest of the world...this would have been over in a matter of weeks. If NATO and the US are already speaking of "running out of ammo" -- where would the Ukraine be without their help??
Reports are that for every day the Ukraine shoots 5000 rounds of artillery, Russia shoots 20,000 rounds back.
Who is running out of ammo? Russia is reportedly producing around the clock 24/7 ammo and rockets.
Mountain Dragon
A True Doomsday Prepper
Germany by example. I have seen in the news yesterday Germany has only enough ammo for 2 (!!) days in an serious conflict. The rest is almost in the UKR.
The biden Regime is drawing down our oil and arms. This is all planned to bring down every nation in the west.
poltiregist
A True Doomsday Prepper
In light of less prepared members have a tendency to deny serious SHTF information , which usually comes with the denial that the source of the information is creditable , I for now am not giving the source . Instead those that don't want to or can't face serious diversity , research it for yourself . --Tomorrow January 20th . 32 Chiefs of Defense from NATO Countries plus a few more or converging at Ramstein Air Base in Germany to discuss their next move with the " NATO 's war with Russia " . This is a first and a potential pivot point with the escalating SHTF World War 3 situation .
Hope your info is correct and hope they make the right decision, billions of lives depend on it. They have a puppet and a bad actor and comedian in charge of LOTS OF AMMO and maybe he has balls of steel but it is not a good idea to escalate the whole damn picture. They have their orders also and if only the little soldiers would, could and should tell the NWO, Bidump, Putin and all other politicians to kiss their collective asses and go get into a boxing ring and fight it out like real men and stop sending innocent boys and girls to their early deaths.
It may not be MONARCHY any more, but they still take our taxes, live in golden palaces and drive in bullet proofed coaches, AND SEND OUR KIDS TO WAR....only the name is Democracy and no longer Monarchy. Private Anarchy in my eyes. The world does not need ANY POLITICIAN higher than a MAYOR of any town, if he screws up...we know where he lives.
Where people fear gov't, there is anarchy...where the gov't fears the people, there is freedom. Live free, Gary
It may not be MONARCHY any more, but they still take our taxes, live in golden palaces and drive in bullet proofed coaches, AND SEND OUR KIDS TO WAR....only the name is Democracy and no longer Monarchy. Private Anarchy in my eyes. The world does not need ANY POLITICIAN higher than a MAYOR of any town, if he screws up...we know where he lives.
Where people fear gov't, there is anarchy...where the gov't fears the people, there is freedom. Live free, Gary
Mountain Dragon
A True Doomsday Prepper
The NATO will really hold an meeting in Ramstein next month, so i have heard / seen in german news TV.
But de facto we're already in WW3 if they are going to send tanks from NATO countries to the Ukraine. I think it's just a question of time NATO troops are official and active involved.
But de facto we're already in WW3 if they are going to send tanks from NATO countries to the Ukraine. I think it's just a question of time NATO troops are official and active involved.
bigpaul
A True Doomsday Prepper
- Joined
- Feb 9, 2014
- Messages
- 8,641
- Reaction score
- 19,474
some people seem to forget that Russia is the agressor here, they invaded Ukraine not the other way around, sure if the NATO countries had not supplied weapons to Ukraine the war would have been over by now, Ukraine would be a smoking ruin and most civilians would be either dead or in Russian gulags, but Russia would not have stopped in Ukraine, Putin has already threatened other Countries in the region.
Mountain Dragon
A True Doomsday Prepper
Yes of course, Russia is the demon, the satan, worse than Stalin, Hitler, Saddam an Osama together, they eat babies and living in caves filled up with nuclear bombs.
The West, Nato and EU is innocent like an newborn, they absolutly never ever was provocate any single flysh*t, they are so carefull to the whole world.
Congrats Paul, the western propaganda catched you fully.
The West, Nato and EU is innocent like an newborn, they absolutly never ever was provocate any single flysh*t, they are so carefull to the whole world.
Congrats Paul, the western propaganda catched you fully.
rainingcatzanddogs
A True Doomsday Prepper
I don't think he was saying that NATO is innocent or that Russia is demonic. Only stating the fact that Russia crossed the border of another Sovereign nation with military troops.
Furthermore, it is not propaganda when the concept of "One Russia" come out of Putin's own mouth, anymore than it is propaganda to say that the WEF goal is that by "2030 you will own nothing and be happy". It is rare where tyrants do not forecast their intent.
Mountain Dragon
A True Doomsday Prepper
Propaganda comes from both sides.
But if western politicans say "deliver weapons creates peace" then i seriously have to ask myself who's the agressor.
And by crossing the border of another sovereign nation with military troops therefore i know other nation(s) who did the same and it was completly ok because they did it to deliver "peace" or "democracy" which wasn't work at the end. But the oil always was missing after.
But if western politicans say "deliver weapons creates peace" then i seriously have to ask myself who's the agressor.
And by crossing the border of another sovereign nation with military troops therefore i know other nation(s) who did the same and it was completly ok because they did it to deliver "peace" or "democracy" which wasn't work at the end. But the oil always was missing after.
rainingcatzanddogs
A True Doomsday Prepper
Provocation does come from both sides and trying to figure out "who started it" is a fruitless argument. Propaganda has been around since the first tribal leaders lived in caves.
However, there is a difference between crossing a border to bring peace and crossing a border to expand one's own territory with the intention of keeping it, in the so-called name of peace.
Last edited:
Mountain Dragon
A True Doomsday Prepper
When an foreign power crosses my border without invitation it's not ok, even they call it an "mission of peace".
And if someone delivers weapons from an national defense just to protect and save stolen money or values from an third party then this is mendacious and a betrayal of one's own people, especially when uninvolved peoples pay the price in the form of an economic crisis and very high inflation.
And exactly this happens in Europe this days. Citizens go betrayed, robbed out and don't know how to pay the daily life to protect the most corrupt state in Europe and his demanding comedian president.
But different meanings, i'm fine with it.
And if someone delivers weapons from an national defense just to protect and save stolen money or values from an third party then this is mendacious and a betrayal of one's own people, especially when uninvolved peoples pay the price in the form of an economic crisis and very high inflation.
And exactly this happens in Europe this days. Citizens go betrayed, robbed out and don't know how to pay the daily life to protect the most corrupt state in Europe and his demanding comedian president.
But different meanings, i'm fine with it.
Last edited:
rainingcatzanddogs
A True Doomsday Prepper
That is the problem, we are never going to stop it. Doesn’t matter who “wins” this conflict, the people will lose; Russian, Ukrainian, West European, American…it is always the result of wars.
That is why I cannot condone how Russia has conducted itself both leading up to the war and in the way it has conducted itself in the midst of it. It is the people who pay the price, not the leaders. If they had just stayed out, billions of tax payer goods and currency would not have been funneled into Ukraine’s pockets.
Hmmm. Wonder if Schwab’s former buddy Putin, maybe didn’t start this whole thing, exactly for the purpose of bankrupting and destabilizing the west? Wouldn't be the first time an unnecessary war was started to further a global political agenda.
Mountain Dragon
A True Doomsday Prepper
Honestly - i can't hear anything about Ukraine anymore.
We have to pay between 100 and 1000% more for electricity - to support Ukraine
We have to pay around 30 to 50% more for food and daily goods - it's because the Ukraine is in troubles
We have increased incoming tax - because we need to support the Ukraine
And so on - F@#k this piece of sh**t.
And then - Ukrainian refugees. Nice, those BMW M6, Mercedes AMG and Audi Q7 they are coming with. It's even nice we have to pay them appartments, food, clothing, fully access to health insurances and every month a lil amount from over 1700.--. And i didn't wrote about free mobile phones, internet or free access.
To make it more visible for you:
Every Swiss has to pay for health insurance - and we have to pay, no way out - as an minimum 360.--
We don't get free public traffic for ourselves or other refugees.
And retired people have - don't forget they worked their whole life - 1600.-- each month except they having an own private insurance for their retirement.
Oh - and don't forget: We don't hear something nice like an "thank you" or anything else in this way. But we hear demandings:
Appartment isn't luxury enough
Clothings aren't branding ones
We need more money
We want 1. class in public traffic
Why people here don't speak ukrainian
Yes this we get here for our help!
Imagine YOUR government opens the border to Mexico to "help" those poor people there. Offers them the better appartments. Pays them an health insurance, clothes, food and public traffic. And a few houndred $ every month as incoming. And YOU can pay more tax, higher prices in food store or do even need to leave your cheap house to fill it with refugees.
You're still say "Yes, we are so glad to help them"? (Then let me know, i take the next flight and land as an refugee)
Or you will more say "close the border and forget about them?
Personally, i can't imagine Russia seriously will take the whole Ukraine really with this kind of ungrateful, always demanding people without decency.
Neither i do not want have them here. Our life is a lot worse since every idiot of an politican has his head so deep in Zelenskjs butt until they have oxygen deficiency.
We have to pay between 100 and 1000% more for electricity - to support Ukraine
We have to pay around 30 to 50% more for food and daily goods - it's because the Ukraine is in troubles
We have increased incoming tax - because we need to support the Ukraine
And so on - F@#k this piece of sh**t.
And then - Ukrainian refugees. Nice, those BMW M6, Mercedes AMG and Audi Q7 they are coming with. It's even nice we have to pay them appartments, food, clothing, fully access to health insurances and every month a lil amount from over 1700.--. And i didn't wrote about free mobile phones, internet or free access.
To make it more visible for you:
Every Swiss has to pay for health insurance - and we have to pay, no way out - as an minimum 360.--
We don't get free public traffic for ourselves or other refugees.
And retired people have - don't forget they worked their whole life - 1600.-- each month except they having an own private insurance for their retirement.
Oh - and don't forget: We don't hear something nice like an "thank you" or anything else in this way. But we hear demandings:
Appartment isn't luxury enough
Clothings aren't branding ones
We need more money
We want 1. class in public traffic
Why people here don't speak ukrainian
Yes this we get here for our help!
Imagine YOUR government opens the border to Mexico to "help" those poor people there. Offers them the better appartments. Pays them an health insurance, clothes, food and public traffic. And a few houndred $ every month as incoming. And YOU can pay more tax, higher prices in food store or do even need to leave your cheap house to fill it with refugees.
You're still say "Yes, we are so glad to help them"? (Then let me know, i take the next flight and land as an refugee)
Or you will more say "close the border and forget about them?
Personally, i can't imagine Russia seriously will take the whole Ukraine really with this kind of ungrateful, always demanding people without decency.
Neither i do not want have them here. Our life is a lot worse since every idiot of an politican has his head so deep in Zelenskjs butt until they have oxygen deficiency.
rainingcatzanddogs
A True Doomsday Prepper
We do pretty much exactly that and have been since after WWII and the creation of the welfare system.
The problem isn't them, it is the system your country set up. People will go where they think they can get something for nothing. The rudeness and entitlement is something experienced everywhere across many demographics whenever people do not have to work for what they have..
Many times I have stood in line behind someone, fresh from having her hair and nails done, in $300 sneakers, using food "stamps" buying better food than we could afford and yet our tax dollars were going to feed them, clothe them and house them. Meanwhile, my kids were wearing garage sale shoes, eating grilled cheese and soup for dinner and living in a house that was a "handyman special" in large part because we were prepping and setting aside part of our budget for it. Needs not wants. Socialism sucks.
Last edited:
poltiregist
A True Doomsday Prepper
No need to get mad " we are already way past that " . We are at the point " either you have your preps in order for a " Nuclear World War 3 or you don't " . This site was set up long ago for those preparing for such a future .
When I stand in line here, I see every day that 45% of the people in front of and behind me are not from my national population, about 20% of them do not even speak my national language or are willing to learn it.
Be careful, Ukrainians are not included.
Because of this, I find it harder every day to trust my government, and even harder to believe a NATO boss who says every day guns make peace.
Putin may be a criminal, so is his comrade Selensky, Selensky is a snake and he doesn't give a damn about his people, he has the same paranoia as Hitler and will still talk about victory when he's the last.
Still the biggest problem in Ukraine is, 50% of Western weapons never reach the front, the regime and senior military personnel sell these weapons on the dark web, if there is an incident with such weapons in the USA, you can count Selensky on it to thank.
