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Majority of black children today DO grow up with their fathers in the household (source), and on some metrics they are more involved with their children than any other racial groups such as Whites or Hispanics, in bathing and meal eating for instance.
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Have to call BS on your post. Nearly 70% of Black homes in America are WITHOUT a husband. Did you get “educated” in a liberal dump?
 
Majority of black children today DO grow up with their fathers in the household (source), and on some metrics they are more involved with their children than any other racial groups such as Whites or Hispanics, in bathing and meal eating for instance.
Your source had a convoluted method of coming up with the numbers that literally gave me a headache trying to read. Highly subjective, making a lot of assumptions.
But the CDC has a much more straightforward reporting method and you can download the data here:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data_access/vitalstatsonline.htm#DownloadableAccording to the CDC, 69% of African Americans are born in single parent homes as of 2018.
 
I'm acutely aware that this is my first post and it will look like I'm some Liberal no gooder but I couldn't help myself after reading some huge misconceptions here and would like to chime in. To begin, lets look at slave marriages and families. It's estimated conservatively that around 10-20% of slave marriages were torn apart by the sale of one of the parents, and that doesn't include the sale of children which was also not a positive thing for the happy slave family (source). Your fantasy of what being a slave is like is so monumentally skewed from reality I struggle to even begin. It is inconcievable for someone today to have their wife or husband sold. For money, a thousand if they were really good at slavin' away, like they were just some sort of unfeeling working machine.

Majority of black children today DO grow up with their fathers in the household (source), and on some metrics they are more involved with their children than any other racial groups such as Whites or Hispanics, in bathing and meal eating for instance.

And then the topic of abortions. I hate abortions, it's murder and it's disgusting that it's so common nowadays. I don't know the reality on the 60% number but it sounds reasonable to me. But it was also common back then. Abortions have been performed since writing was invented at least, and the 18th and 19th century were no exceptions. One estimate of abortion rates written in the 1860s suggests up to 10% of women had had an abortion in their lifetime, and up to 25% of all pregnancies ended in abortion. It's common now and it was common then. (source, page 76, sorry you need an account for this one).

In regards to what you said about their being no honour nor hope in today's meaningless life, I want to share with you some stories from former slaves regarding their fellow slaves taking their own lives. Talk about no hope. So no, blacks today don't have it worse than literal human chattel. Blacks today live well, they are more educated than ever, they kill themselves less than whites, and they are human beings deserving of basic human decency.

Hogwash. And others have pointed this out (thank you). Depending on the study, 50-75% of black babies are killed before they are born. How can a father raise that child or live with him/her.... what, in a urn? Then almost 70% of the ones that survive grow up in single-parent homes. So that leaves about 15% who grow up with mom married to dad... at best!

Splitting a black family by selling one or the other parent isn't much different than a divorce, I'd think many of those 'broken' families were done due to family problems. I have no stat for that, but it seems reasonable. Splitting a family knowing that one will try to escape to return to his family does not make sense.

You wrote 'blacks today live well'??? How do you figure that? They kill the majority of their babies. The ones born live with unwed mothers. Drug addiction and unemployment and crime are rampant. And all of this is done by blacks to blacks.

I 100% agree that every person of any color deserves basic decency. But I don't see where blacks today afford that for each other. And it gets worse every day.
 
Hogwash. And others have pointed this out (thank you). Depending on the study, 50-75% of black babies are killed before they are born. How can a father raise that child or live with him/her.... what, in a urn? Then almost 70% of the ones that survive grow up in single-parent homes. So that leaves about 15% who grow up with mom married to dad... at best!

Splitting a black family by selling one or the other parent isn't much different than a divorce, I'd think many of those 'broken' families were done due to family problems. I have no stat for that, but it seems reasonable. Splitting a family knowing that one will try to escape to return to his family does not make sense.

You wrote 'blacks today live well'??? How do you figure that? They kill the majority of their babies. The ones born live with unwed mothers. Drug addiction and unemployment and crime are rampant. And all of this is done by blacks to blacks.

I 100% agree that every person of any color deserves basic decency. But I don't see where blacks today afford that for each other. And it gets worse every day.
Since the father doesn't ultimately have the choice whether or not a woman gets an abortion in America I hope you can see why it's not even remotely fair to say that black fathers are being absent from their unborn child's lives and to hold it against them. You are correct, it's literally impossible to be present in a dead baby's life. That's not the father's fault though, and it's not necessarily the mothers fault either. 20% of known pregnancies die from miscarriage. For unknown pregnancies, 30% to 50%!!!! of babies die. That's for white people too. That doesn't make their father a bad person for not being in their life. And if it is a problem then any family that loses a child to ANY other means should be shunned and berated for being absent.

My source I listed in my first comment that was previously dismissed by DrHenley as being too convoluted to read clearly distinguishes between absent and single parent homes. Absent fathers are just that, completely absent. Single parent homes however does not mean the father or the mother is not involved. It just means they do not live together. It doesn't mean that they are not married either, it just means they live apart for whatever reason. My neighbours for instance are happily married with kids, but the mum is working interstate and cannot travel home due to covid. She's going to probably end up being away for 9 months, but she's not absent. She still calls her children and husband everyday and is as involved in their lives as possible. Are long haul truckers absent fathers or mothers?

"Splitting a black family by selling one or the other parent isn't much different than a divorce". What an awful 性交ing thing to say. Seriously think about what you are saying and try and convince yourself you are at all a good or decent human being. I frankly do not know how you sleep at night having thought that, and then typed it out thinking it was a reasonable counter point. It seems reasonable? These people were considered sub-human property. In a divorce at least one person CHOOSES to separate. Often times both people CHOOSE to separate. They aren't ripped from their families because some slave-owner needed a quick buck. In what world is it remotely similar to a divorce? Your name is TexasFreedom, yet here you are arguing against the freedom of others.

How big of a problem you to think black unemployment is? Pre-covid it was sitting at 5.5% for blacks, the lowest in history thanks to Trump. Economists generally agree that around 5% unemployment is ideal, it means people are transitioning between jobs and there is a workforce available to fill any new employment opportunities. That doesn't sound like problematic unemployment to me. And crime? Violent crime is at the lowest point in 30 years. Don't get me wrong, it's still an issue, but it's getting better and will continue to get better assuming that the corona virus doesn't keep causing issues beyond the next year. "It gets worse and worse everyday" is just not true. It's been getting better and better for the past 3 decades. Black people came to America not because they wanted too, but because white people thought they made good slaves. It's no wonder people are still 性交ed from it. There are black people alive today in their 60s that were not allowed to go to school with white children. This shit was not that long ago. How are their children supposed to fare in the world? How about their grandchildren?
 
If you only have time to watch one of the videos, watch THIS ONE!

Well done Sir!
Very profound topic. Well presented and powerfully worded.
I have had a similar discussion with some young men I worked with about this. I was amazed at how they could not understand that they were their own worst enemy in terms of how they voted and blamed their positions in life on others. I fear for our future generations.
More people need to see this man's video, people of all races.
 
Hogwash. And others have pointed this out (thank you). Depending on the study, 50-75% of black babies are killed before they are born. How can a father raise that child or live with him/her.... what, in a urn? Then almost 70% of the ones that survive grow up in single-parent homes. So that leaves about 15% who grow up with mom married to dad... at best!

Splitting a black family by selling one or the other parent isn't much different than a divorce, I'd think many of those 'broken' families were done due to family problems. I have no stat for that, but it seems reasonable. Splitting a family knowing that one will try to escape to return to his family does not make sense.

You wrote 'blacks today live well'??? How do you figure that? They kill the majority of their babies. The ones born live with unwed mothers. Drug addiction and unemployment and crime are rampant. And all of this is done by blacks to blacks.

I 100% agree that every person of any color deserves basic decency. But I don't see where blacks today afford that for each other. And it gets worse every day.


you know I rarely agree with you and as silly a ### as you are this takes the cake

are you trying to get banned,,,,I will leave you with a joke,,,a bad joke,,,,


I have nothing against blacks,,,I think everyone should own at least 2,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

now that is a shitty joke almost as bad as your thoughts on slavery
 
Since the father doesn't ultimately have the choice whether or not a woman gets an abortion in America I hope you can see why it's not even remotely fair to say that black fathers are being absent from their unborn child's lives and to hold it against them. You are correct, it's literally impossible to be present in a dead baby's life. That's not the father's fault though, and it's not necessarily the mothers fault either. 20% of known pregnancies die from miscarriage. For unknown pregnancies, 30% to 50%!!!! of babies die. That's for white people too. That doesn't make their father a bad person for not being in their life. And if it is a problem then any family that loses a child to ANY other means should be shunned and berated for being absent.

My source I listed in my first comment that was previously dismissed by DrHenley as being too convoluted to read clearly distinguishes between absent and single parent homes. Absent fathers are just that, completely absent. Single parent homes however does not mean the father or the mother is not involved. It just means they do not live together. It doesn't mean that they are not married either, it just means they live apart for whatever reason. My neighbours for instance are happily married with kids, but the mum is working interstate and cannot travel home due to covid. She's going to probably end up being away for 9 months, but she's not absent. She still calls her children and husband everyday and is as involved in their lives as possible. Are long haul truckers absent fathers or mothers?

"Splitting a black family by selling one or the other parent isn't much different than a divorce". What an awful 性交ing thing to say. Seriously think about what you are saying and try and convince yourself you are at all a good or decent human being. I frankly do not know how you sleep at night having thought that, and then typed it out thinking it was a reasonable counter point. It seems reasonable? These people were considered sub-human property. In a divorce at least one person CHOOSES to separate. Often times both people CHOOSE to separate. They aren't ripped from their families because some slave-owner needed a quick buck. In what world is it remotely similar to a divorce? Your name is TexasFreedom, yet here you are arguing against the freedom of others.

How big of a problem you to think black unemployment is? Pre-covid it was sitting at 5.5% for blacks, the lowest in history thanks to Trump. Economists generally agree that around 5% unemployment is ideal, it means people are transitioning between jobs and there is a workforce available to fill any new employment opportunities. That doesn't sound like problematic unemployment to me. And crime? Violent crime is at the lowest point in 30 years. Don't get me wrong, it's still an issue, but it's getting better and will continue to get better assuming that the corona virus doesn't keep causing issues beyond the next year. "It gets worse and worse everyday" is just not true. It's been getting better and better for the past 3 decades. Black people came to America not because they wanted too, but because white people thought they made good slaves. It's no wonder people are still 性交ed from it. There are black people alive today in their 60s that were not allowed to go to school with white children. This shit was not that long ago. How are their children supposed to fare in the world? How about their grandchildren?

Black people came to America because fellow black people SOLD THEM in Africa! No white man rounded them up and put them on the for sale block.

Further, slavery Was COMMON throughout history. Don’t think there was a single country that didn’t have slaves or the like. There are historians who say more white Europeans were taken for slaves by the Barbary coast Blacks than black folks. Slavery has been around since the beginning of man! Before even written word. In the Bible the word bondservant is the translation of the Greek word doulos, which means “one who is subservient to, and entirely at the disposal of, his master; a slave.”

Do you even know who STIILL HAS SLAVES? Blacks!
The mooslem slime blacks. Why don’t you go after that issue??? There are young women still being SOLD like cattle in parts of the world or stolen! Happens a lot in 3rd world countries. Yet, you have an issue with what happened to NONE of those alive today In America! Why is that?

Don't try to change reality of MOST black children not having a father in their lives! How dare you! Very few even have their mother. A LARGE percentage of Black children are raised by their grandmother!

Go back to your corner little boy. You aren’t respected or needed.
 
you know I rarely agree with you and as silly a ### as you are this takes the cake

are you trying to get banned,,,,I will leave you with a joke,,,a bad joke,,,,


I have nothing against blacks,,,I think everyone should own at least 2,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

now that is a shitty joke almost as bad as your thoughts on slavery



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I am by no means a champion of black people so don't even think about putting that label on me,,,,I don't like them,I avoid them like the plague ,and moved to a area nearly void of them

slavery was wrong and should have never happened there are still slaves in this world today,,it is a dirty business and will most likely always be with us
 
Black people came to America because fellow black people SOLD THEM in Africa! No white man rounded them up and put them on the for sale block.

Further, slavery Was COMMON throughout history. Don’t think there was a single country that didn’t have slaves or the like. There are historians who say more white Europeans were taken for slaves by the Barbary coast Blacks than black folks. Slavery has been around since the beginning of man! Before even written word. In the Bible the word bondservant is the translation of the Greek word doulos, which means “one who is subservient to, and entirely at the disposal of, his master; a slave.”

Do you even know who STIILL HAS SLAVES? Blacks!
The mooslem slime blacks. Why don’t you go after that issue??? There are young women still being SOLD like cattle in parts of the world or stolen! Happens a lot in 3rd world countries. Yet, you have an issue with what happened to NONE of those alive today In America! Why is that?

Don't try to change reality of MOST black children not having a father in their lives! How dare you! Very few even have their mother. A LARGE percentage of Black children are raised by their grandmother!

Go back to your corner little boy. You aren’t respected or needed.
"Go back to your corner little boy". Why, do you need your precious safe space?

You need to brush up on your history. Yes, Africans were enslaving other Africans and wouuld also sell them to Europeans, but there were plenty of cases of Europeans capuring and stealing people and transporting them to the New World. Also, if you can find me a single semi-decent source that shows that more than 12 MILLION white people were enslaved and sold in anywhere during that time period I will leave forever. Promise. One single source.

I do care about the issue of modern slavery. My church regularly runs slavery-free afternoon teas where we discuss issues of salvery in the chocolate, tea and clothing industries. I don't eat chocolate, I don't drink tea or coffee and with a few exceptions I only wear second hand clothes. I don't consume pornography either. I'm very very well aware of the issue of modern slavery and I abhor it all the same.

Lets just assume you are correct about black children not having fathers or mothers (it's not true, go and read the sources I linked but lets pretend). Black grandmas were not allowed to go to good schools, not allowed to marry white people. Not allowed to be educated to the same level. Not allowed to enter certain buildings. Not allowed to even use the same water fountain in many cases. They weren't allow to access loans or bank account in the same ways as whites. Black grandparents often have met slaves! This is recent history in America. How can you possible pretend that it's not going to have an effect on the young people of today? Of course it is! And it's going to continue to have effects until the gaps between education and finances grow smaller. And they are growing smaller, today is the best time to live in America as a black person and it shows in the data. From record low unemployment to far greater graduation rates than ever before. Black people are not the savages you seem to think.

Also, what is a mooslem slime black? Pretend I'm an idiot and really spell out what you mean by mooslem, slime, black.
 
Since the father doesn't ultimately have the choice whether or not a woman gets an abortion in America I hope you can see why it's not even remotely fair to say that black fathers are being absent from their unborn child's lives and to hold it against them.
Again, hogwash. If a man will step up and be a father, a huge number of these abortions would never happen. That makes a lot of assumptions: he should marry her, he should stop sleeping with other women, he should work and provide, and yes, he should spend the majority of his time with his family.

20% of known pregnancies die from miscarriage.

Hogwash. In the USA? Evidence to support this?

"Splitting a black family by selling one or the other parent isn't much different than a divorce"

I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying that there are reasons a slave owner would have sold off a slave and split his family. And one of those reasons is because the slave's family was a problem and splitting them (IOW divorce) was one option to resolve this. Why would a slave owner split a family, knowing that their work will degrade and other problems will arise? I'm not saying it didn't happen.

How big of a problem you to think black unemployment is?

I think it is a huge problem. Your 5% number are guys collecting unemployment checks. Now I am talking about legal, tax-paying jobs. Not drug dealers, not pimps/prostitutes, not gangs. Drive down an inner-city street at 2pm and the evidence is everywhere.

And, BTW, I hope and expect every church in the USA to have 'slavery-free' Sundays. Every Sunday. And I don't think blacks are 'savages', those are your words not mine. I think welfare has ruined the black family. To the degree that the best possible future for black Americans is for all welfare of all sorts to be eliminated, that I think will do more to strengthen the black family (and all families that are generational-welfare recipients) than anything welfare can do. My point in this entire discussion is that welfare is worse than slavery. Are you missing that?
 
I do care about the issue of modern slavery. My church regularly runs slavery-free afternoon teas where we discuss issues of salvery in the chocolate, tea and clothing industries. I don't eat chocolate, I don't drink tea or coffee and with a few exceptions I only wear second hand clothes. I don't consume pornography either. I'm very very well aware of the issue of modern slavery and I abhor it all the same.
You might want to check your sources about coffee. Many many small farmers in third world countries all around the world sell coffee now through fair trade co-ops, which has led to a renaissance of high quality coffee production in those countries. The green coffee suppliers I use go to those countries and talk directly to the co-ops, and I buy some green coffee directly from the co-ops.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0792JZQKQ
Even in Yemen with all it's turmoil, small coffee farmers are starting to be able to export their coffee for the first time in many years.
https://www.coffeebeancorral.com/ca...eans/East-Asian-Green-Coffee-Beans/Yemen.aspx
By NOT drinking coffee you aren't helping anyone other than your own misguided conscience.
 
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Again, hogwash. If a man will step up and be a father, a huge number of these abortions would never happen. That makes a lot of assumptions: he should marry her, he should stop sleeping with other women, he should work and provide, and yes, he should spend the majority of his time with his family.



Hogwash. In the USA? Evidence to support this?



I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying that there are reasons a slave owner would have sold off a slave and split his family. And one of those reasons is because the slave's family was a problem and splitting them (IOW divorce) was one option to resolve this. Why would a slave owner split a family, knowing that their work will degrade and other problems will arise? I'm not saying it didn't happen.



I think it is a huge problem. Your 5% number are guys collecting unemployment checks. Now I am talking about legal, tax-paying jobs. Not drug dealers, not pimps/prostitutes, not gangs. Drive down an inner-city street at 2pm and the evidence is everywhere.

And, BTW, I hope and expect every church in the USA to have 'slavery-free' Sundays. Every Sunday. And I don't think blacks are 'savages', those are your words not mine. I think welfare has ruined the black family. To the degree that the best possible future for black Americans is for all welfare of all sorts to be eliminated, that I think will do more to strengthen the black family (and all families that are generational-welfare recipients) than anything welfare can do. My point in this entire discussion is that welfare is worse than slavery. Are you missing that?
You may hope that every church has slavery-free Sundays but you would be very wrong. Morning tea chocolate biscuits infused with the souls of kidnapped Malian children, everyone wearing clothes made by Bangladeshi women cooped up in a sweatshop. Slavery is everywhere.

Source for miscarriages. I don't know why you would immediately think that is not true, paranoia perhaps? First trimester miscarriages are incredibly common, chances are you know multiple women who have had them. Second trimester miscarriages are less common but still up to 5%.

"Drive down the worst of the worst streets in the dead of night and see all the crime!" Gee, that sure is a great way to see the cold hard unbiased truth. I visited a prison the other day and by-gosh ever single person in the entire world seemed to be a criminal! If you get your data by going to where the pimps and gangs hang out in the middle of the night then sure, black people are all pimps and gangsters.

My point is that you have such a warped view of what slavery is you even dare to compare it to receiving welfare in the first place. Slaves are so horribly mistreated by the very fact that they are slaves. They don't have a choice to be on welfare or not, to marry or to educate themselves. They are property to be sold. I urge urge urge you to watch any documentary on slavery and seriously come back and tell me it's equivalent to living on welfare.


You might want to check your sources about coffee. Many many small farmers in third world countries all around the world sell coffee now through fair trade co-ops, which has led to a renaissance of high quality coffee production in those countries. The green coffee suppliers I use go to those countries and talk directly to the co-ops, and I buy some green coffee directly from the co-ops.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0792JZQKQ
Even in Yemen with all it's turmoil, small coffee farmers are starting to be able to export their coffee for the first time in many years.
https://www.coffeebeancorral.com/ca...eans/East-Asian-Green-Coffee-Beans/Yemen.aspx
I'm aware of some coffee companys and even some chocolate manufacturers that claim to be slavery-free, but even the smallest chance irks me a bit. I suppose it's nice to support guys that are at least giving it a good effort, so perhaps I should change my view about coffee. Thanks :)
 
My source I listed in my first comment that was previously dismissed by DrHenley as being too convoluted to read clearly distinguishes between absent and single parent homes.
The other reason I dismissed your source that I failed to mention was that the study got their information by surveying fathers. So basically they asked fathers whether they thought they were good fathers or not. Talk about subjective!
 
I'm aware of some coffee companys and even some chocolate manufacturers that claim to be slavery-free, but even the smallest chance irks me a bit. I suppose it's nice to support guys that are at least giving it a good effort, so perhaps I should change my view about coffee. Thanks :)
This is no small thing. Look up "Third Wave of Coffee." There is a huge new market for single source fair trade coffee. HUGE. And it is revitalizing local economies in third world countries around the world. Any time you hear the term "Single Source Coffee" that coffee was bought directly from one farm or one co-op, bypassing the large commercial markets that used to dominate the coffee supply. And people are starting to ask for source tracing on coffee. They want to know WHAT specific farm or co-op it came from and what middle men it went through from the farm to them.
 
"Go back to your corner little boy". Why, do you need your precious safe space?

You need to brush up on your history. Yes, Africans were enslaving other Africans and wouuld also sell them to Europeans, but there were plenty of cases of Europeans capuring and stealing people and transporting them to the New World. Also, if you can find me a single semi-decent source that shows that more than 12 MILLION white people were enslaved and sold in anywhere during that time period I will leave forever. Promise. One single source.

I do care about the issue of modern slavery. My church regularly runs slavery-free afternoon teas where we discuss issues of salvery in the chocolate, tea and clothing industries. I don't eat chocolate, I don't drink tea or coffee and with a few exceptions I only wear second hand clothes. I don't consume pornography either. I'm very very well aware of the issue of modern slavery and I abhor it all the same.

Lets just assume you are correct about black children not having fathers or mothers (it's not true, go and read the sources I linked but lets pretend). Black grandmas were not allowed to go to good schools, not allowed to marry white people. Not allowed to be educated to the same level. Not allowed to enter certain buildings. Not allowed to even use the same water fountain in many cases. They weren't allow to access loans or bank account in the same ways as whites. Black grandparents often have met slaves! This is recent history in America. How can you possible pretend that it's not going to have an effect on the young people of today? Of course it is! And it's going to continue to have effects until the gaps between education and finances grow smaller. And they are growing smaller, today is the best time to live in America as a black person and it shows in the data. From record low unemployment to far greater graduation rates than ever before. Black people are not the savages you seem to think.

Also, what is a mooslem slime black? Pretend I'm an idiot and really spell out what you mean by mooslem, slime, black.

No pretending. You are. Figure it out yourself.
 
Again, hogwash. If a man will step up and be a father, a huge number of these abortions would never happen. That makes a lot of assumptions: he should marry her, he should stop sleeping with other women, he should work and provide, and yes, he should spend the majority of his time with his family.



Hogwash. In the USA? Evidence to support this?



I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying that there are reasons a slave owner would have sold off a slave and split his family. And one of those reasons is because the slave's family was a problem and splitting them (IOW divorce) was one option to resolve this. Why would a slave owner split a family, knowing that their work will degrade and other problems will arise? I'm not saying it didn't happen.



I think it is a huge problem. Your 5% number are guys collecting unemployment checks. Now I am talking about legal, tax-paying jobs. Not drug dealers, not pimps/prostitutes, not gangs. Drive down an inner-city street at 2pm and the evidence is everywhere.

And, BTW, I hope and expect every church in the USA to have 'slavery-free' Sundays. Every Sunday. And I don't think blacks are 'savages', those are your words not mine. I think welfare has ruined the black family. To the degree that the best possible future for black Americans is for all welfare of all sorts to be eliminated, that I think will do more to strengthen the black family (and all families that are generational-welfare recipients) than anything welfare can do. My point in this entire discussion is that welfare is worse than slavery. Are you missing that?

LOL. This brainwashed kid is missing A LOT! He needs to worry about his little part of the world and keep his big nose out of attempting to JUDGE ours!
 

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