Is prepping and survivalism worth the effort?

Homesteading & Country Living Forum

Help Support Homesteading & Country Living Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

Silent Earth

Awesome Friend
Neighbor
Joined
Sep 25, 2013
Messages
6,926
Location
watching from afar
Is prepping and survivalism worth the effort?


The first part of survival relies on LUCK as much as good judgement. Luck if the unexpected lands in your back yard (meteor, bomb, quake, tsunami, crashed vehicle, riot, warfare etc) and you survive the initial catastrophe. Good judgement (making correct choices, having the right kit, having the essential skills etc) is what keeps you alive afterwards.

Simply being AWARE and UNDERSTANDING of the risks and threats you may face as you go about your daily work, travelling, your choice of career, where you live and work, current political affairs etc. Understanding the potential risks and understanding what steps to you need to take if something happens gives you a huge advantage over the average person in the street. Having survival skills and equipment greatly enhances that advantage you have.

Are you prepared to rely on the state to help you out in a disaster? The UK government is woefully under equipped and prepared to deal with a large scale incident, some examples spring to mind. First the prolonged ice storms and severe cold snap of 2010, the government had to go cap in hand to the private owners of 4 wheel drive vehicles to help rescue people and deliver supplies, the forces and councils could not cope.

In the previous winter two inches of snow around the M11 motorway area saw thousands of motorists stranded overnight as the authorities could not cope. In Bostcastle Cornwall the very small scale localised floods a few years ago saw all FIVE available of England and Wales rescue helicopters in use leaving the rest of the country without air cover for 24 hours.

In the floods of 2013/14 the UK government could not even provide enough SANDBAGS to go around and they had to BORROW flat bottomed rescue boats and high capacity water pumps from Holland to make up for the shortfall.

And let us never forget the government and polices response to the riots and public disorder that originated in Tottenham, London, As the riots, looting and arson spread the authorities response was to withdraw the police for their own protection for the best part of three days and left the public to fend for themselves.

Look at the government’s response to large scale strikes by transport workers, apart from muttering some comments of outrage and indignation the government simply left millions of public transport reliant commuters to their own devices to get themselves to work or home safely.

Consider the governments standard response to a terror alert in most UK cities, IE stop the public transport systems and turn off the mobile phone networks!!

Consider the UK governments response to the forthcoming power supply crisis caused by the EU insisting many of the UKs older power stations are closed down for being too dirty, not only has the UK government not got in place the building of enough new power stations but they have declined on cost grounds buying more mobile backup generators to keep essential facilities working if a shortfall in energy supplies causes blackouts.

I’ll not go into the almost weekly public health scandals over the NHS or lack of dentists or food scares like BSE or Salmonella in eggs or drinking water pollution incidents, or toxic baby formula, or E.Coli coated vegetables from Spain, or shortages of essentials that pushes many wise people to start producing as much of their own food and drinking water as they can.

Take a look at modern society.

Millions of people do not keep even a set of spare fuses or a torch and batteries at home in case of a power cut.

Equally similar numbers do not even have a basic first aid kit or the skills to treat even basic casualties. People with First aid training are still a tiny minority in British society.

Millions of drivers do not know how to check their oil and fluid levels on their car or how to change a wheel.

Millions of people (According to a Social Trends survey) buy food DAILY , only keep a pint of milk at home and have no more than one of two days food in their homes. Sociological research from LEEDS showed that as the number of flats and apartments increased in an area the less food and supplies were kept by the citizens, most relying on the close proximity of the 24 hour mini stores for groceries purchased either daily or even for each meal.

Millions of people keep only about £10 worth of petrol in their vehicles, and huge numbers of commuters have absolutely no idea about alternative routes to and from home if their primary route is blocked.

Few people keep emergency candles in case of power cuts in 2014 compared with over 2/3 of the population in the mid-seventies during the frequent power cuts caused by strikers.

Very few people can use a Map and Compass correctly or navigate cross country.

During the prolonged ice storm in the winter of 2010 people were contacting the emergency services saying they were without food after only 24 hours. Many people phoned 999 to say they did not know what to do as soon as a power cut occurred.

Some years ago I think it was the Reader Digest or some similar publication did a survey that reported that over 70% people did not know how to reset a circuit breaker or change a fuse in the domestic distribution box.

Again from the ice storms of 2010, The AA and RAC were overwhelmed by people unable to extract their cars from snow drifts or how to get off an icy stretch of road, importantly many of these calls came from owners of high end 4x4s with AWD and traction control systems. This apparently even included some “expert” police drivers !!

85% of 4 wheel drive vehicle owners / regular users have never attended a driving skills course on how to best use their vehicles.


Self-reliant survivor or State reliant refugee, its YOUR choice and your choice alone.
 
Last edited:
Geez that's unbelievable, no it's quite believable.

The good news there is that if you are a capable person you are way ahead of maybe 90% of the population, so from day 1 you have a big advantage. Add a prepping mindset and a dash of luck and you will be in the 1-2% of people that make it.
 
Is prepping and survivalism worth the effort?


The first part of survival relies on LUCK as much as good judgement. Luck if the unexpected lands in your back yard (meteor, bomb, quake, tsunami, crashed vehicle, riot, warfare etc) and you survive the initial catastrophe. Good judgement (making correct choices, having the right kit, having the essential skills etc) is what keeps you alive afterwards.

Simply being AWARE and UNDERSTANDING of the risks and threats you may face as you go about your daily work, travelling, your choice of career, where you live and work, current political affairs etc. Understanding the potential risks and understanding what steps to you need to take if something happens gives you a huge advantage over the average person in the street. Having survival skills and equipment greatly enhances that advantage you have.

Are you prepared to rely on the state to help you out in a disaster? The UK government is woefully under equipped and prepared to deal with a large scale incident, some examples spring to mind. First the prolonged ice storms and severe cold snap of 2010, the government had to go cap in hand to the private owners of 4 wheel drive vehicles to help rescue people and deliver supplies, the forces and councils could not cope.

In the previous winter two inches of snow around the M11 motorway area saw thousands of motorists stranded overnight as the authorities could not cope. In Bostcastle Devon the very small scale localised floods a few years ago saw all FIVE available of England and Wales rescue helicopters in use leaving the rest of the country without air cover for 24 hours.

In the floods of 2013/14 the UK government could not even provide enough SANDBAGS to go around and they had to BORROW flat bottomed rescue boats and high capacity water pumps from Holland to make up for the shortfall.

And let us never forget the government and polices response to the riots and public disorder that originated in Tottenham, London, As the riots, looting and arson spread the authorities response was to withdraw the police for their own protection for the best part of three days and left the public to fend for themselves.

Look at the government’s response to large scale strikes by transport workers, apart from muttering some comments of outrage and indignation the government simply left millions of public transport reliant commuters to their own devices to get themselves to work or home safely.

Consider the governments standard response to a terror alert in most UK cities, IE stop the public transport systems and turn off the mobile phone networks!!

Consider the UK governments response to the forthcoming power supply crisis caused by the EU insisting many of the UKs older power stations are closed down for being too dirty, not only has the UK government not got in place the building of enough new power stations but they have declined on cost grounds buying more mobile backup generators to keep essential facilities working if a shortfall in energy supplies causes blackouts.

I’ll not go into the almost weekly public health scandals over the NHS or lack of dentists or food scares like BSE or Salmonella in eggs or drinking water pollution incidents, or toxic baby formula, or E.Coli coated vegetables from Spain, or shortages of essentials that pushes many wise people to start producing as much of their own food and drinking water as they can.

Take a look at modern society.

Millions of people do not keep even a set of spare fuses or a torch and batteries at home in case of a power cut.

Equally similar numbers do not even have a basic first aid kit or the skills to treat even basic casualties. People with First aid training are still a tiny minority in British society.

Millions of drivers do not know how to check their oil and fluid levels on their car or how to change a wheel.

Millions of people (According to a Social Trends survey) buy food DAILY , only keep a pint of milk at home and have no more than one of two days food in their homes. Sociological research from LEEDS showed that as the number of flats and apartments increased in an area the less food and supplies were kept by the citizens, most relying on the close proximity of the 24 hour mini stores for groceries purchased either daily or even for each meal.

Millions of people keep only about £10 worth of petrol in their vehicles, and huge numbers of commuters have absolutely no idea about alternative routes to and from home if their primary route is blocked.

Few people keep emergency candles in case of power cuts in 2014 compared with over 2/3 of the population in the mid-seventies during the frequent power cuts caused by strikers.

Very few people can use a Map and Compass correctly or navigate cross country.

During the prolonged ice storm in the winter of 2010 people were contacting the emergency services saying they were without food after only 24 hours. Many people phoned 999 to say they did not know what to do as soon as a power cut occurred.

Some years ago I think it was the Reader Digest or some similar publication did a survey that reported that over 70% people did not know how to reset a circuit breaker or change a fuse in the domestic distribution box.

Again from the ice storms of 2010, The AA and RAC were overwhelmed by people unable to extract their cars from snow drifts or how to get off an icy stretch of road, importantly many of these calls came from owners of high end 4x4s with AWD and traction control systems. This apparently even included some “expert” police drivers !!

85% of 4 wheel drive vehicle owners / regular users have never attended a driving skills course on how to best use their vehicles.


Self-reliant survivor or State reliant refugee, its YOUR choice and your choice alone.


Spot on...great post Northern. Great post!
 
Wow. For a second there I thought you might argue that it's NOT worth the effort. Then I thought you were going to make a case that luck had as much to do with survival as preparedness. Good post.

I've said to my wife time and again that the #1, absolute, most important thing when it comes to preparedness is MINDSET. As you pointed out, most people are relying on someone else to save their hide. Once you realize that, you start looking at what are the most likely causes of crisis, and then how to handle them. The masses aren't doing that, but hopefully they will start before they're caught with their pants down. Thanks again for the post.
 
most of the UK population have no more than 2 -3 DAYS worth of food in the house(that's if you call pizza and tv dinners FOOD), once that is gone they will turn on each other.
 
Northern Raider,
you write down wise words, that about food applys to the city dwellers here also...atleast there I think I'm ahead of 99% of my surrounding..only problem here is centralheating..once it's gone,it's gone,these modern houses don't have any back-up heating system any more,which leads me to get a kerosene heater for emergency, one warm room will do for me.
I've tried to convice my oldest son to keep "emergency food" at home..just the way I do,like he suggested to me years ago,now it's my turn
 
I just don't understand "ordinary" people, when I was growing up it was just common sense to have a food pantry, some candles and a torch/flashlight, now its seen as crazy/paranoid.
 
Is prepping and survivalism worth the effort?


The first part of survival relies on LUCK as much as good judgement. Luck if the unexpected lands in your back yard (meteor, bomb, quake, tsunami, crashed vehicle, riot, warfare etc) and you survive the initial catastrophe. Good judgement (making correct choices, having the right kit, having the essential skills etc) is what keeps you alive afterwards.

Simply being AWARE and UNDERSTANDING of the risks and threats you may face as you go about your daily work, travelling, your choice of career, where you live and work, current political affairs etc. Understanding the potential risks and understanding what steps to you need to take if something happens gives you a huge advantage over the average person in the street. Having survival skills and equipment greatly enhances that advantage you have.

Are you prepared to rely on the state to help you out in a disaster? The UK government is woefully under equipped and prepared to deal with a large scale incident, some examples spring to mind. First the prolonged ice storms and severe cold snap of 2010, the government had to go cap in hand to the private owners of 4 wheel drive vehicles to help rescue people and deliver supplies, the forces and councils could not cope.

In the previous winter two inches of snow around the M11 motorway area saw thousands of motorists stranded overnight as the authorities could not cope. In Bostcastle Cornwall the very small scale localised floods a few years ago saw all FIVE available of England and Wales rescue helicopters in use leaving the rest of the country without air cover for 24 hours.

In the floods of 2013/14 the UK government could not even provide enough SANDBAGS to go around and they had to BORROW flat bottomed rescue boats and high capacity water pumps from Holland to make up for the shortfall.

And let us never forget the government and polices response to the riots and public disorder that originated in Tottenham, London, As the riots, looting and arson spread the authorities response was to withdraw the police for their own protection for the best part of three days and left the public to fend for themselves.

Look at the government’s response to large scale strikes by transport workers, apart from muttering some comments of outrage and indignation the government simply left millions of public transport reliant commuters to their own devices to get themselves to work or home safely.

Consider the governments standard response to a terror alert in most UK cities, IE stop the public transport systems and turn off the mobile phone networks!!

Consider the UK governments response to the forthcoming power supply crisis caused by the EU insisting many of the UKs older power stations are closed down for being too dirty, not only has the UK government not got in place the building of enough new power stations but they have declined on cost grounds buying more mobile backup generators to keep essential facilities working if a shortfall in energy supplies causes blackouts.

I’ll not go into the almost weekly public health scandals over the NHS or lack of dentists or food scares like BSE or Salmonella in eggs or drinking water pollution incidents, or toxic baby formula, or E.Coli coated vegetables from Spain, or shortages of essentials that pushes many wise people to start producing as much of their own food and drinking water as they can.

Take a look at modern society.

Millions of people do not keep even a set of spare fuses or a torch and batteries at home in case of a power cut.

Equally similar numbers do not even have a basic first aid kit or the skills to treat even basic casualties. People with First aid training are still a tiny minority in British society.

Millions of drivers do not know how to check their oil and fluid levels on their car or how to change a wheel.

Millions of people (According to a Social Trends survey) buy food DAILY , only keep a pint of milk at home and have no more than one of two days food in their homes. Sociological research from LEEDS showed that as the number of flats and apartments increased in an area the less food and supplies were kept by the citizens, most relying on the close proximity of the 24 hour mini stores for groceries purchased either daily or even for each meal.

Millions of people keep only about £10 worth of petrol in their vehicles, and huge numbers of commuters have absolutely no idea about alternative routes to and from home if their primary route is blocked.

Few people keep emergency candles in case of power cuts in 2014 compared with over 2/3 of the population in the mid-seventies during the frequent power cuts caused by strikers.

Very few people can use a Map and Compass correctly or navigate cross country.

During the prolonged ice storm in the winter of 2010 people were contacting the emergency services saying they were without food after only 24 hours. Many people phoned 999 to say they did not know what to do as soon as a power cut occurred.

Some years ago I think it was the Reader Digest or some similar publication did a survey that reported that over 70% people did not know how to reset a circuit breaker or change a fuse in the domestic distribution box.

Again from the ice storms of 2010, The AA and RAC were overwhelmed by people unable to extract their cars from snow drifts or how to get off an icy stretch of road, importantly many of these calls came from owners of high end 4x4s with AWD and traction control systems. This apparently even included some “expert” police drivers !!

85% of 4 wheel drive vehicle owners / regular users have never attended a driving skills course on how to best use their vehicles.


Self-reliant survivor or State reliant refugee, its YOUR choice and your choice alone.
It's kind of sad to look at how niave most people are. Gives you a bad taste for humanity overall. Aren't we supposed to be the smartest animal on the planet? Good post, I just wish you would submit it to a major paper and see if they will print it for the masses.
 
YES! But, the Bible says the way is narrow and few there be that find it...for some strange reason I think that includes plain old common good sense, too! Don't see much of that anymore! Everyone more worried about what they want instead of what they need...entitlement, something for nothing...there are consequences to those choices! Think I will hold onto my "prepper" attitude...I know I will never be fully prepared in my preps, but I do at least something every day...whether it be to learn something worthwhile or to practice scenarios made up in my head! I LOVE being prepared!
 
since I began to prep,I've found that I'm more at ease knowing;I have food,medicine,first-aid supplies,hunting and protective "tools" ;) , learned a thing or two from you friends and if neccesary the will to use that knowledge..

I deffinately feel more secure 'cause I know I can help my family
 
atleast our 5 year plans have a possibility to succed, unlike the sovjet 5 year plans ;)
 
I feel in my gut that every skill I learn towards self sufficencey will help make our lives easier one day. I know if I had to depend on my chickens, rabbits, and gardening, I have a fighting chance of not starving to death now. Just three years ago I wouldn't have stood a chance. I'm hoping that if we do have a disaster or pandemic I will be able to not just survive, but will be able to survive comfortably. Each year I learn a little more and with practice get closer to the goal.
 
I feel in my gut that every skill I learn towards self sufficencey will help make our lives easier one day. I know if I had to depend on my chickens, rabbits, and gardening, I have a fighting chance of not starving to death now. Just three years ago I wouldn't have stood a chance. I'm hoping that if we do have a disaster or pandemic I will be able to not just survive, but will be able to survive comfortably. Each year I learn a little more and with practice get closer to the goal.

Pretty much my situation to a T. Heck, we're even set up for low-tech transportation (horses), though I really wouldn't want to be in a saddle all day, hehe. We may be adding some goats to the mix soon too....I'm still kind of researching that one...but so far, seem pretty low maintenance and low cost.

Like you, my goal is to make my family comfortable after a disaster, not just survive.
 
are thinking some of my colleagues are smarter than I thought, one lady said when having a smoke ; you are like a prepper with your garden and other interests ;)
 
Many people can survive, but it takes a prepper to survive and thrive.
don't give "the masses" too much credit my friend, I can just see them running around panicking and dropping like flies when their meagre "supplies" run out.
 
Be careful Jontte the masses have just enough brain cells to work out and remember that you have supplies and food stashed away.
 
After a SHTF event, there will be 3 kinds of people left in cities....
1) Those that hide well, horde supplies, and do small, quick raids on empty locations for supplies (very low percentage will be these folks, about 3 percent)
2) Those that band together in gangs to take from others (about 10 percent of the populace)
3) Those that are victimized by the gangs (the other 87 percent of those left)

The smart ones will have already been living outside the cities, or would have fled the cities in the first wave, after the SHTF. Those who had a place to go, will do ok, but those who didn't, are going to be fighting each other (and trying to attack those with supplies). It's these latter folks that I really plan for.
 
After a SHTF event, there will be 3 kinds of people left in cities....
1) Those that hide well, horde supplies, and do small, quick raids on empty locations for supplies (very low percentage will be these folks, about 3 percent)
2) Those that band together in gangs to take from others (about 10 percent of the populace)
3) Those that are victimized by the gangs (the other 87 percent of those left)

The smart ones will have already been living outside the cities, or would have fled the cities in the first wave, after the SHTF. Those who had a place to go, will do ok, but those who didn't, are going to be fighting each other (and trying to attack those with supplies). It's these latter folks that I really plan for.

I think you're pretty close there... I only differ in thinking that there will be more victimizers and fewer victims. Well, that kind of varies, because today's victimizer will likely be tomorrow's victim, just as you see happen today in inner city gang warfare. I hope and pray that there are more folks in the inner city that are prepared than 3%, but you never know. I know when talking to a handful of local, unprepared, pseudoo-tough guys, almost every one of them said they would hit the pharmacy and grocery stores right away... I wonder if they know everyone else is thinking the same thing. I just can't imagine pinning my family's survival on that type of dice roll.
 
I think the present day homeless are going to fare the best in cities. They already know how to hide and survive, so low learning curve. However, they will also be a lot of the initial victims.

That's why it is a percentage I gave though...because the actual number of folks is going to be less and less soon after. And those percentages are going to fluctuate and change over time.
 
I think prepping is fun and I have been doing it the part 10 yrs, changing ideas often and finding out more about the moral decline in cities all over the world, so I finally decided to get away from Western Countries and big city's? Finally 5 yrs ago I decided to Bug Out and ended in SE Asia, on a 12 Ha mountain property on a tropical Island? we are 13km/8miles from the Pacific Ocean and 1500 Ft high, growing organic food and have small animals? We are thinking of starting a small Commune with people with different skills and hope to get some ideas how other preppers are doing, so if you want more info go to cavemanjoe65 at gmail dot com Good luck to all, Joe
 
I think prepping is fun and I have been doing it the part 10 yrs, changing ideas often and finding out more about the moral decline in cities all over the world, so I finally decided to get away from Western Countries and big city's? Finally 5 yrs ago I decided to Bug Out and ended in SE Asia, on a 12 Ha mountain property on a tropical Island? we are 13km/8miles from the Pacific Ocean and 1500 Ft high, growing organic food and have small animals? We are thinking of starting a small Commune with people with different skills and hope to get some ideas how other preppers are doing, so if you want more info go to cavemanjoe65 at gmail dot com Good luck to all, Joe

Let me guess, you are selling 'cave homes' in se asia, philippines specifically? You a realtor Joe? seems like I seen your ad before sometime last week
 
Let me guess, you are selling 'cave homes' in se asia, philippines specifically? You a realtor Joe? seems like I seen your ad before sometime last week

No Maverick, just a private person offering to start a commune so we have people with different skills, Our property is to big for me to manage by myself, also getting to old for all the physical work, lucky my wife and daughters help?
 
No Maverick, just a private person offering to start a commune so we have people with different skills, Our property is to big for me to manage by myself, also getting to old for all the physical work, lucky my wife and daughters help?

oh ok, I seen a similar statement to yours that was pitching cave homes for $50.000 to $75.000 in mindanao, philippines

I know about getting too old, I have our kids and grand kids taking care of our property though they have their perks :)
 
yes getting older is a bitch, specially if the brain is still sharp or young and bursting with ideas? Its hard to convince people of what is likely to happen, but even if nothing happens we still have a nice property and a healthy lifestyle? The situation in Russia is worrying with a good chance it will go Nuclear? Also the predictions of a Meteor landing in the Atlantic, according to Russian Military sources ? They have been tracking this for a while now and if true then NO Government will tell you until its to late, avoiding panics? That will hit Washington also ??
 

Latest posts

Back
Top