How to explain what can happen with cashless society

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BillMasen

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its also the most likely way to go after your guns, EG perhaps a $150 tax on every brick or tub of ammo ( to pay for Obamacare they will claim) licence magazines, licence and require very expensive gun liability insurance for every gun citizens own. and other such typical socialist tactics.
 

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its also the most likely way to go after your guns, EG perhaps a $150 tax on every brick or tub of ammo ( to pay for Obamacare they will claim) licence magazines, licence and require very expensive gun liability insurance for every gun citizens own. and other such typical socialist tactics.
Communist camel has already said she wants to TAX every single weapon!
 

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Imagine the federal government being able to see and record every gun, ammo, food, fuel and other prepper purchase and be able to see how much gear you have bought and cached.
Billy-Bob Clinton signed Executive Order 12919 in June 1994 that allows the Feds to seize all food and water resources from the private and public sectors.:mad:
 

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It's not a matter if but when we go to a cashless society, the Federal Reserve has been wanting to do this since the 80s, the banks control the FR by law, they always have since it's forming in 1913 under the Federal Reserve Act. The one thing a bank hates more than anything and that's cash withdraws thus less control over the cash. The Federal Government wants a cashless society for more nefarious purpose, better control of the people, both the FR and Federal Government are under no moral obligations when it comes to control of the populace so both have there reasons. Don't be surprised when the Governments outlaw the ownership of gold, "Under current federal law, gold bullion can be confiscated by the federal government in times of national crisis" Don't think it can't happen, Emergency Banking Act Executive Order 6102 in March 1933 put limitation on gold ownership repealed December 31, 1974, we will see this kind of restrictions in a cashless society or worse.

But.. all this isn't coming soon, cash still reigns king and isn't going to lose that title anytime soon. The only one keeping the cash wars alive is credit card companies and digital banks.
 

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Billy-Bob Clinton signed Executive Order 12919 in June 1994 that allows the Feds to seize all food and water resources from the private and public sectors.:mad:
EO12919 is amendment to early Defense Production Act of 1950 EO, Clinton didn't put that in the EO, it's been in earlier EOs since the early days of the cold war of the 50s ;)

"This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense industrial resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended ('the Act'), except for the amendments to Title III of the Act in the Energy Security Act of 1980 and telecommunication authorities under Executive Order No. 12472.' The following are superseded or revoked: (1) Section 3, Executive Order No. 8248 of September 8, 1939, (4 FR 3864). (2) Executive Order No. 10222 of March 8, 1951 (16 FR 2247). (3) Executive Order No. 10480 of August 14, 1953 (18 FR 4939). (4) Executive Order No. 10647 of November 28, 1955 (20 FR 8769). (5) Executive Order No. 11179 of September 22, 1964 (29 FR 13239). (6) Executive Order No. 11355 of May 26, 1967 (32 FR 7803). (7) Sections 7 and 8, Executive Order No. 11912 of April 13, (41 FR 15825, 15826-27). (8) Section 3, Executive Order No. 12148 of July 20, 1979, (44 FR 43239, 43241). (9) Executive Order No. 12521 of June 24, 1985 (50 FR 26335). (10) Executive Order No. 12649 of August 11, 1988 (53 FR 30639). (11) Executive Order No. 12773 of September 26, 1991 (56 FR 49387), except that part of the order that amends section 604 of Executive Order 10480. (b) Executive Order No. 10789 of November 14, 1958, is amended by deleting ''and in view of the existing national emergency declared by Proclamation No. 2914 of December 16, 1950,'' as it appears in the first sentence. (c) Executive Order No. 11790, as amended, relating to the Federal Energy Administration Act of 1974, is amended by deleting ''Executive Order No. 10480'' where it appears in section 4 and substituting this order's number. (d) Subject to subsection 904(c) of this order, to the extent that any provision of any prior Executive order is inconsistent with the provisions of this order, this order shall control and such prior provision is amended accordingly"
 
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EO12919 is amendment to early Defense Production Act of 1950 EO, Clinton didn't put that in the EO, it's been in earlier EOs since the early days of the cold war of the 50s ;)

"This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense industrial resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended ('the Act'), except for the amendments to Title III of the Act in the Energy Security Act of 1980 and telecommunication authorities under Executive Order No. 12472.' The following are superseded or revoked: (1) Section 3, Executive Order No. 8248 of September 8, 1939, (4 FR 3864). (2) Executive Order No. 10222 of March 8, 1951 (16 FR 2247). (3) Executive Order No. 10480 of August 14, 1953 (18 FR 4939). (4) Executive Order No. 10647 of November 28, 1955 (20 FR 8769). (5) Executive Order No. 11179 of September 22, 1964 (29 FR 13239). (6) Executive Order No. 11355 of May 26, 1967 (32 FR 7803). (7) Sections 7 and 8, Executive Order No. 11912 of April 13, (41 FR 15825, 15826-27). (8) Section 3, Executive Order No. 12148 of July 20, 1979, (44 FR 43239, 43241). (9) Executive Order No. 12521 of June 24, 1985 (50 FR 26335). (10) Executive Order No. 12649 of August 11, 1988 (53 FR 30639). (11) Executive Order No. 12773 of September 26, 1991 (56 FR 49387), except that part of the order that amends section 604 of Executive Order 10480. (b) Executive Order No. 10789 of November 14, 1958, is amended by deleting ''and in view of the existing national emergency declared by Proclamation No. 2914 of December 16, 1950,'' as it appears in the first sentence. (c) Executive Order No. 11790, as amended, relating to the Federal Energy Administration Act of 1974, is amended by deleting ''Executive Order No. 10480'' where it appears in section 4 and substituting this order's number. (d) Subject to subsection 904(c) of this order, to the extent that any provision of any prior Executive order is inconsistent with the provisions of this order, this order shall control and such prior provision is amended accordingly"
I’m sure the rich and powerful elite are exempt from these Executive Orders.
 

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EO12919 is amendment to early Defense Production Act of 1950 EO, Clinton didn't put that in the EO, it's been in earlier EOs since the early days of the cold war of the 50s ;)

"This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense industrial resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended ('the Act'), except for the amendments to Title III of the Act in the Energy Security Act of 1980 and telecommunication authorities under Executive Order No. 12472.' The following are superseded or revoked: (1) Section 3, Executive Order No. 8248 of September 8, 1939, (4 FR 3864). (2) Executive Order No. 10222 of March 8, 1951 (16 FR 2247). (3) Executive Order No. 10480 of August 14, 1953 (18 FR 4939). (4) Executive Order No. 10647 of November 28, 1955 (20 FR 8769). (5) Executive Order No. 11179 of September 22, 1964 (29 FR 13239). (6) Executive Order No. 11355 of May 26, 1967 (32 FR 7803). (7) Sections 7 and 8, Executive Order No. 11912 of April 13, (41 FR 15825, 15826-27). (8) Section 3, Executive Order No. 12148 of July 20, 1979, (44 FR 43239, 43241). (9) Executive Order No. 12521 of June 24, 1985 (50 FR 26335). (10) Executive Order No. 12649 of August 11, 1988 (53 FR 30639). (11) Executive Order No. 12773 of September 26, 1991 (56 FR 49387), except that part of the order that amends section 604 of Executive Order 10480. (b) Executive Order No. 10789 of November 14, 1958, is amended by deleting ''and in view of the existing national emergency declared by Proclamation No. 2914 of December 16, 1950,'' as it appears in the first sentence. (c) Executive Order No. 11790, as amended, relating to the Federal Energy Administration Act of 1974, is amended by deleting ''Executive Order No. 10480'' where it appears in section 4 and substituting this order's number. (d) Subject to subsection 904(c) of this order, to the extent that any provision of any prior Executive order is inconsistent with the provisions of this order, this order shall control and such prior provision is amended accordingly"
Wether it’s an actual law or not, soldiers throughout history have come in and taken whatever resources they needed. Some left IOU’s, some simply shot the current residents if they resisted. Many today don’t think anything like this could happen but if you look through history it’s happened time and time again. My best advice is never keep all your eggs in one basket. That way if anyone with more and bigger guns than you come and take your basket then at least you still have the other ones you squirreled away.
 

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I dont mind a cashless society post SHTF thats a different kettle of fish, but a cashless society NOW means using cards for everything and they can be tracked by anyone who has the computer skills.
it also means no open markets and no car boot sales/flea markets and that would be a shame.
 

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Another factor is that if the power grid does go down nobody can access any money.
Or a hacker takes it all. I always keep a paper copy of my bank statements and a portion of cash hidden away. I think I read somewhere that banks have no legal obligation to refund you for stolen money when stolen electronically. Not sure if this was just in the UK or not.
 

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digital money can be hacked out of your account. And government can take it with the right orders. If the card readers are down for any time there will be no payments made, no buying or selling.

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not worried about being hacked as I have never been hacked in my 8 years of having the same account. If you're getting hacked, most people know rather quickly and the bank makes it right. Also algorithms in the banks that will notify you of anything suspicious like when I flew to Phoenix 2 years ago and the bank called me and asked if I was in Phoenix. What "right orders" do you mean? Child support etc.?
Ask your friend to DuckDuck "civil forfeiture." That'll change his mind real quick if he thinks the government isn't willing to take his money. Under the auspices of protecting the public from drug dealers, police are allowed to seize cash from people if they suspect it was acquired from drug dealing. There are loads of examples on the web where the police have overstepped their boundaries and citizens have had to spend oodles in lawyer fees to get their cash back.

Bottom line: The government will abuse their power when they get permission to do so from the people.
 

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I would have thought a cashless society, which I have been reading about since 1980, would still be a ways off. With these extremist virus measures taken by government though I'm not so sure. All they have to do is cook up stories about the virus being transmitted by the notes and they will have the sheeple behind them all the way. Cash has already been demonized in the media along these lines.
 

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it also means no open markets and no car boot sales/flea markets and that would be a shame.
We can get a glimpse of what this would look like right now in China. The street vendors take electronic payments. Your mobile phone is your wallet. Everyone in China is required to carry a mobile phone and have it with them at all times.
 

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