how long will it take you to die WTSHTF?

[BillMasen]

Fatties, Diabetics, Those with congenital conditions requiring meds, Anyone stupid enough to rely on the state, Numerous cretins who say " that LOOKS safe to drink", Half of Chicago, Drug addicts taking risks to find money to buy a fix, Urban city folk when hygiene breaks down, Residents of granny farms and the Dumbasses who say "lets go attack that prepper family"

 

[BillMasen]

In the last two weeks, four people I haven't spoken with in a long time have tried to contact me. These are people who years ago, asked me why I moved so far from the city and decided I was too far to come see, always expecting me to travel to them in the city. Eventually I got tired of doing all of the traveling and stopped talking to them.

I have not responded.

Ditto our former friends who we have not heard from since we moved out of town suddenly get in touch when covid started to bite.

 

[Helen Back]

Howdy Gar!

I don't miss any of them. I always made the drive to help them with big projects (landscaping, remodels, work, etc). They never came out to help with anything. I'm not letting the unprepared just move on in, to cut into my preps because they have finally seen the light and are afraid. I have a neighbor with a large family and no preps that says when SHTF we all need to pool our resources. Yeah, for sure, I'm prepping for the whole neighborhood. When SHTF, I have about zero fear of city folk coming out. It's my unprepared neighbors I fear. They are all around. That's why I am trying to sell off and move waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out; where everyone is prepared, or they die. I want to be around other hard working, forward thinking people, not people who "hate" socialism, until they need your things.

 

[GaRp58]

Sorry you are in that situation...maybe these days are YOUR wake up call to get on movin' on...GP

 

[bigpaul]

Howdy Gar!

I don't miss any of them. I always made the drive to help them with big projects (landscaping, remodels, work, etc). They never came out to help with anything. I'm not letting the unprepared just move on in, to cut into my preps because they have finally seen the light and are afraid. I have a neighbor with a large family and no preps that says when SHTF we all need to pool our resources. Yeah, for sure, I'm prepping for the whole neighborhood. When SHTF, I have about zero fear of city folk coming out. It's my unprepared neighbors I fear. They are all around. That's why I am trying to sell off and move waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out; where everyone is prepared, or they die. I want to be around other hard working, forward thinking people, not people who "hate" socialism, until they need your things.

there will be a lot of people like that post SHTF, for awhile anyway.

 

[Mountain Dragon]

Hmmm... i would like to be far away from cities, hotspots and non-prepared people in post SHTF times....

 

[bigpaul]

Hmmm... i would like to be far away from cities, hotspots and non-prepared people in post SHTF times....

amen to that brother!!

 

[UK-Ghost]

The article in OP is kind of pointless, the SHTF scenario would be as big a determining factor as much as whether you've prepped or not.

Argentina has experienced shtf with an unstable economy for years.
Venezuela has been in a shtf scenario for what? Best part of 20yrs?
Bosnia...
Ukraine back in 2014... Ukraine today...

SHTF & TEOTWAWKI aren't the same thing.

 

[Freedomfirst]

Agree with you completly.
But it hopefully can be an start to find the way into the topic
I startet with a few cans of Ravioli too many years ago.

How many kinds of raviolis do you have now lol

 

[Mountain Dragon]

How many kinds of raviolis do you have now lol

Not more than i eat in an half year anyway.

 

[bigpaul]

SHTF & TEOTWAWKI aren't the same thing.

agreed! a lot people who say they are "preppers" only prepare for SHTF not TEOTWAWKI.

 

[DrHenley]

I would argue that COVID was a TEOTWAWKI event.
Maybe not as catastrophically as you normally think of for a TEOTWAWKI event, but that world as we knew it before COVID will never be the same.
Just the simple fact that COVID ended free and fair elections in the US is enough to change the world dramatically, and we are now seeing it play out on the world stage.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

agreed! a lot people who say they are "preppers" only prepare for SHTF not TEOTWAWKI.

I divide it by the terms prepper vs. Survivalist. The difference being that the survivalist has taken additional steps to survive even without stored "things".

I was kind of a handful growing up so my parents sent me to a summer camp where after a couple of weeks of training, they dropped a small group of us kids out in the mountainous woods with the clothes on our backs, a multitool and a small pot. We had three days to get to the rendezvous point before they would come looking for us.

These days it would be considered child abuse and too dangerous. Best camp I ever went to!

 

[bigpaul]

I divide it by the terms prepper vs. Survivalist. The difference being that the survivalist has taken additional steps to survive even without stored "things".

I was kind of a handful growing up so my parents sent me to a summer camp where after a couple of weeks of training, they dropped a small group of us kids out in the mountainous woods with the clothes on our backs, a multitool and a small pot. We had three days to get to the rendezvous point before they would come looking for us.

These days it would be considered child abuse and too dangerous. Best camp I ever went to!

my wife says I am a survivalist because I think long term, most people here only think in terms of small scale events.

 

[bigpaul]

I would argue that COVID was a TEOTWAWKI event.
Maybe not as catastrophically as you normally think of for a TEOTWAWKI event, but that world as we knew it before COVID will never be the same.
Just the simple fact that COVID ended free and fair elections in the US is enough to change the world dramatically, and we are now seeing it play out on the world stage.

The Black Death/Plague was a TEOTWAWKI event, Covid by comparison is more SHTF.
the plague killed about 40% of the British population, wiped some villages off the map, Covid %'s are more in single figures.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

my wife says I am a survivalist because I think long term, most people here only think in terms of small scale events.

I have a pretty good chunk of land so I can renew my preps indefinitely. Taken steps to be able to function and live long term without any modern conveniences such as motorized vehicles, modern medicine, electricity, communications and to an extent, firearms. The solar panels and such, are simply icing on the cake for as long as they might last.

TEOTWAWKI would last probably the rest of my lifetime which is a while. Long beyond my ability to store goods that would last that long. If I was to lose the land and have to become a nomad, have made "preparations" for that as well.

 

[bigpaul]

I lived for over a decade on a small(by US standards) piece of land in a 2 roomed wooden trailer growing my own food and shooting small game, no electric-of any kind, water from a stream/small river and toilet was a hole in the ground, and I loved every minute of it!!! and will do it again in a heartbeat once society collapses as it inevitably will. I'm a recluse anyway(more so since Covid) .

 

[UK-Ghost]

agreed! a lot people who say they are "preppers" only prepare for SHTF not TEOTWAWKI.

"Prepper" means different things to different people, SHTF everyday, TEOTWAWKI not so much.

All survivalists are preppers, not all preppers are survivalists.

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

Personally I see little purpose in our current world situation to be a Prepper and not a Survivalist as well. What good is it to extend your food when you don’t have a way to grow and raise more?

Of course, I’m the type that always look forward to the “worst situation possible”.

 

[rainingcatzanddogs]

Personally I see little purpose in our current world situation to be a Prepper and not a Survivalist as well. What good is it to extend your food when you don’t have a way to grow and raise more?

Of course, I’m the type that always look forward to the “worst situation possible”.

I think those that prep with put up supplies only are still not "all in" on the belief that modern society is fragile and able to completely be destroyed without them seeing it coming in time to shore up preps.

Emotionally it is a horrible thought path to go down to start thinking about what people would be capable of doing to one another and how hard and short life would become.

It also is so out of the realm of most people's experiences that they have difficulty imagining the details of it.

I mean, lets face it...very few people want to learn agriculture or animal husbandry these days. They think because they can grow a garden or keep a couple of chickens in their back yard, switching over to doing that on a large scale and living off nothing but what you produce will be the same, just more work...they would be mistaken.