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bigpaul said:
you eat it then!:Dwe'll sit and wait and see what it does to you.
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I’m way more afraid to eat something that had weed killer sprayed around it than a genetically modified plant. I don’t believe they’re any risk in this type of modification.
 
'The next major berry has eluded food producers for years.' Makes them sound like they're hiding out and practicing deep cover techniques.

I grew physalis a few years ago and, while it's tasty enough, I doubt it would ever challenge rasps and strawbs for my affections.
 
Brent S said:
I’m way more afraid to eat something that had weed killer sprayed around it than a genetically modified plant. I don’t believe they’re any risk in this type of modification.
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I think their both as bad as each other but I have no wish to eat anything that's had its gene's messed about with and that's the one I would avoid at all cost.
 
I don't see an issue with it given many crops eatin today are hybreads (from plant breaders) the only problem I have with genetically modified plant is from the original usage and what gives genetically modified plant a bad wrap and thats making them immune to pesticides or incorporating pesticides in the genetic code. what they are doing here looks to be doing what plant breeders are doing but instead of using pollen they are using genetic engineering methods. Also remember honey bees have created hybread plants in the wild, Bayer and Monsanto have evilized genetic engineering and from what I'm reading this isn't what Lippman is doing but time will tell.
 
I have heard that most food from the USA is GM, wife and I are very careful of what we eat and most of what we do eat is local- a 20 mile radius at most.
I read a report about chicken imported from the US into the EU that has been washed with a banned(here) disinfectant.
 
There are hybrids, and then there are genetically modified organisms. Those are two entirely different animals.

Nature has certain limits on how much an organism can be modified by natural means. Mutations are 99.9% fatal, but that 0.1% can be beneficial (always with downsides) Sickle cell anemia for example. It can make a person resistant to malaria, but at such a cost! It is only beneficial when the risk of dying young from malaria outweighs the risk of all the harmful effects of the condition...including a reduced life expectancy.

We don't know in advance what the downsides are with changing DNA. If we would just look at the history of trying to fool Mother Nature, we'd see that the consequences are permanently harmful more often than not.
 
I agree there is a lot of science that can be dangerous. I believe this was just speeding up natural changes that nature has been doing for eons. Embedding pesticides in something you eat just isn’t smart and you don’t need a science degree to figure that one out. I love the idea of combining plants genetically. A potatoe plant that grows tomatoes for example. It’s not dangerous and produces more food. What’s not to like. Like doc said, cross breeding usually dosent produce viable seeds, but this process can potentially speed up the trial and error that would take generations of farmers to work out successful plants.
 
We're getting into H.G. Wells territory now...
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DrHenley said:
We're getting into H.G. Wells territory now...
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I was thinking oddly of pet cemetery,

I know as in hybrid and in genetics things can go south, their is a berry in Colorado that is poisonous but the same berry can be eaten on the west coast meaning the plant mutated between the Rockies and the West Coast, same can be said about genetically modified foods but, unlike hybrids GMO plants/crop can't be pollinated to cause mutation that I know of on the level that would cause mutation or I thought? but what concerns me is a study out of Oxford.

"Genetic modification (GM) of crops has been accompanied by concerns of environmental impact, including effects to beneficial organisms such as bees. Currently, most commercial GM crops are modified for pest and/or herbicide resistance. Transgenes such as Bt may be expressed in pollen, resulting in exposure to bees. However, studies to date indicate that crops transformed with genes coding for Bt proteins will not harm bees. Herbicide resistant crops are not likely to pose direct toxicity effects to bees; yet, greater weed control in herbicide resistant crops may be responsible for a lower bee abundance in these crops than non-transformed crops. Reduced pesticide use associated with insect resistant GM crops, and reduced tillage that is possible with herbicide tolerant crops, could be beneficial to bee populations compared to conventional agriculture. Risk of GM crops to bees should be assessed on a case-by-case basis in relation to feasible alternatives."

How many more transgenes that the pollen is exposed to because that can cause mutation?
 
bigpaul said:
I definitely wont be growing or eating GM plants post SHTF, I have my store of heritage seeds for that.
I understand that GM seeds are infertile you have to buy fresh seed every year, obviously wont be possible post SHTF.
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That’s all I use is heritage seeds and non gm hybrid plants.
 
Brent S said:
I’m way more afraid to eat something that had weed killer sprayed around it than a genetically modified plant. I don’t believe they’re any risk in this type of modification.
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You might want to read this study: https://www.sourcewatch.org/images/b/bb/Seralini2012.pdf

Rats fed with various percentages of GM corn in their food. Some treated with Roundup, and some not.
It is noteworthy that the first two male rats that died in both GM treated groups had to be euthanized due to kidney Wilm’s tumors that were over 25% of body weight. This was at approximately a year before the first control animal died. The first female death occurred in the 22% GM maize feeding group and resulted from a mammary fibroadenoma 246 days before the first control. The maximum difference in males was 5 times more deaths occurring during the 17th month in the group consuming 11% GM maize, and in females 6 times greater mortality during the 21st month on the 22% GM maize diet with and without R (Roundup). In the female cohorts, there were 2–3 times more deaths in all treated groups compared to controls by the end of the experiment and earlier in general.
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However, the rate of mortality was not proportional to the treatment dose, reaching a threshold at the lowest (11%) or intermediate (22%) amounts of GM maize in the equilibrated diet, with or without the R (Roundup) application on the plant.
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Genetically modified seed does not concern me so much, even though I won't use them. Done properly, as stated, it just speeds up the evolutionary process of breeding for specific traits. Done wrong, it can create something completely new & potentially dangerous. I am much more concerned with all the chemicals and additives added to our food... even "fresh food".
 
its not so much fresh food that is the problem, its all the chemicals and sh1t they put into "ready meals" which a lot of the population eats, which probably accounts for all the cancers and other health problems these days, I don't eat such muck I am particular what I put in my stomach.
 
bigpaul said:
its not so much fresh food that is the problem, its all the chemicals and sh1t they put into "ready meals" which a lot of the population eats, which probably accounts for all the cancers and other health problems these days, I don't eat such muck I am particular what I put in my stomach.
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Most certainly prepared food is horrible for our bodies and research is showing it is the cause for much of the ills of society today. When I grew up in the 50s & 60s, there was no fast food in our town & TV dinners were the only prepared food. Back then we had no attention deficit disorders or any of these other similar issues in society. Now, they are everywhere. Every classroom nowadays has multiple kids with these issues.

But I still have much concern for the agricultural practices of today, where they beat back nature with all sorts of chemicals. You really think apples are supposed to look like what you buy in the stores? How do you think they get so big, so pretty & so flawless? Lots of chemicals. Same with most fresh foods you buy in a store. Granted, one is much better off cooking with this "fresh" food as opposed to processed food. For many folks today, a home cooked meal is Stouffer's lasagna from the freezer.
 
bigpaul said:
most people these days couldn't cook a meal from fresh even if you gave them the ingredients free of charge.
most people just throw something in a microwave for 2 or 3 minutes and that's what they call "cooking".
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So true. Because of that, I have taken it upon myself to include cooking lessons for our church's youth group. My wife is the leader & my job is to assist... especially in food prep & cleanup. Once I saw how ignorant they all were when it came to food prep, I switched to where I would demonstrate cooking some meals & introducing them to foods they are not familiar with. Last night I brought out the panini press and let them assist in making their own sandwiches. Most had no idea what a panini was. I also picked some fresh basil from the garden and demonstrated making pesto, which we used on some sandwiches. Of course, most didn't know what pesto was. I'm trying to show them cooking fresh food does not have to be complicated. I don't measure anything, which is my normal way of cooking, so that they don't get all worried & bothered about recipes. Shrimp scampi was a hit a couple of weeks ago and they all assisted in the prep & cooking. For that meal I picked orange bell peppers from the garden & demonstrated making a vinaigrette for the salad.

I'm really worried about the youth of today. Seems mostly no one is teaching them anything useful... be it cooking, hunting or getting out in nature. What happened to parenting?
 
most parents are too busy trying to earn a living they leave it to the school or the childminder, I have heard of kids starting school who don't know how to use a knife and fork- they mostly eat with their fingers, nor can they hold a pen or pencil properly, not that they can read or write either, my mother made sure I could read and write by the time I was 5 but then she was a stay at home mum.
 
No doubt, most parents are so busy earning a living they don’t spend much time on their kids. I had a friend once point out how many people get a second job to pay for all the time saving appliances they have like a dishwasher and microwave.
My apples all have spots. When I eat them I just cut out the bad spot. Many would say that’s gross but I feel eating chemicals and pesticides is gross. I read where spraying liquid copper is good for apples, yet it will kill the earthworms around the trees. Why would I eat something that is able to kill the worms in the ground? Common sense folks.
 
bigpaul said:
most people these days couldn't cook a meal from fresh even if you gave them the ingredients free of charge.
most people just throw something in a microwave for 2 or 3 minutes and that's what they call "cooking".
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And what is your point, says the King of Microwave? LOL
 
Brent S said:
My apples all have spots. When I eat them I just cut out the bad spot. Many would say that’s gross but I feel eating chemicals and pesticides is gross. I read where spraying liquid copper is good for apples, yet it will kill the earthworms around the trees. Why would I eat something that is able to kill the worms in the ground? Common sense folks.
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About the only apple I can grow that might not have spots is Arkansas Black, but even then the coloring is not uniform and I doubt anyone would buy it at the store. Most bad spots in a natural apple don't impact the whole apple so if it is not too big, I've found it actually enhances the flavor of the apple. It seems to cause the apple to ripen sooner. Many a time, I've taken folks into the orchard, pulled an apple with say black rot the size of a quarter on one side, and let them taste the other half of the apple. They expect it taste rotten or off... but are surprised it is juicy, crisp & sweet.

This past weekend I brought a local college student from Nigeria into the orchard & when tasting different apples off the trees, he commented that they didn't look like "normal" apples from the store. Some were misshapen, some had scab lesions and many had sooty blotch and flyspeck. He almost refused to eat one, thinking it was yucky or harmful. Made me laugh. The beautiful apples he is accustomed to eating are laced with all sorts of pesticides & and had been sprayed in a constant bath of fungicides. Those he will gladly eat and not wonder why his future kids will have 3 eyes, half a nose & suffer from ADHD.
 
step grand daughter (21) didn't even know apples came from trees, she thought they came in those little plastic trays from the supermarket, wife picked her one of one of our trees and she nearly had a fit!!:p
 
If we're going to feed the world's population then modern agribusiness must use all the tools available to continue increasing production. That includes GM seeds, herbicides, pesticides, fertilizers and growth hormones. Plus they use the inferior products they can't sell to make the processed foods from.
Personally I don't care about feeding the world, just my family.
I don't buy this crap either that people are too busy making a living that they don't have time to prepare a decent meal. If they would turn the TV and computer off they would find that they have plenty of time to spend with their family.
 
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