WTF!?!? Federal Government trying to Outlaw Tiny Homes and RV Living

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In yet another attempt to go after the self-reliant lifestyle, the federal government has again taken aim at the off-grid lifestyle and is attempting to ban Tiny Homes and RVs as permanent residences.

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development is in the process of putting the finishing touches on proposed regulations that would make living in an RV or a mobile Tiny Home illegal for most people.

The proposed regulations, entitled “FR–5877–P–01 Manufactured Home Procedural and Enforcement Regulations; Revision of Exemption for Recreational Vehicles”, will redefine the industry, and force HUD regulations on those that live the lifestyle. The new regulations are set to modify a current exemption in the Manufactured Home Procedural and Enforcement Regulations. According to the proposed docket information, RVs would be defined as “a factory build vehicular structure, not certified as a manufactured home, designed only for recreational use and not as a primary residence or for permanent occupancy.”

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This means your tiny homes will either fall under HUD regulations, forcing you to comply with HUD building codes or will be put on the exempt list, making your home illegal to use as a primary or permanent residence.

This is a huge hit for the thousands upon thousands of people who choose to give up their homes every year to live full-time in RVs and tiny homes. If this proposed regulation is adopted by HUD, most tiny homes that are built upon a mobile frame will be subjected to this regulation, and in essence, be declared RVs that are not suitable for year-round living.

The FR–5877–P–01 Manufactured Home Procedural and Enforcement Regulations; Revision of Exemption for Recreational Vehicles Summary Reads:

This proposed rule would modify the current exemption for recreational vehicles in the Manufactured Home Procedural and Enforcement Regulations. Under the current exemption, questions have arisen regarding whether park model recreational vehicles are regulated by HUD’s manufactured home program.

These park models are being produced with patio roofs, screened in porches, and other extensions that exceed the 400 square foot maximum exemption in the current regulations. Additionally, some of these models are being marketed as suitable for year round living. HUD’s proposed rule would permit recreational vehicle manufactures to certify that a unit is exempted from HUD’s regulations. Specifically, HUD’s proposed rule would define a recreational vehicle as a factory build vehicular structure, not certified as a manufactured home, designed only for recreational use and not as a primary residence or for permanent occupancy, and built and certified in accordance with either the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) 1192-2015, Standard for Recreational Vehicles, or the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) A119.5-15, Recreational Park Trailer Standard. In addition, to provide consumers notice regarding the manufacturing standards used to construct the unit, HUD’s rule would require that units claiming the exemption display a notice that identifies the standards used to construct the unit and states that the unit is designed only for recreational use, and not as a primary residence or permanent dwelling.

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These new HUD Regulations are no accident. In my opinion, it is part of a larger effort to control every aspect of how we live, where we live, and what we do with our so-called freedoms.

As I’ve pointed out numerous times in the past, governments at all levels, from federal to local zoning boards, are attempting to regulate us out of existence. The only reason people even started to build their tiny homes on these mobile frames was to try to get around the maze of zoning laws that forbid them from building tiny homes on their own land.

Once this HUD ruling goes into affect, these tiny mobile homes will be a thing of the past. And when that happens, most tiny homes will be a thing of the past as well, since most areas of the country ban these types of homes from being permanently constructed as primary residences.

Just look at what happened to the people of Costilla County, Colorado, a community that became a haven for those who wanted to live the Off-Grid lifestyle.

Late last year, in an attempt to stop people from living off the grid, Costilla County, Colorado banned off-gridders from camping on their own Land.

Twenty-year resident Paul Skinner summed it up at the planning commission meeting, “We are residents who have come to live off the grid. It’s all our land.” … “These are harsh economic times. We have nowhere to go.”

“We’ve been regulated out of life,” resident Robin Rutan told CPR. “I came here because I couldn’t live by the codes [in other regions]”

And that really sums up what this is all about; we are being regulated out of existence; forced to live in a way that the government says we ought to live. Our very freedoms, and constitutional guarantees of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are being torn from us as the country sits back and takes it.

From the White House using race as an excuse to change national zoning laws and define who can live in certain neighborhoods, to global corporations using eminent domain to steal homes, to the city of Seattle trying to ban single-family homes, there is a war on self-reliance brewing.

It’s becoming harder and harder for independent, freedom-minded people to live the lives that they want to live. These aren’t bad people, they are families just trying to live the American Dream; unfortunately, freedom loving Americans seem to be under attack from every direction!

Are we not overjoyed that we elected Donald J Trump? He is putting an end to all this nonesence.
 
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I think I read somewhere that the US government is trying to make it illegal to not be connected to the mains(water, electric and sewage).
In some areas it already is. Local zonings dictate what a person can or can not do with their own property. Some places it's even illegal to cut a tree down on your own property without prior approval from the local government.
 
It's not really going to change anything, it just means the buyer of the new rv has to be aware the rv isn't designed for permanent living and each new rv comes with the warning "prominently display a notice stating that the unit is designed only for recreational use, and not as a primary residence or permanent dwelling."
 
so you are "allowed" to be free but it would be better if you would be "free" like the government wants...:rolleyes:
A person is only "free" IF you follow all government rules, purchase all permits, get the proper license, conform to all government codes, pay your property taxes on time and build according to local zoning.
 
Since this directly affects me, I looked into it when it first came up. It really didn't change anything, although manufacturers of THOW's were forced to register their products as RV's, and display the disclaimer that it wasn't a permanent dwelling.

People still build, sell, buy, and live in Tiny homes and RV's.

People also choose to live in them openly, and get evicted due to zoning laws. That's wrong on the governments part, and honestly, not very bright on the part of the owner.

You just have to choose your location wisely, and be as self sufficient as possible, so the meter reader doesn't snitch you out to the man.

While I am not against ALL law and order, I choose to disobey this one. I have come to believe that you can never truly own any property, and I can't afford it any anyway. Well, I could actually buy a crappy house and make the payments, but that's not what I want. I want to be mobile. Gotta be a way to make that work.
 
i talked with my sister about that law.she said that they tried to pass it where she lives.and WAY TO MANY people said no way...on account most of the folks there.either live in large enough camper no pop-up campers.or a RV..
 
On this subject... the owner of a rather beat up Airstream Argosy just called me and left a message. I spotted it out in a field, and left a note on it. It's being used for bee keeping storage, and it is pretty rough. But, if the price is right... That's my new house.
 
SGS,

Good luck getting storage away from a beekeeper! We BK need all the space we can find.

A funny rule around me. I can live in a cardboard box. BUT, they want to know that my poop goes into an approved septic system. Never mind the feral animals that poop on my driveway regularly. That's not a 'hazard'. Or the birds bombing it from above, or the road hazards coming out of cows. But my poop is hazardous? The funny part is that it goes into the septic tank, settles a bit, then just flows out into a leach field. No processing. No method to remove prescription drug compounds. There is zero difference if I dug a hole under an outhouse and went there. Oh well.

HUD is going to hurt the poorest with this law. I know a number of people who live in old travel trailers. Often these trailers are not road worthy, but it is the only thing they can afford to live in. It doesn't owe property taxes and it doesn't have good insulation (not that they can afford to run an AC much, most just use fans). And those are the 2 big reasons they are trying to stop them!

Unfortunately they will just end up with 100's of thousands of more homeless people. How will that make things better?
 
it's always easier to kick the poor,as they have no voice that matters.
 
I feel like I have the skills and knowledge, and experience, to live mobile and do it well. I have worked on trailers, well, for work. I have no intentions of living in it all nasty and disorganized, I want a home. Someplace I would enjoy bringing Jontte to. We would drink frappacino's and stare into each others eyes. I would look away first, and blush.

I can get around all the issues with power, sewage, space... It's the law that makes the whole idea difficult. Anyway, now we have to negotiate a price, and I have to start going to IL on weekends to clear the plot, and get things ready to move it and work on it. IF the Ranchero pulls it easily. If not, I have a whole other set of problems.
 

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