Listened to a short radio talk on electric vehicles and still wonder why so many are fooled into thinking they will save the environment....with a 220 charger it takes 8 hours for a full charge, the average cost to recharge is $20....If you have to plug it in very night that will be expensive, with a less than 250 mile range the electric companies will be enjoying the large profits, and where will all the extra energy come from to create the extra electricity ? I wonder how millions of tons of natural resources it will take to build all those batteries ? easy on the environment ? and you won't be able to take it anywhere without knowing exactly where you would be able to charge it, tow bills anyone....with the higher cost of electric vehicles come higher insurance and probably higher repair/maintenance costs...will the batteries last the life of the vehicle ? how much will a new set of batteries cost ? I will guess a new gas engine will be cheaper to replace than batteries will be in a electric car or the electric motor....after 2-3 years resale value I would bet will be very low.....every time I see an article about electric vehicles and how great they are there is so much not being said.....vent session over....
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They are calling 2018 "The year of the electric car."
No matter how ridiculous they are, the car companies are going to build them next year in ever increasing numbers and people will buy them, and we the taxpayers will pay a big chunk of the cost.
Eliminate the tax incentives, and then let's see how well they fare!
No matter how ridiculous they are, the car companies are going to build them next year in ever increasing numbers and people will buy them, and we the taxpayers will pay a big chunk of the cost.
Eliminate the tax incentives, and then let's see how well they fare!
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I think everyone who is against oil and gas (the most reliable energy source ever) should put their own money where their mouth is and buy an electric coffin, I mean car. Cut out all tax subsidies to electric car manufacturers and have the car buyer pay the full cost of the car. The tax payer should not be forced to cover any of the cost.
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That would make too much sense...
Not to mention they are far from green. With today's battery technology far behind the tech of everything else, we're looking at super harmful chemicals from all of these dead batteries.
In a post shtf world, forget it. Even if you had a solar powered charger capable enough, eventually, the batteries are going to go bad (faster than they would in a gas or diesel, of course).
In a post shtf world, forget it. Even if you had a solar powered charger capable enough, eventually, the batteries are going to go bad (faster than they would in a gas or diesel, of course).
The man who invents an actual workable battery, with an abundance of raw material available to make, a fast charge time, and the ability to be recharged over and over many, many times, will rule the world.
(well, be vanished from the face of the earth, then the corporation that ordered the hit would rule the world, but you know what I mean....)
(well, be vanished from the face of the earth, then the corporation that ordered the hit would rule the world, but you know what I mean....)
Is it not amazing after all these years that batteries are still built like they are, where is the Technology ? is it out there and being stifled because of oil ? either way I don't see how electric vehicles will ever be cost conscious.....
Maybe if the electric car were equipped with the A-10 cockpit and the car was built around the GAU-8/A I might consider the electric car for daily use.
There would be a whole town of destroyed vehicles in my town if I had one of those......every idiot drive......Brrrrrrrtttttttttt.......
Your points are well made. The bottom line is the liberal forces of the world control the media so intelligent thought is not likely to be published. I have thought about the use of electric motors for around the homestead - perhaps an electric quadrunner, tractor etc. Because they have fewer moving parts and are easier to repair. Also electricity in the small amounts needed can be generated by wind, sun, natural gas, gasoline, diesel, wood - whatever you have handy. I dont have huge requirements of these vehicles, just moving stuff around, but it doesnt make sense to expect to trapse around the county (or state or country) in an electric vehicle right now. High torque with long duration still requires dino juice for doing serious work.
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It's really just a simple matter of resources though. We simply don't have enough lithium or cobalt (or other rare metals) to do it without some kind of major tech advancement. No amount of altruism, or money thrown at the problem will solve it.
The funnier part, is that the environmental impact of mining these materials, could be far worse than the impact of continued use of fossil fuels!
Here's even more fun....what happens when your electric car needs to be fixed? Can't just take it to any auto shop...oh no sir.... You are going to get screwed by the dealer...hard...
The funnier part, is that the environmental impact of mining these materials, could be far worse than the impact of continued use of fossil fuels!
Here's even more fun....what happens when your electric car needs to be fixed? Can't just take it to any auto shop...oh no sir.... You are going to get screwed by the dealer...hard...
No where on Tesla's website, can I find a rating for tow capacity or tongue weight, for any vehicle listed.
I'll pass. I like to use my vehicles to, you know, do stuff.
I'll pass. I like to use my vehicles to, you know, do stuff.
I suppose electric cars are here to stay, and maybe they will be useful in urban areas, strictly as a grocery getter. Sort of a really expensive impossible to repair Ford Fiesta. As long as they don't start banning fossil fuel powered cars, or making us pay some sort of extra extra, extra tax to drive our cars and trucks.
I'm sorry you guys seem so down on electric cars.
I would absolutely love to see electric cars and trucks (practical ones, of course) become so common that we can tell the middle eastern countries where they can stick their oil.
They use oil profits to finance terrorism, they use oil profits to spread hateful ideology, to build nukes, and so on.
So, if we can do without oil...we can tell them to go f--k themselves.
At least that's how I see it.
I would absolutely love to see electric cars and trucks (practical ones, of course) become so common that we can tell the middle eastern countries where they can stick their oil.
They use oil profits to finance terrorism, they use oil profits to spread hateful ideology, to build nukes, and so on.
So, if we can do without oil...we can tell them to go f--k themselves.
At least that's how I see it.
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There are other alternatives.
I know.
My only point is that terrorism seems to be driven by oil profits, and I would like to see our dependency on foreign oil decrease.
My friends brother has an electric car. One day his 11 year old daughter left with a group to go to campsite about 2.5 hours away from where we live. She forgot something so he was going to go and drive out to the site, in his electric car, and give it to her. He was running low on charge, out in the middle of nowhere, he came to a convenience store and asked if he could charge his car. The clerk said, no. He continued to drive and found a farm house. He drove up to the farm and asked the guy if he could charge. The guy was nice enough and told him, yes. After a while, the farmer left to go run an errand. Ted finished his charge and tried to leave the farmer's property, but his car got stuck in the mud. He had to wait for the farmer to return to pull him out of the mud. I was cracking up laughing when my friend told me this story. I bet that farmer was shaking his head. 
DP,
Great story! Electric cars have a great place to fill: it's called a golf cart. But when a car can't even drive down a random driveway...
Actually I'm impressed that an electric car can drive 2.5 hours. Maybe a tesla? Most of them have maybe a 100 mile range? 2.5 hours, that sounds like 150 miles each way. Then how many hours does it take to charge on a regular outlet? It's a joke. I drive a car for convenience this doesn't sound too convenient...
Great story! Electric cars have a great place to fill: it's called a golf cart. But when a car can't even drive down a random driveway...
Actually I'm impressed that an electric car can drive 2.5 hours. Maybe a tesla? Most of them have maybe a 100 mile range? 2.5 hours, that sounds like 150 miles each way. Then how many hours does it take to charge on a regular outlet? It's a joke. I drive a car for convenience this doesn't sound too convenient...
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We could now, if it wasn't for government over regulations, politicians, and tree hugging wimps. We have more oil and gas in the US than in the middle East. We don't need their oil. ME oil is more about politics than need.
The destination was2.5 hours away. He drives a Leaf. I think they can only go 80 miles before having to be charged. He knew starting out he would have to stop and charge, but he didn’t know how he was going to do it. It was a bad plan all the way around.
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Here is the perfect accessory for an electric car:
Lightweight 1 horse trailer. So when you run out of juice...
Lightweight 1 horse trailer. So when you run out of juice...
I think all of us in the U.S. would like to decrease our use of Saudi oil, but I don't see it happening....everybody wants to go when we want to go.....no one wants to wait on a charging vehicle or plan out a trip based on being able to charge a vehicle.....and when you do you can't decide to take a side trip unless you know if you can charge somewhere....the infrastructure to do it will be immense and will take many years to even start....and like I posted the untold amount of natural resources to build that infrastructure....I think the only way to make it viable would be to have wires like a subway setup every so many miles so you can hook up, continue to drive while charging and once full unhook and continue on.....how many people are really going to plan a vacation based on charging a vehicle ? we can't go there, no charging station.....we can't go there....no charging station....can you imagine in a bad situation when electric is out and people need to leave an area ? we got people now who can't even see the gas gauge and run out of gas....I can see nothing in my mind that electric vehicle will solve other than making a lot of idiot liberals happy regardless of the cost....Liberals would sell your kids and use that money to prove they are right even when wrong....
No practicality for an electric car out here.
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Here ya go:
http://www.eptender.com/
The "EP Tender" - a generator on a trailer designed to be towed by an electric car. When your car batteries run low, the generator kicks in and supplies electricity.
So when you are in the middle of Kansas, instead of finding a recharging station, you find a gas station and fill up the generator.
Sort of a DIY hybrid LMAO!
Some say it defeats the purpose of having an electric car. Thank you Captain Obvious!
http://www.eptender.com/
The "EP Tender" - a generator on a trailer designed to be towed by an electric car. When your car batteries run low, the generator kicks in and supplies electricity.
So when you are in the middle of Kansas, instead of finding a recharging station, you find a gas station and fill up the generator.
Sort of a DIY hybrid LMAO!
Some say it defeats the purpose of having an electric car. Thank you Captain Obvious!
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Here ya go:
http://www.eptender.com/
The "EP Tender" - a generator on a trailer designed to be towed by an electric car. When your car batteries run low, the generator kicks in and supplies electricity. I kid you not, this is an actual product ROFL. Instead of finding a recharging station, you buy gas for the generator.
Sort of a DIY hybrid LMAO!
Some say it defeats the purpose of having an electric car. Thank you Captain Obvious!
I can see it now ....backing this thing up, this ought to be fun! Maybe intended to be de-hitched prier to backing up? Short tongue on a short vehicle *sigh
I think California passed a law that after a certain year gasoline fueled cars can’t be sold in the State...?
I can convert my truck (72 Ranchero Cobra Jet) to propane if I want to. I cant convert it to electric.
I'm sure we would all love to stop buying oil from the M.E. Maybe someday we will, and electric vehicles will be a viable option. But.
Once enough people are using them, then there will be new taxes. Battery disposal tax, electrical grid burden tax, peak use period fees, Military fossil fuel vehicle support tax (jets wont ever be electric), Fossil fuel on road and off road fee, the list goes on and on and on.
Whatever happens, whatever tech comes along to "save us" all, it's only going to add to my cost of living.
lol, I don't wanna comes across as whiney, but this stuff gets to me. The older I get, the simpler I want my life to be. I don't know why, but its true.
I'm sure we would all love to stop buying oil from the M.E. Maybe someday we will, and electric vehicles will be a viable option. But.
Once enough people are using them, then there will be new taxes. Battery disposal tax, electrical grid burden tax, peak use period fees, Military fossil fuel vehicle support tax (jets wont ever be electric), Fossil fuel on road and off road fee, the list goes on and on and on.
Whatever happens, whatever tech comes along to "save us" all, it's only going to add to my cost of living.
lol, I don't wanna comes across as whiney, but this stuff gets to me. The older I get, the simpler I want my life to be. I don't know why, but its true.
Only 12.9% of our oil comes from the persian gulf (political reasons not needs) most of it comes from the US Canada and Latin America
