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Hey SE, how reliable is dailymail? I never saw much about them until I started hanging around here.

The reason I ask is that I did some looking around to substantiate his claims an can't find much. You'd thin Fox News would be on this like stink on poop....
 
WGregMiller said:
Hey SE, how reliable is dailymail? I never saw much about them until I started hanging around here.

The reason I ask is that I did some looking around to substantiate his claims an can't find much. You'd thin Fox News would be on this like stink on poop....
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The DM is a pro tory right wing leaning tabloid occasionally Anti US government but always very respectful of US academia and science, they tend not to publish anything on science unless they have verified it first. But political stories they are about as reliable as CNN.

It does appear the NOAA have been caught cheating
 
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Your welcome, i personally am getting very skeptical about Global warming / Climate change. EG UK government wants to raise asorted taxes to " combat climate change" yet the same government wants to bulldoze 5 villages to expend Heathrow Airport and increase the 450,000 flights from Heathrow by another 240,000 a year. WHY if all that extra pollution, noise and CO2 is so bad ?
 
One snippet I annoy Yogurt knitters and tree huggers with is that YES the seas are rising, they have risen and fallen in the gap between every ice age for millennia, BUT not only is the seas rising but that huge sodding great chunk of land known as Scandinavia ( Norway Sweden and Finland) is ALSO rising by about an inch a year, and has been doing so for ten thousand years as the land springs back up after being buried under trillions of tons of ice during the last ice age. All of that rising land is displacing the water around it.
 
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The Vikings sailed the Arctic Ocean, and not just the fringes. Archaeologists say they went close to the North Pole. There are Viking ruins on Ellesmere Island and Baffin Island. Viking settlers were farming Greenland.
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I know the bloody norse are like fleas they get everywhere and irritate like mad, the only place you cannot get them out of is Helsinki :)
 
My Dad called it in the 70's. He said "we've always had weather. it changes, put up with it.";)
 
SallyC said:
My Dad called it in the 70's. He said "we've always had weather. it changes, put up with it.";)
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Hole in the Ozone layer = Taxes up, Risk of nuclear winter = taxes up, The gulf stream weakening = taxes up, El Nino = taxes up, Melting ice caps = taxes up, Climate change = taxes up, CO2 Emmissions = taxes up, Global cooling = taxes up, global warming = taxes up.
 
I don't need scientist to tell me that we are over polluting our planet. Just look at the cities in China. It's dangerous to breathe the air outside. As far as more co2 and particulates in the air, yes they do retain the heat more. We need to stop putting all the crap into the air we breathe. Put it this way. We all know that if you close up a car in a garage it produces a gas that will kill you. Ok, now look at a cross section of the earth. On a graph like picture, it's a big ball with the atmosphere being this paper thin layer on the outer surface. Sure it may seem like the sky is huge to us, but it is a limited space that we are adding smoke and gasses to. There are smoke stacks and car exhausts all over the planet, pumping out chemicals 24 hrs a day, seven days a week, etc. it is insane to think this is fine and can't have any consequences. It's kind of like pissing in the pool your swimming in. Sure, one kid doing it and it gets thinned out quickly. Now imagine 5000 kids all peeing in it at once. Would you still want to swim, or drink, from it? I also agree that there have been warming and cooling cycles for millions of years. The problem with this is those changes in the past happened slowly over long periods of time. That gave the plants and animals time to adapt to the environment. We are changing the environment much quicker, and that dosent bode well for all the species, including us. I personally don't see this as a terrible thing though. Instead of looking at it as doom and gloom, or all those coal jobs are going to be gone, why not see it as an opportunity to creat new jobs in cleaner technologies? Human beings don't like to change though. We like routine, and I'm afraid we are too ignorant to make real changes until we have real consequences. Just my two cents worth here. Luckily I find peace in two things here. First, I'm nearing the end of my life, not tomorrow hopefully, but within twenty something years or so. So most of the real problems will be after I'm gone anyways. I do however feel for my kids and the next generations. Second, no matter what we do to this planet, we will be gone one day, and give it a few million years or so and there will be no trace of all the pollution and messes we make.
 
Plastic pollution killing our seas, Cars and Trucks polluting our air, Mining polluting our water, Coal burning killing thousands of asthmatics each year and our governments do NOTHING
 
Brent, agreed that we should be responsible and not pollute any more than necessary. But pointing the finger at the U.S. is not going to solve anything. The burning of the rainforests in Equatorial Africa accounts for more carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide emissions that all the coal plants, cars and factories of America and Europe combined. And China is amost as bad (certain time of the year it's even worse)

See if you can guess what is generating the most pollution from these maps of global carbon monoxide levels: (it varies by season) Notice in the second and third pictures how the CO is blowing from China across the Pacific. Equatorial Africa is spewing CO practically year round.
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Which is why I am on board 100% with the "save the rainforests" people. On our family farm in the Mississippi Delta we are preparing to plant another 55 acres of trees on former soybean land (we already have nearly 300 acres of trees)
 
It's just ridiculous.

Nearly monthly, there are high level scientists coming out about the whole thing being a scam. Many of whom were even part of the former narrative.

While I'm all for reduced pollution, it also has to be practically applied.

Thing is, the data just isn't there to support it...and by that, I mean ALL the raw data, not cherry picked to just industrial cities (where of course temps will be higher).

If anything, many point to a global cooling, or even a coming mini ice age. The global warming predictions made so many years ago, just continue to not come to pass.

I'm still amazed that science, which is all about looking at things in new ways, is often the most locked in, on a position when they think it is right, even to the point of demonizing any who buck the established position.

The Earth heated up and cooled down drastically LONG before we ever rubbed two sticks together....so it doesn't seem much of a leap of faith if it's heading for another change...without our help.
 
The Earth goes through phases be it warming or cooling none of which was caused by man! Today, the Earth is going through it's phases and again not brought on by man. The argument for and against has been merged with 'man caused', unfortunately the left can't remove 'man caused' from the argument which would end the argument really, if the left removed 'man caused' than this whole 'go green' industry would collapse. This whole climate change debate has become a religion in own right squashing anything that refutes the data forwarded by the man-made climate change community. Yes, I believe we are in a cycle of climate change, is it man caused, NO. So in my debate is not with climate change but is with man caused, can man reverse the climate change or slow it down or keep it from getting worse, NO it's a g'damn phase period.

Remember, there is no money being made if the weather patterns are not man caused!

Ok, that's my rant...
 
From last year..

Stats Tampering Puts NOAA in Hot Water

Approximately 300 people including scientists, engineers and other experts, about half with doctorate degrees, have petitioned U.S. House Science Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, to carefully investigate suspiciously overheated climate temperature book-cooking by the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Signers included 25 climate or atmospheric scientists, 23 geologists, 51 engineers, 74 physicists, and 12 economists.

One was a Nobel laureate physicist, two were Apollo astronauts . . . and another was me.

http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/CATO-DQA-MIT-NOAA/2016/02/01/id/712153/
 
I also might add, we should be responsible with the environment but I see a stark difference between polluting and this man made climate change being crammed down our throats, two separate issues, I also think it is wise and good if the industrial manufactures step up and reduce the amount of pollutants without adversely affecting operation as many already have. I also have seen many of our industrial manufactures and mills put out of business because of federal policies. We need to have common sense attitude and balance not 'my way or the highway' approach the feds have taken.
 
FYI some British climate scientists and ologists were caught out manipulating their climate change data a couple of years ago
 
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