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If you don't want to get upset, just stop now & close this. Read it later when you can handle it.

OK, warning done.

First, this past week this video came out of Detroit of a young man beating an elderly man in a nursing home...
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/co...utally-beats-patients-with-blows-to-the-head/

It has been deleted from youtube, but scroll down & it shows the video.

And then it gets worse.
https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/de...sing-home-because-he-has-covid-19-says-father

This young guy is a mental patient put into the nursing home because he had Covid19. And does anyone wonder why people are dying and dropping like flies in Michigan? I don't know how many lawsuits this opens up, but add 3 or 6 zeros to the end of the cost of each of them. The family of the elderly man shouldn't go to court, they should be given loaded guns and put everyone who created this situation in front of them. From the governor down to the nutjob young guy. This goes beyond horrific. I warned you, your blood is boiling now as well?
 
Out here in Kali we have a law against ‘elder abuse’. You can be arrested not only for physical abuse but also for ‘mental abuse’, such as yelling at a senior citizen driver who cuts you off.
 
Way I see it, put the animal down. I have no mercy in cases like this.

You're missing the point. The guy was a mental case with behavioral problems and tested positive for COVID-19. He should never have been placed there. The real villains here are the people responsible for creating this scenario.

Doc, I think the question should be 'which animal to put down'? The guy. The governor? Anyone in the middle? We have a lot of people to point fingers at here. All share in the guilt. But it all evolves around the democrat party & their methods.
 
You're missing the point. The guy was a mental case with behavioral problems and tested positive for COVID-19. He should never have been placed there. The real villains here are the people responsible for creating this scenario.

I agree he shouldn't have been placed their and the people that placed him their should be charged with accessory and why didn't the staff notice the injuries to the mans head.

Sounds like another thug to me.
...appears to be "racially motivated" police allege that Hayden stole his victim's credit cards after the attack ...Hayden is being held on $300,000 bond
 
You're missing the point. The guy was a mental case with behavioral problems and tested positive for COVID-19. He should never have been placed there. The real villains here are the people responsible for creating this scenario.
Agree 100%.

I have no tolerance for abusive people who mistreat anyone, let alone an elderly man who can't defend himself.

But I agree with you that the "powers that be" should not have put a violent crazy person in a rehab facility where he could hurt someone.
 
Here in my area nursing homes won't take anyone with severe mental issues like that. They have to go to a special wing of the mental hospital for people with physical medical issues as well as mental issues. This can sometimes include patients with severe alzheimers to the point that they become aggressive.
 
Here in my area nursing homes won't take anyone with severe mental issues like that. They have to go to a special wing of the mental hospital for people with physical medical issues as well as mental issues. This can sometimes include patients with severe alzheimers to the point that they become aggressive.
That is how it should be done.
 
Here in my area nursing homes won't take anyone with severe mental issues like that. They have to go to a special wing of the mental hospital for people with physical medical issues as well as mental issues. This can sometimes include patients with severe alzheimers to the point that they become aggressive.

My understanding is that the nursing home had no choice but to comply with the state.
 
My understanding is that the nursing home had no choice but to comply with the state.
I don't know what kind of nursing home it was but here they can deny a resident if it will be a danger to other residents. With COVID patients they must be in an isolated area of the nursing facility, though I don't think they are allowed to deny a patient solely due to COVID if they are set up for airborne infectious diseases (like TB, etc., not all nursing facilities have the equipment for these). I really don't understand how a COVID patient would have been room mates with anyone unless the other patient was also COVID positive. The mental illness aspect of it is just another whole problem in and of itself. I am thinking there was some pretty serious mismanagement going on, which sadly tends to be fairly common in long term care/nursing facilities.
 
the nursing home had no choice but to comply with the state.
That is the time where SOMEONE has to stand up and declare the law or whatever demanded the "mental case" to be put or allowed to be put there, to be null and void. Someone has to pay, the boss at the home, the nurse in charge of the older man who should have protected him or the chain of command all the way up to the governor. Or just ALL OF THEM, AS AN EXAMPLE FOR THE NEXT DUMBF**K who writes such a law or allows something like that to happen again...GP
 
If that had been a white boy beating black elderly, the cities would still be burning...
If the white folk would go on the streets, burn businesses and beat blacks to death on the open streets and rob and steal from the burning stores...........
but there are good people in all colors in this world, why do we just get used to the Media and TV telling us one side of the story. Professors and Teachers spreading their chauvanistic, liberal, sexist, racial and anti-moral BS to and into the minds of the next generation of tax-payers in America. And all of that paid for by the richest persons in the nation or on the planet, unbeknownst to what they are producing for the future generations to have to live with or die with...
Sorry, off theme and out of my head from being not able to be there and protect an elderly Veteran with my own two hands...Vengence is mine, I will repay...God forgive us our trespasses and have mercy on those of us who do and will stand up for the weak..........GP
 
My understanding is that the nursing home had no choice but to comply with the state.
I understand . . . but--having a Jewish background--the phrase "I was following orders" does not excuse someone from doing something that is patently wrong.

Nurses, paramedics, respiratory therapists . . . everyone signs off on an ethics statement when we get our licenses.

Part of our job description is to stand up to management (and even the State) when it comes to certian things.

There are times and occasions when I've told the COO of a hospital that I was working in to go f----k himself when they tried to pressure me into doing something that was unethical.
 
I understand . . . but--having a Jewish background--the phrase "I was following orders" does not excuse someone from doing something that is patently wrong.

Nurses, paramedics, respiratory therapists . . . everyone signs off on an ethics statement when we get our licenses.

Part of our job description is to stand up to management (and even the State) when it comes to certian things.

There are times and occasions when I've told the COO of a hospital that I was working in to go f----k himself when they tried to pressure me into doing something that was unethical.

The same ethics these doctors have signed that agreed to forced DNR and forced paramedics DNR on elderly patients at the street level.

Nursing homes such as the one we are talking about were ordered by the state and state health department to take recovered COVID19 patients with CDC guide lines, medical doctors that signed the ethics made that decision to send patients to the nursing homes and the politicians followed that decision blindly. It's doctors and politicians that's killing people and destroying a Country while we the people idly stand by and do nothing. The people that want to do something about it are chastise and ridiculed in the press by politicians and the medical profession you know, the same g'damn people that are killing people and destroying a Country, the same people that took an oath.
 
I agree with what most of you say about the guy beating up an old man. HOWEVER!!!!!! Youtube has been deleting many videos lately. They have become socialist bastards!!!!! but do not fret. I found an alternative site where they cannot sensor videos and promote freedom of speech. site is called: LBRY.com

https://lbry.tv/@JesseLeePeterson:0/jlp-man-charged-in-brutal-beating-of:6
 
The same ethics these doctors have signed that agreed to forced DNR and forced paramedics DNR on elderly patients at the street level.

Nursing homes such as the one we are talking about were ordered by the state and state health department to take recovered COVID19 patients with CDC guide lines, medical doctors that signed the ethics made that decision to send patients to the nursing homes and the politicians followed that decision blindly. It's doctors and politicians that's killing people and destroying a Country while we the people idly stand by and do nothing. The people that want to do something about it are chastise and ridiculed in the press by politicians and the medical profession you know, the same g'damn people that are killing people and destroying a Country, the same people that took an oath.
I don't believe in forced DNRs, but there is a common-sense grey area.

I believe in the sanctity of life (which is why I work in the medical field).

There does come a point where a person who is in their 90s, has kidney, liver, and heart failure, paralysis from multiple strokes, and an aggressive form of pancreatic cancer (yes, all in the same patient at the same time) should be allowed to die.

I am not talking about euthanasia, as I make a distinction between allowing someone to die and actively killing someone with--for example--a lethal injection of paralytic drugs and sedatives.

People always bring out the slippery slope when it comes to these kinds of discussions (allowing an elderly sick person to die is not OK, because--eventually--it will lead to killing healthy [but unwanted] children), but the slippery slope is--on most occasions--a subtle, logical fallacy.

As an example of my point, consider how different cultures raise their children, and what does--and does not--constitute unhealthy touching.

We certainly don't want our children to be molested by a sick pedophile, and I assume that any reasonable person can agree with this.

The problem happens when overly strict familes discourage and forbid any touching at all . . . and teach a child that all touching is bad. The idea behind this parenting style is an irrational fear of the child getting molested (and--sometimes--out of obsessive religious beliefs about sin and carnality), so if we teach the kid that all touch is bad, then we're helping the child by keeping them from being molested. We don't want to teach a kid that hugging is OK, because hugging can lead a kid into being vulnerable to a pedophile.*

The only problem with this is that families who raise kids in this manner will have children who are just as hurt and screwed up as if they were molested . . . but just in a different way.

Atachment Disorder is a serious neurological disorder that afflicts people who grew up without any physical contact when they were kids.

It was also discovered--during WWII, when lots of babies ended up in orphanages--that if babies aren't cuddled and held on a regular basis, then they die . . . even if all of their other needs (like food, hygiene, hydration, warmth, and so on) are met.

I seem to have digressed away from the slippery slope fallacy, but I haven't.

The point that I'm trying to make in this example is that there is a healthy middle ground--a grey area--between physically isolating a child and allowing them to get molested.

The slippery slope disregards a healthy middle ground by describing a situation as an "either-or" choice . . . when real life doesn't work this way.

This is how I view DNRs and 'end of life' situations.

It always comes down to whatever is in the patients' best interests. There is a vast difference between witholding nutrition, hydration, and/or CPR from a person in a vegetative state . . . and killing children because they are undesirable and/or inconvienient.

Every patient (and health situation) should be judged on an individual basis, because every person is different. What is healthy for one patient may be horrible and dangerous for someone else.

To have a set of universal rules that automatically apply to everyone regardless of circumstances becomes what I like to call "cookie-cutter" medicine (We see cookie-cutter medicine in the military, and with some HMOs that turn medicine into an assembly line in order to maximize profits).

It is wrong to take a unique person with unique needs and force them into a cubby-hole (because of "the rules") that may not be the best fit for them.

A certain amount of moral flexibility does not imply a disregard for the sanctity of life.

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* This reminds me of a crass, bigoted, off-color joke about Southern Baptists who don't have sex standing up because it might lead to dancing.
 
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One gray area is giving morphine when it will hasten someone's death - not cause it, just bring it on a little earlier. I don't consider it euthanasia, I look at it as more of "easing their passing" even if it accelerates it some.
 
TN is placing positive Covid 19 patients back into nursing homes and the local news outlets aren't reporting it.

I know I've posted this before, but it makes me so mad.

NYs fatality rate would be no where near the total, if they had separated the ill.

The Pennsylvania chief medical person (the man who is now a woman) took her mom to hotel before releasing the infected back into the facility. Obviously, knew it was a disaster ready to happen.
 
If that had been a white boy beating black elderly, the cities would still be burning...
If the white folk would go on the streets, burn businesses and beat blacks to death on the open streets and rob and steal from the burning stores...........
but there are good people in all colors in this world, why do we just get used to the Media and TV telling us one side of the story. Professors and Teachers spreading their chauvanistic, liberal, sexist, racial and anti-moral BS to and into the minds of the next generation of tax-payers in America. And all of that paid for by the richest persons in the nation or on the planet, unbeknownst to what they are producing for the future generations to have to live with or die with...
Sorry, off theme and out of my head from being not able to be there and protect an elderly Veteran with my own two hands...Vengence is mine, I will repay...God forgive us our trespasses and have mercy on those of us who do and will stand up for the weak..........GP

The cop who put his knee on the black guy until he was dead is causing riots in Minneapolis
 
That is the time where SOMEONE has to stand up and declare the law or whatever demanded the "mental case" to be put or allowed to be put there, to be null and void. Someone has to pay, the boss at the home, the nurse in charge of the older man who should have protected him or the chain of command all the way up to the governor. Or just ALL OF THEM, AS AN EXAMPLE FOR THE NEXT DUMBF**K who writes such a law or allows something like that to happen again...GP
From what I hear it's almost always the nurses who get penalized when something like this happens. The administrators who actually cause the problems generally get away with it. They may get fired but they get another job at another similar facility. It's very common in cases where there is neglect due to severe under-staffing (which is the fault of administration who refuse/are unable to hire sufficient staff, not the nurses).
 
From what I hear it's almost always the nurses who get penalized when something like this happens. The administrators who actually cause the problems generally get away with it. They may get fired but they get another job at another similar facility. It's very common in cases where there is neglect due to severe under-staffing (which is the fault of administration who refuse/are unable to hire sufficient staff, not the nurses).
I agree with mostly, as I've worked in healthcare for 30 years.

Nurses have unrealistic expectations on them, and then it's their fault when things go wrong.

This is true in hospitals, but it's especially true in nursing homes and rehab facilities.

There was a nursing home in Miami (if we can dignify this place by calling it a "nursing home") that was so nasty and disgusting . . . that I wouldn't have wanted Adolf Hitler to be a resident there.

We get a call for a woman in respiratory distress, and found a 90 year-old woman with a lot of secretions and foam around her mouth. She was out of it because of end-stage Alzheimer's, and she wasn't a DNR.

I used my suction equipment to clear her airway, and suctioned a huge palmetto bug (a large, tropical flying cockroach) out of her airway.

But at least we got her breathing again.

It was called "Jackson Heights Rehab".

If I go to Hell when I die, it would be exactly like that place.

P.S. This was back in the late 1980s, so I'm sure it's different now.
 
I agree with mostly, as I've worked in healthcare for 30 years.

Nurses have unrealistic expectations on them, and then it's their fault when things go wrong.

This is true in hospitals, but it's especially true in nursing homes and rehab facilities.

There was a nursing home in Miami (if we can dignify this place by calling it a "nursing home") that was so nasty and disgusting . . . that I wouldn't have wanted Adolf Hitler to be a resident there.

We get a call for a woman in respiratory distress, and found a 90 year-old woman with a lot of secretions and foam around her mouth. She was out of it because of end-stage Alzheimer's, and she wasn't a DNR.

I used my suction equipment to clear her airway, and suctioned a huge palmetto bug (a large, tropical flying cockroach) out of her airway.

But at least we got her breathing again.

It was called "Jackson Heights Rehab".

If I go to Hell when I die, it would be exactly like that place.

P.S. This was back in the late 1980s, so I'm sure it's different now.
Yikes that's awful. But based on working with the elderly, some of whom live in nursing homes, it doesn't surprise me. Most of our clients are "higher end" (because our particular services are private pay) and even those facilities have a lot of problems. I can't even imagine the lower-income places.
 
Yikes that's awful. But based on working with the elderly, some of whom live in nursing homes, it doesn't surprise me. Most of our clients are "higher end" (because our particular services are private pay) and even those facilities have a lot of problems. I can't even imagine the lower-income places.
I badly wanted a tetanus shot just because I walked through the front door of that place.

On another occasion, we got a hysterical, unintelligible call from a panicking CNA.

We arrived on scene, and an employee had fainted and passed out in the boiler room.

While I was working on her, I felt like I was being watched.

I turned around and looked up, and there were all these bats hanging upside down in the tattered insulation . . . watching me while I was working.

There were pipes that went through the cinderblock wall to the outside, and there was no collar around the pipe. It was just a big gap, so I assume that the bats came in that way.

The patient was lady was from Haiti, and in their culture, they have a lot of superstitions about bats.
 
I badly wanted a tetanus shot just because I walked through the front door of that place.

On another occasion, we got a hysterical, unintelligible call from a panicking CNA.

We arrived on scene, and an employee had fainted and passed out in the boiler room.

While I was working on her, I felt like I was being watched.

I turned around and looked up, and there were all these bats hanging upside down in the tattered insulation . . . watching me while I was working.

There were pipes that went through the cinderblock wall to the outside, and there was no collar around the pipe. It was just a big gap, so I assume that the bats came in that way.

The patient was lady was from Haiti, and in their culture, they have a lot of superstitions about bats.
I don't think I'd pass out but I'd nope outta there pretty quick. Bats are on my "stay away as far as possible" list.
 
If you don't want to get upset, just stop now & close this. Read it later when you can handle it.

OK, warning done.

First, this past week this video came out of Detroit of a young man beating an elderly man in a nursing home...
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/co...utally-beats-patients-with-blows-to-the-head/

It has been deleted from youtube, but scroll down & it shows the video.

And then it gets worse.
https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/de...sing-home-because-he-has-covid-19-says-father

This young guy is a mental patient put into the nursing home because he had Covid19. And does anyone wonder why people are dying and dropping like flies in Michigan? I don't know how many lawsuits this opens up, but add 3 or 6 zeros to the end of the cost of each of them. The family of the elderly man shouldn't go to court, they should be given loaded guns and put everyone who created this situation in front of them. From the governor down to the nutjob young guy. This goes beyond horrific. I warned you, your blood is boiling now as well?

I couldn’t finish watching it. This is indescribably horrific. Someone needs to take him down.
 

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