Beginning of Food Crisis in First World Countries?
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bigpaul
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not so much in Britain at the moment, we are 60% self sufficient in food the rest is imported, if the imports stopped them we would have a problem, the main problem is that there is a cost of living crisis, an energy crisis and most people are heavily in debt.
most people could afford to feed themselves and well but they insist in buy crap non food products instead.
I did our monthly supermarket food shop on Monday, there were no food shortages in the stores and got everything on the list and some extras too.
most people could afford to feed themselves and well but they insist in buy crap non food products instead.
I did our monthly supermarket food shop on Monday, there were no food shortages in the stores and got everything on the list and some extras too.
The rest of the article states that it is the British Farmers who are raising the alarm bells. Certainly they know of what they speak in this area.
As everyone knows, when the shelves are getting empty, it is far too late to fix the growing of food for that season.
As everyone knows, when the shelves are getting empty, it is far too late to fix the growing of food for that season.
rainingcatzanddogs
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Exactly. This year's crops or lack thereof (of non-perishables), won't hit the shelves until this time, next year. This year's shortages won't be evident until then.
So true! Plus, with countries that do import even some food…if they were counting on getting those crops from the Southern Hemisphere countries, they are out of luck! Because of the eruption of Tonga, crops in the south are going to be very low this growing season.
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The long line at the food bank can have another reason. Partly in Europe the costs for energy and heating raised up until 600, 800% at some places. A lot of people need now to decide if the would pay rent, energy, heating or food. So people wait in the line for something to eat instead of sitting in an cold dark house.
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It appears that everyone are getting what they all keep voting for; high prices, shortages and hard times.
Yesterday we went grocery shopping. All the shelves looked full, at least on the front of the shelf. The wife overheard a couple store employees comment that their warehouse was empty. What was on the shelf was all they had, with no shipments until Thursday. It's possible that this is normal for Christmas time. Anyway, we got everything we needed. Even found a rifle that I want.
Yesterday we went grocery shopping. All the shelves looked full, at least on the front of the shelf. The wife overheard a couple store employees comment that their warehouse was empty. What was on the shelf was all they had, with no shipments until Thursday. It's possible that this is normal for Christmas time. Anyway, we got everything we needed. Even found a rifle that I want.
I'll say this, I know first hand certain grain supplies are way down, but I don't know what it means for us as consumers or for the UK.
I suspect the wealthier countries may not see a shortage as much as steep price increases. (Barring more catastrophes, of course. And anything can happen these days.)
We all know whenever the supply goes down, the prices go up, but most of us on here live in areas where we'll be able to pay the higher prices to get goods that are in short supply. Grains are global commodities. Some governments may keep certain crops from export if their countries are struggling, but I think we'll be able to get most things in the short term. I think it will be the poorer countries that see a shortage the most.
Whether it there's a true shortage or everyday people are priced out of affordable food, the outcome is the same, though- hungry people depending on the government.
Just my 2 cents.
I suspect the wealthier countries may not see a shortage as much as steep price increases. (Barring more catastrophes, of course. And anything can happen these days.)
We all know whenever the supply goes down, the prices go up, but most of us on here live in areas where we'll be able to pay the higher prices to get goods that are in short supply. Grains are global commodities. Some governments may keep certain crops from export if their countries are struggling, but I think we'll be able to get most things in the short term. I think it will be the poorer countries that see a shortage the most.
Whether it there's a true shortage or everyday people are priced out of affordable food, the outcome is the same, though- hungry people depending on the government.
Just my 2 cents.
Gas in our area has been down to 2.89-2.99 gallon..most grocery markets here are stocked other than canned meats like tuna and spam have been low, certain brands of chili with no beans (has been out for months), flour and cornmeal has been low on stocks...most other has been pretty well in stock but the price increases are killing me!
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Lettuce has been limited in most stores. 50% of the country’s lettuce is grown in the Salinas Valley and there is a blight affecting their crops.
Stopped at a grocery store, and the high priced organic produce looked beautiful, the regular produce looked half rotted. No leeks so on to the next store. At least the produce was all good at the discount grocer. Saved 60 cents a lb on a head of cabbage over the first store.
Stopped at a grocery store, and the high priced organic produce looked beautiful, the regular produce looked half rotted. No leeks so on to the next store. At least the produce was all good at the discount grocer. Saved 60 cents a lb on a head of cabbage over the first store.
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you wont see shortages in British stores, nobody will actually starve, whether British farmers are getting the right prices for their produce from the supermarkets is something else, supermarkets are very picky in what they buy, anything undersized or an odd shape is refused but it eats the same.
there is a problem getting pickers for the stuff that has to be picked by hand, then there are always floods and droughts that effect the crops.
there is a problem getting pickers for the stuff that has to be picked by hand, then there are always floods and droughts that effect the crops.
Do y'all have any if the ugly crop "rescue" companies there? Here we have several companies that purchase misshapen produce and sells them at a discount.
I live in one of the largest crop producing counties in the UK. My neighbours are farmers and I speak with many of them regularly when walking the pooches. They are all very worried about this.
Boris Johnson shut down one of the largest agro chem manufacturing plants in the UK last year and this has pushed the prices up per hectare fertilised considerably - don't even get me stared on pesticides! I buy weevily grain super cheap off some of them but I am pure country and know how to deal with this problem - been doing so for years. Most townies would lose their lunch if they saw crawling things in their flour and us bumpkins would lol. Townies are so precious.
When one adds into the equation that we will not take certain ag chem constituents from RU because of sanctions and even if we did still trade we now have limited production due to the plant shut down - we are in very big trouble.
I walk miles and have done so for years. I see the same high Nitrogen dependant crops being grown in the same fields year after year - without fertiliser they WILL fail and the yield per hectare WILL reduce dramatically, meaning fewer bushels produced and much higher prices. Crop rotation is not possible on the farms of this size - it was almost like they were set up to fail. The supermarkets are already refusing British egg farmers their going rates (they blame bird flu lol there is zero sign of it out here in the sticks) and will import eggs from Italy (because Jumbo jets are sooo good for the climate change hysteria I suspect, right? Roflmao) and this is just the start of the bullSt ... just fill in the blanks.
You have no idea how stupid the average Brit is and how little fks they give about where 'their' food (it belongs to the farmers who grow it and if they refuse to sell then you guys in the cities get a hungry belly real fast - did you grow it? No, then shut up) comes from. The dairy guys near me saw good milk poured onto super market carpets and have now installed machines on their heifer yards - I take a clean and empty container to the farm and get the best grass fed heifer milk you can possibly imagine to taste and this keeps my pals farming. I also get cheese and butter.
If you live in the city and you see idiots tipping good milk over the floor perhaps call the filth and register a complaint about criminal damage or theft. You are putting the folks who produce your city food out of business. Or don't. It is YOUR choice. Don't cry when there is nothing on the shelves.
And for all those folks in 'remote' (lmafao there is nothing remote in the entire UK as it is ALL in walking distance given enough time and the right motivating factors) who have the "I'm alright Jack" mentality - my advice is to give it time
rainingcatzanddogs
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I live in one of the largest crop producing counties in the UK. My neighbours are farmers and I speak with many of them regularly when walking the pooches. They are all very worried about this.
Boris Johnson shut down one of the largest agro chem manufacturing plants in the UK last year and this has pushed the prices up per hectare fertilised considerably - don't even get me stared on pesticides! I buy weevily grain super cheap off some of them but I am pure country and know how to deal with this problem - been doing so for years. Most townies would lose their lunch if they saw crawling things in their flour and us bumpkins would lol. Townies are so precious.
When one adds into the equation that we will not take certain ag chem constituents from RU because of sanctions and even if we did still trade we now have limited production due to the plant shut down - we are in very big trouble.
I walk miles and have done so for years. I see the same high Nitrogen dependant crops being grown in the same fields year after year - without fertiliser they WILL fail and the yield per hectare WILL reduce dramatically, meaning fewer bushels produced and much higher prices. Crop rotation is not possible on the farms of this size - it was almost like they were set up to fail. The supermarkets are already refusing British egg farmers their going rates (they blame bird flu lol there is zero sign of it out here in the sticks) and will import eggs from Italy (because Jumbo jets are sooo good for the climate change hysteria I suspect, right? Roflmao) and this is just the start of the bullSt ... just fill in the blanks.
You have no idea how stupid the average Brit is and how little fks they give about where 'their' food (it belongs to the farmers who grow it and if they refuse to sell then you guys in the cities get a hungry belly real fast - did you grow it? No, then shut up) comes from. The dairy guys near me saw good milk poured onto super market carpets and have now installed machines on their heifer yards - I take a clean and empty container to the farm and get the best grass fed heifer milk you can possibly imagine to taste and this keeps my pals farming. I also get cheese and butter.
If you live in the city and you see idiots tipping good milk over the floor perhaps call the filth and register a complaint about criminal damage or theft. You are putting the folks who produce your city food out of business. Or don't. It is YOUR choice. Don't cry when there is nothing on the shelves.
And for all those folks in 'remote' (lmafao there is nothing remote in the entire UK as it is ALL in walking distance given enough time and the right motivating factors) who have the "I'm alright Jack" mentality - my advice is to give it time
@Holly1 Very well stated. These people pushing this climate agenda have lost their cotton picking minds!
Glad you have a clear head, a clear picture and hopefully a clear future
I watched a very funny bit of propaganda recently on Youtube (mepipe as I call it) it was titled "Aftermath: Population zero - The World Without Humans".
What did I glean? There was an Ice Age and some humans survived and then thrived and the expanded their territory. Then they made many advancements, which warmed the Ice Aged planet into a habitable one. We all produce CO2 which plants need and love and we have turned many uninhabitable locations into thriving ones (I do not like cities and think they are dangerous potential flashpoints). In this erm ... documentary (pmsl) without us awful humans 'polluting with all our CO2' plants and animals will be almost okay ... until the next Ice Age kills everything north and south of the Equator. Yup sounds great, right? I'm going to stop breathing right now - how about you? Nah, f it, lets make the deserts green again. Breathe deep, friend, breathe deep. =)
Clear future? UK here. Friend I dunno where you are at but in the US some think the UK has no firearms. Rest assured there a lot of farmers that own things that many would not tangle with - all legally owned. At certain times out here the average townie would think it was the Wild West lol. Then there are folks like me who have very specialised sporting pursuits - again 100% legal under UK law. Now friend, if you have a spare few minutes, go look on Youtube and see how the average human (we call them townies) fare against a goose - one single goose! You may need to hold your ribs as you will laugh very hard. When you can breath without laughing, then look up Bulls chasing dogs or dog walkers. Again please brace your ribs in case you laugh very hard and break one. I want zero injuries here.
City types who think they will walk into a dairy herd and kill a heifer don't really know very much about pregnant cows. If they go after the bulls, then I will help the farmers to haul the corpse.
The only thing that causes a crisis is people who refuse to prepare and break the law in their panic. Their fate is what they make. We have the internet and access to more information than ever before. Ignorance is a choice and not an excuse.
Be well, friend.
Sorry but I think you misunderstood what I wanted to say in a few words.
I meant you had a clear picture of what was happening around you in the UK- and that you were one of the few with a clear head and not another sheeple following the herd to slaughter. Also hoping you had a clear future of being able to prep, self-support and keep together with the farmers in your area to support each other and protect each other...hopefully that came over better. I am not in the US also.
I have seen many videos of grown ups and children running from geese, chickens and also from donkeys trying to get some sex with a guy who pulled his pants down to take a dump in the wrong field...
I sincerely apologise friend. Typing with only one hand as I am gripping ribs due to laughing too hard. That video, though .... oh, my Giddy Aunt lol!
Yup many hard man city types thinking the country farms will be a push over for finding an easy meal are going to get a rude awakening when dealing with common farm animals ( let us just not even go into what pigs are like to handle lol).
I have lived here for decades and even now if I ask a question some farmers will occasionally raise an eyebrow and then after talks they calm down. An outsider would be met with a raised something but it sure won't be an eyebrow.
I am very sorry for any miscommunication - I am thinking about many things ALL OF THE TIME and in the back of my brain I am calculating probabilities ... potential scenarios ... reading world leader's words and thinking many steps ahead. I don't have many friends to talk to and I get a bit excited by math and physics - I think I may be a NERD! Please forgive my inability to do as well with words and humour. These things can be a tad harder for me unless I realy concentrate - and I heard some stuff through the grapevine that is potentially of a greater priority.
Use old pop bottles to store water, buy carbs and pulse, get portable water filter and outdoor stuff and get ready to run in the future.
I hope I am wrong.
Best wishes to you and the one you care for.
I have all that covered, thanks for the tips tho. I have more in a single backpack than 99% of the world has in their pantry for survival. I have been teaching survival and preparedness since 1974 and had survival school in Germany for five years. Now I am planning another school in Hungary with the mayor of the local town and the
Boy Scouts/Explorers there next year. As the war gets worse and longer in Ukraine, there are more people getting ready, prepping and wanting to learn more of survival.
I am ex-military and ex-antiterror trainer also. I keep the same scenarios and possibilities up front in my daily plans, shopping and reading here with like minded preppers. We all have the same goals, even with "nerds" as you mentioned. Only, we need those who understand to keep their eyes open and mouth shut sometimes. It is ok to think many things in private, but sometimes also good to keep certain things to yourself to avoid un-needed wasting of precious time discussing things which others would never change their minds or hearts on...learn what you can, keep the peace amongst those you love and live free, Gary
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