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I suggest that you take the following information very seriously. It is a fact that there are laws on the books that will enable .gov to take and redistribute what you have – as they see fit – under the same circumstances that many of you are prepping for…

Should those circumstances actually come to pass, they will actually have the legal authority to take what you have. It will be even easier for them to do so if they and their agents preemptively discover (e.g. through local word-of-mouth) that you are one of those ‘preppers’. In other words, if you’re ‘ratted out’.

The mainstream has labeled ‘preppers’ = ‘bad’ (and worse), and the fact is that their label’s have ‘stuck’ in the minds of many – that’s another discussion altogether… Those who are self-sufficient-minded, independent-minded, liberty-minded, Constitutionalists, gun owners, any of the above… (you get the idea), be aware of your ‘label’ and the anti-hoarding laws which will paint a big target on you and your abode…

Note: In the context of this article, “hoarding” is not that of having piles of so called junk all around one’s home and yard, instead we’re talking about things like a deep food pantry, food storage beyond a few weeks, extra consumable supplies that you’ve stored, things like that… ‘They’ (the mainstream) have also labeled this type of thing as hoarding (which is ridiculous).

So here we go… how can .gov actually take this away from you?



Right now, today, if you’re someone who has ‘prepared’ for disaster, SHTF, or for the seemingly inevitable socioeconomic collapse, you WILL become a target of not only those who believe that what’s yours is also theirs, or desperate neighbors or looters, but by your own government. Federal, State, Local, National Guard, even the regular Military… You’re running the risk of having everything taken away from you.

How?

Federal and/or State emergency provisions that are already on the books.

Sec. 801. Definitions. In addition to the definitions in section 702 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2152, the following definitions apply throughout this order:

(a) “Civil transportation” includes movement of persons and property by all modes of transportation in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce within the United States, its territories and possessions, and the District of Columbia, and related public storage and warehousing, ports, services, equipment and facilities, such as transportation carrier shop and repair facilities. “Civil transportation” also shall include direction, control, and coordination of civil transportation capacity regardless of ownership. “Civil transportation” shall not include transportation owned or controlled by the Department of Defense, use of petroleum and gas pipelines, and coal slurry pipelines used only to supply energy production facilities directly.

(b) “Energy” means all forms of energy including petroleum, gas (both natural and manufactured), electricity, solid fuels (including all forms of coal, coke, coal chemicals, coal liquification, and coal gasification), solar, wind, other types of renewable energy, atomic energy, and the production, conservation, use, control, and distribution (including pipelines) of all of these forms of energy.

(c) “Farm equipment” means equipment, machinery, and repair parts manufactured for use on farms in connection with the production or preparation for market use of food resources.

(d) “Fertilizer” means any product or combination of products that contain one or more of the elements nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium for use as a plant nutrient.

(e) “Food resources” means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. “Food resources” also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.

(f) “Food resource facilities” means plants, machinery, vehicles (including on farm), and other facilities required for the production, processing, distribution, and storage (including cold storage) of food resources, and for the domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer (excluding transportation thereof).

(g) “Functions” include powers, duties, authority, responsibilities, and discretion.

(h) “Head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense” means the heads of the Departments of State, Justice, the Interior, and Homeland Security, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the General Services Administration, and all other agencies with authority delegated under section 201 of this order.

(i) “Health resources” means drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment required to diagnose, mitigate or prevent the impairment of, improve, treat, cure, or restore the physical or mental health conditions of the population.

(j) “National defense” means programs for military and energy production or construction, military or critical infrastructure assistance to any foreign nation, homeland security, stockpiling, space, and any directly related activity. Such term includes emergency preparedness activities conducted pursuant to title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. 5195 et seq., and critical infrastructure protection and restoration.

(k) “Offsets” means compensation practices required as a condition of purchase in either government to government or commercial sales of defense articles and/or defense services as defined by the Arms Export Control Act, 22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq., and the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, 22 C.F.R. 120.1 130.17.

(l) “Special priorities assistance” means action by resource departments to assist with expediting deliveries, placing rated orders, locating suppliers, resolving production or delivery conflicts between various rated orders, addressing problems that arise in the fulfillment of a rated order or other action authorized by a delegated agency, and determining the validity of rated orders.

(m) “Strategic and critical materials” means materials (including energy) that (1) would be needed to supply the military, industrial, and essential civilian needs of the United States during a national emergency, and (2) are not found or produced in the United States in sufficient quantities to meet such need and are vulnerable to the termination or reduction of the availability of the material.

(n) “Water resources” means all usable water, from all sources, within the jurisdiction of the United States, that can be managed, controlled, and allocated to meet emergency requirements, except “water resources” does not include usable water that qualifies as “food resources.”

In order to prevent hoarding, no person shall accumulate (1) in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption, or (2) for the purpose of resale at prices in excess of prevailing market prices, materials which have been designated by the President as scarce materials or materials the supply of which would be threatened by such accumulation. The President shall order published in the Federal Register, and in such other manner as he may deem appropriate, every designation of materials the accumulation of which is unlawful and any withdrawal of such designation.

In making such designations the President may prescribe such conditions with respect to the accumulation of materials in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption as he deems necessary to carry out the objectives of this Act [sections 2061 to 2170, 2171, and 2172 of this Appendix]. This section shall not be construed to limit the authority contained in sections 101 and 704 of this Act [sections 2071 and 2154 of this Appendix].

It is clear that the President can decree that having more than (fill in the blank) of food supply (or whatever else) is “in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption”.

Under what circumstances could this be decreed?

Under a state of emergency. Under Martial Law.

Previously, I had written an article which points out what would happen if Martial Law were to be declared. You might want to revisit that article:
What Would Happen If Martial Law Is Declared?

I’ll list the pertinent points here:

In strict dictionary terms, martial law is the suspension of civil authority and the imposition of military authority. The military authority under the command of the President will themselves act as the police, as the courts, as the legislature.

What Would Happen Under Martial Law?

U.S. Constitution would be suspended
Suspension of habeas corpus
Suspension of civil rights
Suspension of civil law
No freedom of the press
No freedom of assembly
No freedom of speech
Curfews enforced on the people
Troops in the streets for enforcement
Checkpoints would be set up for control
Ability to hold a person without charge
Potential arrest of anyone who is a ‘suspect’
Imprisonment without representation or due process
Potential house to house confiscation of firearms, ammunition, food supplies (see above)


While you might think that a declaration of Martial Law would never happen in the United States (it already has – Lincoln – Civil War), the laws are already on the books just waiting for a proclamation by the President.

Can you think of any ‘triggers’ that would set this train in motion? I sure can… And the sheeple will be ‘all for it’ because most of them only have a few days of food in their pantry and will want what’s yours… They are counting on it. They are counting on .gov to enforce it. The thing is, it will be legally possible for .gov to do so under declared emergency circumstances.

If you’re ‘one of those’ ?? who may have a deep food pantry and other such supplies, your risk of confiscation is dependent upon where you live (e.g. population-dense regions), your proximity to military installations, the extent and depth of the ‘circumstance’ itself, and whether or not anyone else already knows about your supply (potential to be ratted out).

So what can you do about it?

First and foremost, always keep your mouth shut. And if anyone already knows that you’re a (gasp!) ‘prepper’, then simply downplay what you have. You might indicate that you only have a little extra (versus saying many months or more of storage!). For example if it ever comes up in conversation that you have ‘stuff’, then seize that opportunity to downplay it – deflate what they think you have. It’s sad to even have to discuss this – but it is today’s unfortunate reality.

Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. This means that you might consider spreading around your deep pantry. A little here, a little there. Less obvious.

‘If’ you’re home is ever searched, then they will find it. Unless you have very cleverly and effectively hidden your ‘stuff’, it will be discovered. You might consider storing a cache of supplies in another location. Use your imagination. Again, it seems weird having to discuss such things (and some might say paranoid), but it will be a serious consideration for some of you who may be closer to a ‘ground zero’…

Don’t let all your hard efforts go to forcible ‘charity’ (as opposed to that of your free will). While forced redistribution is a form of communism, don’t let yourself be fooled into thinking that it won’t happen…

Extra........The Government and FCC have a complete list of amateur radio operators, their license class and their abilities along with some information on what equipment you have. Amateur Radio operators may at some point be deemed a "enemy of the state". they are on a high priority list making them a "priority target" and may target them for "clean-up" so as to remove their ability to communicate with anyone. They will take everything, radios (mobile, base station, handhelds), antennas, amps and any other pieces of equipment they want. Basically they will remove your ability to communicate period.
Any form of communications be it analog or digital.

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I have already put away doubles of just about everything I own and when this is put in place and you are discovered as having communications devices you may be shot or imprisoned depending on what you are communicating and labeled an "enemy of the state". They will take this to the extreme. You should not advertise anything about what you have or how much. The government and military are counting on word of mouth and they "will" find someone who will rat you out, even your neighbor who may get something in return for your info.
The NSA has info on EVERY SINGLE PERSON. it has all been established through DMV, your bank, school, job, hospitals, doctors, clubs, groups. They know what your shopping habits are. your entertainment habits are and records of both and much more to create a profile of you and put you in a "category of persons" and many of us have freely given this info out without thinking of what it may be used for. Most of us don't even know info has been collected for years and many of us already have a "profile label".
If you plucked a single feather off a chicken one every week it would take weeks and weeks before you discovered what was going on. This is the exact trick the government is using to implement "control" of us. The same goes for "Agenda 21", they are doing things a little here and a little there and when most of us realize whats going on it will be too late, everything will be in place.
All the things we have heard about or read ourselves like train cars with shackles in them, hundreds of thousands of coffins stored in a field in Georgia, these so called "FEMA" camps which are continuously being built today are all part of the bigger picture.
The government is not stupid. They spend millions of dollars on social specialists focused on human habits and reactions and this gives them the ability to do what they do and know exactly what the human reaction will be as well as know what the civilian capabilities are. their biggest hurdle and the one thing that pisses off the United Nations is US citizens still have guns, it's more than one gun per human in the US and i feel they will be brutal when it comes to removing them. I think it will be a bloody mess when martial law is declared and they implement removal of all guns throughout the US.
The government is breaking the ultimate law of the land. Our constitution is the premium law but that has not stopped the CIA from breaking it many many times. It seems the constitution means nothing to some so when the boots are on the ground the constitution will be nothing to them but another piece of paper.
The worst is yet to come and as for preppers, we are or will be targets of the state and if your an amateur radio operator you will be a bigger target. If you have caches of weapons, ammo, food, fuel
or water you will be an even bigger target. Seems the harder you prep for yourself and family the more illegal they want to make it. Is this not a form of control?
when they knock at my door and attack my rights I will shit on them, piss on them and do whatever i can before they take my body, the joke will be on them because they can never take my soul, it belongs to God. I will kill in defense but never murder.
 
Point noted , but the Government expects Us to be self reliant for the most part . There's a lot of info telling you help may not show have a supply of food and water . Martial Law not needed to get a visit a nosey neighbor can cause alot of trouble .
If things are going bad I don't see local , State , Federal agencies trying to locate all the mre's or sending their force out to the boondocks to round up ramen noodles and spam .
 
Much of this was already in play in the 50s 60s and 70s under the Federal Civil Defense Act 1950 when it was under the control of the Pentagon. With the advent of the internet people freak out over something that has already been with us for 68 years, my generation already knew about this over 60 years. The government limited what the farmers could sell to general population WWI Great Depression WWII. It's the same message just under a different mandate/act over the years.

I remember going out with my dad in 62 taking inventory of grocery stores, harvest take per farm and number of large gardens in the town we were visiting. The internet is rehashing old info for nothing more than fear mongering like the likes of alex jones.
 
Thats why the 2nd amendment is so important. It protects us from losing all other constitutional god given rights. If anyone including the governnent attempts to take anything from me in a unconstitutional manner, they will be resisted with deadly force. If thats the way I leave this world its fine by me.
 
Just because this stupid law has been around for a while doesn't make it right. It wasn't right then and it sure as hell isn't right now. I'm glad it's being talked about again to let people know of the dangers of a large out of control government.
I for one will never give up anything of mine without a fight. I'm really not too worried anyway. With hiring quotas, affirmative action and the current available workforce, government slackers are so stupid, lazy and incompetent they couldn't find a stash of food in a grocery store.
 
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Just because this stupid law has been around for a while doesn't make it right. It wasn't right then and it sure as hell isn't right now. I'm glad it's being talked about again to let people know of the dangers of a large out of control government.
I for one will never give up anything of mine without a fight. I'm really not too worried anyway. With hiring quotas, affirmative action and the current workforce, government slackers are so stupid, lazy and incompetent they couldn't find a stash of food in a grocery store.

No it doesn’t make it right but it all changed after 1865, the last year of the republic when the government pretty much ended state rights!
 
Law or not, during wartime soldiers tend to take what they need. Wether sanctioned by the federal govt or not. I think having some reserved supplies in more than one location just makes sense for a lot of reasons. In addition to theft, fire, flood and the govt raiding your pantry, there are other things like rodents or ants, etc.
 
Point noted , but the Government expects Us to be self reliant for the most part . There's a lot of info telling you help may not show have a supply of food and water . Martial Law not needed to get a visit a nosey neighbor can cause alot of trouble .
If things are going bad I don't see local , State , Federal agencies trying to locate all the mre's or sending their force out to the boondocks to round up ramen noodles and spam .

In an all-out SHTF, the gov't ain't gonna be looking for MREs or Ramen Noodles.....they are going to have a lot bigger things to worry about. Mine are pretty safe....45 miles from nowhere, USA!!
 
In an all-out SHTF, the gov't ain't gonna be looking for MREs or Ramen Noodles.....they are going to have a lot bigger things to worry about. Mine are pretty safe....45 miles from nowhere, USA!!
I agree, the federal govt would be the least of your worries. Local militias or gangs could be another story though. There was a movie called Cold back mountain, set during the civil was. The local ‘police’ force, sanctioned by the govt got pretty abusive with their power. I could easily see that happening, but really believe gangs and scavengers would be the lasgest threat, especially initially.
 
I suggest that you take the following information very seriously. It is a fact that there are laws on the books that will enable .gov to take and redistribute what you have – as they see fit – under the same circumstances that many of you are prepping for…

Should those circumstances actually come to pass, they will actually have the legal authority to take what you have. It will be even easier for them to do so if they and their agents preemptively discover (e.g. through local word-of-mouth) that you are one of those ‘preppers’. In other words, if you’re ‘ratted out’.

The mainstream has labeled ‘preppers’ = ‘bad’ (and worse), and the fact is that their label’s have ‘stuck’ in the minds of many – that’s another discussion altogether… Those who are self-sufficient-minded, independent-minded, liberty-minded, Constitutionalists, gun owners, any of the above… (you get the idea), be aware of your ‘label’ and the anti-hoarding laws which will paint a big target on you and your abode…

Note: In the context of this article, “hoarding” is not that of having piles of so called junk all around one’s home and yard, instead we’re talking about things like a deep food pantry, food storage beyond a few weeks, extra consumable supplies that you’ve stored, things like that… ‘They’ (the mainstream) have also labeled this type of thing as hoarding (which is ridiculous).

So here we go… how can .gov actually take this away from you?



Right now, today, if you’re someone who has ‘prepared’ for disaster, SHTF, or for the seemingly inevitable socioeconomic collapse, you WILL become a target of not only those who believe that what’s yours is also theirs, or desperate neighbors or looters, but by your own government. Federal, State, Local, National Guard, even the regular Military… You’re running the risk of having everything taken away from you.

How?

Federal and/or State emergency provisions that are already on the books.

Sec. 801. Definitions. In addition to the definitions in section 702 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2152, the following definitions apply throughout this order:

(a) “Civil transportation” includes movement of persons and property by all modes of transportation in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce within the United States, its territories and possessions, and the District of Columbia, and related public storage and warehousing, ports, services, equipment and facilities, such as transportation carrier shop and repair facilities. “Civil transportation” also shall include direction, control, and coordination of civil transportation capacity regardless of ownership. “Civil transportation” shall not include transportation owned or controlled by the Department of Defense, use of petroleum and gas pipelines, and coal slurry pipelines used only to supply energy production facilities directly.

(b) “Energy” means all forms of energy including petroleum, gas (both natural and manufactured), electricity, solid fuels (including all forms of coal, coke, coal chemicals, coal liquification, and coal gasification), solar, wind, other types of renewable energy, atomic energy, and the production, conservation, use, control, and distribution (including pipelines) of all of these forms of energy.

(c) “Farm equipment” means equipment, machinery, and repair parts manufactured for use on farms in connection with the production or preparation for market use of food resources.

(d) “Fertilizer” means any product or combination of products that contain one or more of the elements nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium for use as a plant nutrient.

(e) “Food resources” means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. “Food resources” also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.

(f) “Food resource facilities” means plants, machinery, vehicles (including on farm), and other facilities required for the production, processing, distribution, and storage (including cold storage) of food resources, and for the domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer (excluding transportation thereof).

(g) “Functions” include powers, duties, authority, responsibilities, and discretion.

(h) “Head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense” means the heads of the Departments of State, Justice, the Interior, and Homeland Security, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the General Services Administration, and all other agencies with authority delegated under section 201 of this order.

(i) “Health resources” means drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment required to diagnose, mitigate or prevent the impairment of, improve, treat, cure, or restore the physical or mental health conditions of the population.

(j) “National defense” means programs for military and energy production or construction, military or critical infrastructure assistance to any foreign nation, homeland security, stockpiling, space, and any directly related activity. Such term includes emergency preparedness activities conducted pursuant to title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. 5195 et seq., and critical infrastructure protection and restoration.

(k) “Offsets” means compensation practices required as a condition of purchase in either government to government or commercial sales of defense articles and/or defense services as defined by the Arms Export Control Act, 22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq., and the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, 22 C.F.R. 120.1 130.17.

(l) “Special priorities assistance” means action by resource departments to assist with expediting deliveries, placing rated orders, locating suppliers, resolving production or delivery conflicts between various rated orders, addressing problems that arise in the fulfillment of a rated order or other action authorized by a delegated agency, and determining the validity of rated orders.

(m) “Strategic and critical materials” means materials (including energy) that (1) would be needed to supply the military, industrial, and essential civilian needs of the United States during a national emergency, and (2) are not found or produced in the United States in sufficient quantities to meet such need and are vulnerable to the termination or reduction of the availability of the material.

(n) “Water resources” means all usable water, from all sources, within the jurisdiction of the United States, that can be managed, controlled, and allocated to meet emergency requirements, except “water resources” does not include usable water that qualifies as “food resources.”

In order to prevent hoarding, no person shall accumulate (1) in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption, or (2) for the purpose of resale at prices in excess of prevailing market prices, materials which have been designated by the President as scarce materials or materials the supply of which would be threatened by such accumulation. The President shall order published in the Federal Register, and in such other manner as he may deem appropriate, every designation of materials the accumulation of which is unlawful and any withdrawal of such designation.

In making such designations the President may prescribe such conditions with respect to the accumulation of materials in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption as he deems necessary to carry out the objectives of this Act [sections 2061 to 2170, 2171, and 2172 of this Appendix]. This section shall not be construed to limit the authority contained in sections 101 and 704 of this Act [sections 2071 and 2154 of this Appendix].

It is clear that the President can decree that having more than (fill in the blank) of food supply (or whatever else) is “in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption”.

Under what circumstances could this be decreed?

Under a state of emergency. Under Martial Law.

Previously, I had written an article which points out what would happen if Martial Law were to be declared. You might want to revisit that article:
What Would Happen If Martial Law Is Declared?

I’ll list the pertinent points here:

In strict dictionary terms, martial law is the suspension of civil authority and the imposition of military authority. The military authority under the command of the President will themselves act as the police, as the courts, as the legislature.

What Would Happen Under Martial Law?

U.S. Constitution would be suspended
Suspension of habeas corpus
Suspension of civil rights
Suspension of civil law
No freedom of the press
No freedom of assembly
No freedom of speech
Curfews enforced on the people
Troops in the streets for enforcement
Checkpoints would be set up for control
Ability to hold a person without charge
Potential arrest of anyone who is a ‘suspect’
Imprisonment without representation or due process
Potential house to house confiscation of firearms, ammunition, food supplies (see above)


While you might think that a declaration of Martial Law would never happen in the United States (it already has – Lincoln – Civil War), the laws are already on the books just waiting for a proclamation by the President.

Can you think of any ‘triggers’ that would set this train in motion? I sure can… And the sheeple will be ‘all for it’ because most of them only have a few days of food in their pantry and will want what’s yours… They are counting on it. They are counting on .gov to enforce it. The thing is, it will be legally possible for .gov to do so under declared emergency circumstances.

If you’re ‘one of those’ ?? who may have a deep food pantry and other such supplies, your risk of confiscation is dependent upon where you live (e.g. population-dense regions), your proximity to military installations, the extent and depth of the ‘circumstance’ itself, and whether or not anyone else already knows about your supply (potential to be ratted out).

So what can you do about it?

First and foremost, always keep your mouth shut. And if anyone already knows that you’re a (gasp!) ‘prepper’, then simply downplay what you have. You might indicate that you only have a little extra (versus saying many months or more of storage!). For example if it ever comes up in conversation that you have ‘stuff’, then seize that opportunity to downplay it – deflate what they think you have. It’s sad to even have to discuss this – but it is today’s unfortunate reality.

Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. This means that you might consider spreading around your deep pantry. A little here, a little there. Less obvious.

‘If’ you’re home is ever searched, then they will find it. Unless you have very cleverly and effectively hidden your ‘stuff’, it will be discovered. You might consider storing a cache of supplies in another location. Use your imagination. Again, it seems weird having to discuss such things (and some might say paranoid), but it will be a serious consideration for some of you who may be closer to a ‘ground zero’…

Don’t let all your hard efforts go to forcible ‘charity’ (as opposed to that of your free will). While forced redistribution is a form of communism, don’t let yourself be fooled into thinking that it won’t happen…

Extra........The Government and FCC have a complete list of amateur radio operators, their license class and their abilities along with some information on what equipment you have. Amateur Radio operators may at some point be deemed a "enemy of the state". they are on a high priority list making them a "priority target" and may target them for "clean-up" so as to remove their ability to communicate with anyone. They will take everything, radios (mobile, base station, handhelds), antennas, amps and any other pieces of equipment they want. Basically they will remove your ability to communicate period.
Any form of communications be it analog or digital.

*************************************************************************************************

I have already put away doubles of just about everything I own and when this is put in place and you are discovered as having communications devices you may be shot or imprisoned depending on what you are communicating and labeled an "enemy of the state". They will take this to the extreme. You should not advertise anything about what you have or how much. The government and military are counting on word of mouth and they "will" find someone who will rat you out, even your neighbor who may get something in return for your info.
The NSA has info on EVERY SINGLE PERSON. it has all been established through DMV, your bank, school, job, hospitals, doctors, clubs, groups. They know what your shopping habits are. your entertainment habits are and records of both and much more to create a profile of you and put you in a "category of persons" and many of us have freely given this info out without thinking of what it may be used for. Most of us don't even know info has been collected for years and many of us already have a "profile label".
If you plucked a single feather off a chicken one every week it would take weeks and weeks before you discovered what was going on. This is the exact trick the government is using to implement "control" of us. The same goes for "Agenda 21", they are doing things a little here and a little there and when most of us realize whats going on it will be too late, everything will be in place.
All the things we have heard about or read ourselves like train cars with shackles in them, hundreds of thousands of coffins stored in a field in Georgia, these so called "FEMA" camps which are continuously being built today are all part of the bigger picture.
The government is not stupid. They spend millions of dollars on social specialists focused on human habits and reactions and this gives them the ability to do what they do and know exactly what the human reaction will be as well as know what the civilian capabilities are. their biggest hurdle and the one thing that pisses off the United Nations is US citizens still have guns, it's more than one gun per human in the US and i feel they will be brutal when it comes to removing them. I think it will be a bloody mess when martial law is declared and they implement removal of all guns throughout the US.
The government is breaking the ultimate law of the land. Our constitution is the premium law but that has not stopped the CIA from breaking it many many times. It seems the constitution means nothing to some so when the boots are on the ground the constitution will be nothing to them but another piece of paper.
The worst is yet to come and as for preppers, we are or will be targets of the state and if your an amateur radio operator you will be a bigger target. If you have caches of weapons, ammo, food, fuel
or water you will be an even bigger target. Seems the harder you prep for yourself and family the more illegal they want to make it. Is this not a form of control?
when they knock at my door and attack my rights I will shit on them, piss on them and do whatever i can before they take my body, the joke will be on them because they can never take my soul, it belongs to God. I will kill in defense but never murder.
Yep. but this isn't new news. Just be reasonable, use your head, make good decisions.
 
Law or not, during wartime soldiers tend to take what they need. Wether sanctioned by the federal govt or not. I think having some reserved supplies in more than one location just makes sense for a lot of reasons. In addition to theft, fire, flood and the govt raiding your pantry, there are other things like rodents or ants, etc.
If soldiers can't get what they need from supply they will scavenge.
 
None of this is new, it's even built right into the Constitution. Of course, it's also why you can have guns. But yeah, if the modern military wants to roll over you and seize it, there's little we can do to stop that. Again though, if things are that bad, chances are there either a) won't be a military, or b) they'll have bigger fish to fry....
 
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Timeline how we got screwed (early 20th century)

http://www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=48

After the Civil War the government gave its self more powers ending the Republic, in the early 20th century congress gave themselves and the president even more powers and that’s what the link above illustrates.
 

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