Sticky A new Civil War has begun, who's side are you on?
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Defending the constitution does not require strategy, it requires nothing but resolve. They do not need to communicate, they only need to know what is right vs. what is wrong and be tired enough of being oppressed to die for the freedoms they claim to value so much.
Well, have at it, then.
Many people seem to have the answers but so far I'm not seeing anyone do anything.
I hope you were joking. Evil wins wars all the time. Who’s right and who’s wrong is a matter for the history books to decide, and history is written by the victors. Strategy, logistics, manpower, these are all things that are required in any conflict. It doesn’t matter if the conflict is hot conflict or Cold War status.
Few of us have the influence or the monetary means. Though some of us do our part whenever and however we can. Things like this take time, but we do have our leaders, we just have to actively get involved.
The rights acknowledged by the Constitution come from Almighty God and do not stop when a tyrannical, treasonous cabal attempts to oppress and subvert them.
They don't end when those tyrants attempt to shred our Constitution, or give American soveriegnty to foreign powers either.
Molon labe
They don't end when those tyrants attempt to shred our Constitution, or give American soveriegnty to foreign powers either.
Molon labe
Nearly all of the people claiming they "don't see anyone doing anything" are doing nothing themselves except sitting there waiting for someone with more courage than them to challenge the system.
Resolve requires mental preparedness and courage, it does not mean having the blueprints to the governors house and an encrypted texting app with discussions on who to "straighten out". If people understood the laws that govern them, they would have a better chance at defending themselves and their rights. And if enough people did that, things would change.
Don't like seatbelt laws? Maybe you should learn how to challenge court jurisdiction (hint: if you are at trial, its too late). What does jurisdicion have to do with it? A whole lot. Step one - establish that it is a criminal matter by asking them, they will certainly agree. Step 2- point out that the constitution guarantees you a jury trial for anything over $20. At this point they will look irritated and begin to stumble over their words and finally say that this is a civil matter and that you are not entitled to a jury (as no jury will convict on a seatbelt case). At that time, you simply motion to dismiss on the grounds that the criminal court you are standing in just admitted to not having jurisdiction and then walk out when they are forced to agree with you.
Know a felon with a firearm charge? Imagine how pissed that person would be to find out their public defender (working for the prosecutor and paid by the state) blasted the defendant right through omnibus and pretrial and now his opportunity to address evidentiary and constitutional issues is gone forever! That Rule 11 (minnesota) opportunity is never coming back and you will not be allowed to utter the words "Bill of Rights" in trial because you missed your chance!
"Doing something about it" doesn't require an AR-15., although it is a nice thing to have on hand.
The criminals in power do not obey laws that go against there Tyrrany. If we wish to use the law to protect our liberties, we must first restore the rule of law and remove the criminals that rule there.
While I owe you zero explanations- I'll suffice to say that I am content with the differences I have made for my communities and state. You wouldn't know that, of course, because you don't know me.
There are a lot of assumptions in your reaponse. I clearly am not on a public forum encouraging anyone to invade a governors house. That is idiotic and, frankly, silly to assume that's what I meant.
"Plans" are needed for even things as simple who is running for an office. What information we have, what our plans are, which laws will be challenged and the strategy for doing so, those are all things we need to hold closely until it is necessaryto reveal them. Thus far, our attempts at winning back our government from those who are clearly willing to break laws and scheme has not been successful because we are treating it as if they follow the rules. They don't. You can't tell the opposition every detail of your plans if the opposition will use whatever information they have to undermine you.
Any national headway must be communicated in some way. Yes, there are plenty of ways to be involved in a grassroots movement, but national changes require national coordination.
Even responses to national problems like BLM riots could use some national coordination. As of now, the opposition owns all communication. There is no way to communicate how to deal with a riot, for example, without using their means of communication.
Arrogance always gets my hackles up, so of you didn't intend to sound as condescending as you did, I hope you'll understand. If you are confused about something I comment, ask. My life is short and I have no time for argumentative folks who just want to get into a pissing contest.
That is certainly a problem. Itnis unfortunate that those who get involved in politics are normally people who crave power, so they are often easily manipulated by that desire.
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Arcticdude
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Talk is cheap. I don't think many people have the backbone to put up any kind of fight now days. When our country went socialist, nobody fought back. We're going communist now and nobody is fighting back. I personally think we need a civil war, or another revolution in this country. Unfortunately we have no leaders, and since we live in a police state, we have no way to organize. A few geezers running around the woods playing GI Joe isn't going to be any help.
The only way EVIL wins is for good men & women to do nothing long live the revolution my fellow patriots
Oddcaliber
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America is pushing back, over a beer!
Arcticdude
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As long as people have their beer, cigarettes, sports, cell phones and internet, they (most) don't care much about anything else.
gotta start somewhere. wait until people see how effective it ends up being. it may spread.
When Americans were truthfully stating that the 2A was drafted in order to allow American citizens to protect themselves from potentially tyrannical governments, Joe Biden had the audacity to state that the government has F-16’s, what good would guns do against that type of equipment.
That statement alone should have completely shown, even liberals, that if a sick, demented, tyrannical leader, (regardless of who it is) whether by their own idea or if they’re pushed into by others, is dangerous enough to even mention the potential use of military action against his own nations citizens, something has gone off the rails. So, if you have no means of defense, it would seem that your choices are either become a slave to the state or die.
I’m not confident that there would be enough patriots alive that would be willing to sacrifice what the men and women did to build this nation. But I know one thing, the circumstances we live under today seem eerily similar to the circumstances that America was founded under. That king certainly used the weapons of war he had on his own citizens. That’s why the 2A was and is so important, the men and women founding this land had just lived through actually standing up to a tyrannical leader, it’s not about hunting and it’s not about sport shooting. Those are soft sells.
So, someone tell me, what kind of sacrifice does it take to defend freedom, American founding fathers knew.
What was it Patrick Henry said. Oh, yeah, I remember, “Give me liberty or give me death.”
How about the man that drafted our founding documents. “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson
Very few that have experienced it typically want armed conflict, but if we’re not willing to sacrifice something very sacred, we may not enjoy the freedoms we currently take so for granted and are losing little by little. Anyone see any frogs?
I personally would prefer secession to any type of armed conflict. But I think liberals would never support this because they know that their ideas would fail without actual hard working, freedom living, people for them to steal money from. They know they would end up living in the disgusting mire, in just about every major urban, democratic infested enclave we see today. I would prefer setting up two or even three independent sovereign nations and give every legitimate citizen the choice which one they want to be a part of and be given support to get them there. I will choose the one that will honor god, allow you to work for what you have and have only what you work for and finally, allow you to protect yourself, your family and your property. No attempts to limit those freedoms would be acceptable. Then set sovereign boundaries that will be vigorously defended.
That statement alone should have completely shown, even liberals, that if a sick, demented, tyrannical leader, (regardless of who it is) whether by their own idea or if they’re pushed into by others, is dangerous enough to even mention the potential use of military action against his own nations citizens, something has gone off the rails. So, if you have no means of defense, it would seem that your choices are either become a slave to the state or die.
I’m not confident that there would be enough patriots alive that would be willing to sacrifice what the men and women did to build this nation. But I know one thing, the circumstances we live under today seem eerily similar to the circumstances that America was founded under. That king certainly used the weapons of war he had on his own citizens. That’s why the 2A was and is so important, the men and women founding this land had just lived through actually standing up to a tyrannical leader, it’s not about hunting and it’s not about sport shooting. Those are soft sells.
So, someone tell me, what kind of sacrifice does it take to defend freedom, American founding fathers knew.
What was it Patrick Henry said. Oh, yeah, I remember, “Give me liberty or give me death.”
How about the man that drafted our founding documents. “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson
Very few that have experienced it typically want armed conflict, but if we’re not willing to sacrifice something very sacred, we may not enjoy the freedoms we currently take so for granted and are losing little by little. Anyone see any frogs?
I personally would prefer secession to any type of armed conflict. But I think liberals would never support this because they know that their ideas would fail without actual hard working, freedom living, people for them to steal money from. They know they would end up living in the disgusting mire, in just about every major urban, democratic infested enclave we see today. I would prefer setting up two or even three independent sovereign nations and give every legitimate citizen the choice which one they want to be a part of and be given support to get them there. I will choose the one that will honor god, allow you to work for what you have and have only what you work for and finally, allow you to protect yourself, your family and your property. No attempts to limit those freedoms would be acceptable. Then set sovereign boundaries that will be vigorously defended.
I was loving your comment but this part I don't get.
French people?
One of the 10 plagues?
Knitting term?
Can someone explain it to me?
I’m sorry, the frog will sit in the pot of water if you warm it up little by little until it’s too late and the boiling water will end his life.I was loving your comment but this part I don't get.
French people?
One of the 10 plagues?
Knitting term?
Can someone explain it to me?
We’re in the pot with the frog, not realizing the water has gotten much hotter and just waiting for the water to boil and take us out instead of jumping out of the pot completely.
Oh. Wow. I was way off!
