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Silent Earth

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A Look at London after 3 days

I just want to look at the hypothetical effects of a societal collapse on London if the

power went off completely for more than a few days.

Let’s start with the obvious

No Street Lights

No Traffic Lights

No Tube Trains

No Railways

No Telephones

No Cell-phone system

No Elevators

No Fridges or Freezers

No Petrol pumps (how many accidental fires caused by thefts of petrol from cars?)

No Shop lights or shop freezers

No Power to the homes

No Electronic door locks

No CCTV or Traffic Cameras

No ATMS or Cashpoints.

No mains powered radios, tv’s or game stations

No Air-con or heating

No 999 Service

No Street cleaning

No Hospitals after a few days if they don’t get fuel for the generators and note many hospitals now

rely completely on external catering companies for the hospitals food supplies delivered each day.

This of course will ensure no food or fuel is delivered either, where do you suppose the now

hungry thousands of gang members will go to find food, You saw how only a few hundred reacted

in August 2011 in Tottenham.

That’s just for starters, don’t expect any refuse collections, don’t think any but a few brave cops or

medics can get to work, Don’t expect the army to help much, most London garrisons have long

since been relocated far from London.

The hospitals and frozen food stores have back up power supplies as do SOME telephone

exchanges, but the amount of fuel stored varies between 4 and 7 days worth, what’s going to

happen if no fuel supplies arrive?

As for the three IIRC oil refineries in that areas all are utterly reliant on power supplies to operate

the crackers and distilleries, and of course the pumps that push the fuel from plant to truck.

Now after approximately 3 days the water in the cisterns and tanks will be running dry, toilets will

stop being flushed and that’s only part of the problem.

Back in the 1800s after the Great Stink of 1858 the authorities built a huge magnificent sewage

system to carry the city’s waste and effluents, rain and storm water to brand new treatment

stations to the east of London.

The system had shallow sloping sewers that ran to giant effluent holding tanks that could hold up

to 3 days of the city’s waste which was PUMPED to the treatment works then pumped

out to sea. Originally the pumps were huge great steam powered beam engine lifting pumps, but

these old machines were replaced by ELECTRIC MOTORS years later.

When new this system could carry the waste of the 3,188,000 Londoners of the 1850s to tanks

that would fill in 3 days, today London’s population is 7,753,000 plus a few hundred thousand

illegals. After the tanks are full if they are not treated and emptied the sewage will soon back up

along the entire shallow drop sewer network before eventually finding its way out into the streets

and cellars and find its way into the water table.

Oh yes let’s not forget London’s numerous tube and railway stations that are underground or

partially underground and below the water table, If the power goes off the pumps that keep these

soggy tunnels dry will stop and the stations and tunnels will flood.

(That makes me wonder where the millions of rodents like mice and rats will go to if

they are displaced from the sewers and tunnels)

Do you believe the police will go to work keeping the criminals and ethnic gangs in check and

leave their families at home alone in the dark? No I thought not.

Look at the effects on London after the riots in Tottenham erupted, looting, rioting, rapes, street

robberies, multiple cases of arson often resulting in entire clusters of properties being destroyed,

anarchy, vandalism, drunken hooliganism and the Metropolitan polices initial response for 3 days

was to WITHDRAW from those areas in order to protect their officers and not offend the ethnic

community further !!

It has been clearly established that the Urban prepper community is in general aware

of these issues and has contingency plans in place, but it does no harm to frequently

renew your “Risk Assessments” for your family / group.
 

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Just look at the Hurricane Katrina aftermath to see what would happen.
 

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would think that every major city without power would be "knee deep in shit" and you can't rely much on city officials for anything
 

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Aye, and it will only take one survivor to have poor hygiene protocols in such a city to start a typhus of cholera outbreak.
 

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A Look at London after 3 days

I just want to look at the hypothetical effects of a societal collapse on London if the

power went off completely for more than a few days.

Let’s start with the obvious

No Street Lights

No Traffic Lights

No Tube Trains

No Railways

No Telephones

No Cell-phone system

No Elevators

No Fridges or Freezers

No Petrol pumps (how many accidental fires caused by thefts of petrol from cars?)

No Shop lights or shop freezers

No Power to the homes

No Electronic door locks

No CCTV or Traffic Cameras

No ATMS or Cashpoints.

No mains powered radios, tv’s or game stations

No Air-con or heating

No 999 Service

No Street cleaning

No Hospitals after a few days if they don’t get fuel for the generators and note many hospitals now

rely completely on external catering companies for the hospitals food supplies delivered each day.

This of course will ensure no food or fuel is delivered either, where do you suppose the now

hungry thousands of gang members will go to find food, You saw how only a few hundred reacted

in August 2011 in Tottenham.

That’s just for starters, don’t expect any refuse collections, don’t think any but a few brave cops or

medics can get to work, Don’t expect the army to help much, most London garrisons have long

since been relocated far from London.

The hospitals and frozen food stores have back up power supplies as do SOME telephone

exchanges, but the amount of fuel stored varies between 4 and 7 days worth, what’s going to

happen if no fuel supplies arrive?

As for the three IIRC oil refineries in that areas all are utterly reliant on power supplies to operate

the crackers and distilleries, and of course the pumps that push the fuel from plant to truck.

Now after approximately 3 days the water in the cisterns and tanks will be running dry, toilets will

stop being flushed and that’s only part of the problem.

Back in the 1800s after the Great Stink of 1858 the authorities built a huge magnificent sewage

system to carry the city’s waste and effluents, rain and storm water to brand new treatment

stations to the east of London.

The system had shallow sloping sewers that ran to giant effluent holding tanks that could hold up

to 3 days of the city’s waste which was PUMPED to the treatment works then pumped

out to sea. Originally the pumps were huge great steam powered beam engine lifting pumps, but

these old machines were replaced by ELECTRIC MOTORS years later.

When new this system could carry the waste of the 3,188,000 Londoners of the 1850s to tanks

that would fill in 3 days, today London’s population is 7,753,000 plus a few hundred thousand

illegals. After the tanks are full if they are not treated and emptied the sewage will soon back up

along the entire shallow drop sewer network before eventually finding its way out into the streets

and cellars and find its way into the water table.

Oh yes let’s not forget London’s numerous tube and railway stations that are underground or

partially underground and below the water table, If the power goes off the pumps that keep these

soggy tunnels dry will stop and the stations and tunnels will flood.

(That makes me wonder where the millions of rodents like mice and rats will go to if

they are displaced from the sewers and tunnels)

Do you believe the police will go to work keeping the criminals and ethnic gangs in check and

leave their families at home alone in the dark? No I thought not.

Look at the effects on London after the riots in Tottenham erupted, looting, rioting, rapes, street

robberies, multiple cases of arson often resulting in entire clusters of properties being destroyed,

anarchy, vandalism, drunken hooliganism and the Metropolitan polices initial response for 3 days

was to WITHDRAW from those areas in order to protect their officers and not offend the ethnic

community further !!

It has been clearly established that the Urban prepper community is in general aware

of these issues and has contingency plans in place, but it does no harm to frequently

renew your “Risk Assessments” for your family / group.
This is the same scenario for every city in the developed world.
 

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And what do cities without power have in huge amounts that threaten preppers who got out of Dodge ?

Refugees, usually desperate refugees, often diseased refugees, frequently violent refugees, but worst of all STUPID refugees, the last group being the greatest threat to preppers. Every time you see cities devastated you pretty soon hear about outbreaks of this that and the other and you will inevitably find or come across some refugees shiting and bathing in a waterway only a few hundred yards upstream of other refugees taking water out to drink. Hell I have even seen such idiocy at Rock festivals were campers who have no access to hot water taking a dump in filthy portaloos then going to the burger van or making themselves something to eat without washing their hands.
 

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If the incident is isolated then my suggestion would be to make friends. I will of course explain. If the power goes out everywhere then my advice is useless however, if this just happens in London then there will be a lot of other places that are okay. The reason I say make friends is because they will be more useful to you than anything. For example, I have a large chunk of family who lives about 15 minutes from New Orleans. After Katrina there was pretty much zero access to any supplies. Plus going into the city was terrifying because the looters were so violent. But luckily for us we have friends who work in the trucking business so we were able to send them all the supplies they need to get by for awhile. Making friends and having someone looking out for you can be the most valuable thing if the power goes out for a few days. Have a system set up where someone will be able to help you resupply in an emergency and vice versa. My family had it easy compared to most simply because we were looking out for them and were able to get supplies to them.
 

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Friends are good advice. For any localized threat, you always have some place to go.
 

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A friend , in need , is a friend , indeed.....................................depends on where the commas are.
 

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Just inside of 3 days, the riots would start. This is when folks would run out of food and start looting (those that hadn't already started). Within a week, that's when all the sanitation issues would really catch up. The city would smell like crap and garbage. Potable water would be hard to find then, and after so many days, no faith that the power is coming back on.

Would be a truly terrifying time to be in the city (any city). Armed thug gangs would roam the streets, fighting each other and other survivors, for supplies (and people).
 

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