I don't plan on breaking into anyone's house, or take whats not mine. Your sure are quick to assume that, I come across locked gates by the forest service all the time, places maybe I would want to be in a crisis. So ya let the "flys" as you call them, which in it's self, in my opinion is pretty lame, that maybe it could be useful in a bad situation. Lets see you put your foot through a iron gate ! Whack it with your sledge hammer, that wont make any noise. Oh and after I pick that lock, I would probably through in the lock kill key. If I am in that situation, I am diffidently going to cover my rear, six, ass, whatever you want to call it.
well first where do we begin to answer this one. ah yes,
Colt if we are to continue to be friends you really must remove that chip from your shoulder. everything I say is not directed at you.
for instance you said.....(I don't plan on breaking into anyone's house, or take whats not mine. Your sure are quick to assume that.)
well here is the truth.
I would like to enter exibit #12 (or in this case post #12) by survivalist in which he says (but getting into buisness' and homes if needed would be easier by picking locks.)
You may notice the close proximity to the post in which you have taken personal, it being post 13. It would not be a far assumption by most that it was posted to him. It apears that he has taken it with a grain of salt, and no harm done. As he has been here many times since monday, and has not sent me a cussing private message LOL I doubt he will. Most adults can have a debate and not be offended.
The proof is in the fact that we have these great forums to share ideas, as well voice opinions no matter the difference between them.
I can respect the fact that you think me lame for mentioning "the flys" It does not bother me at all.
I have been in many Forums, and it is generally the generic term for those whom land on the walls and watch (read up all material without having to join to do it) If it would make ypou feel better I will gladly, just call them unregistered guest, just guests, for your benifit I will even be more political if you like and refer to them as, membership impaired individuals. Whatever it takes to avoid feelings being hurt.
The fact still remains that they
are part of this movement we have , and that thier opinions
are important to me. I was simply inviting them to join us, and tell me what they think. I still do.
Then you go into your new scenerio, Put my foot through a iron gate. nope cant do it. whack it with sledge, that would be overkill, noise yes, and unneeded. then you go on to pick the lock, enter, and break off key, to cover your rear
My opinion on senerio, and its just my opinion, I have a few thoughts.
I assume the whole property is surrounded by fence, thats why you are entering the gate. Or is it to drive a unnoticable vehicle through?
You must not plan to exit that way yourself, with that key broke off in it. Uh do you have a break off key to fit master, brinks, schlage, yale, etc...
your gonna need a janitors ring to tote that load
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but you got your rear covered good. Survivalist or someone just like us (sorry survivalist but had to use you, so it wouldnt just be me. colt is just a little personal about what I say) would come on through with our bolt cutters. Or..............
For the rest of our survivalist friends I will add that most forestry gates are just a metal post with a swing bar inserted over it so it will swivel, the opposing side is generally a single post with a chain welded onto it. there are usually a couple of locks on each one, any lock will open the entire thing. choose the easiest lock to cut, and you are in, (generally its just easier to cut the chain closest to the gate, Bypassing all locks. The reason for all the locks is that in most states many different people may need to enter the property, including (but not limited to) forestry, police, area fire dept, any existing relitives to any old family cemetarys, My grandmothers family cemetary is on the property of Pipestem state park in WV. I am in NC but even I have a key to the gate at the top of the mountain. Anyways, oh yeah covering your rear.
I have installed many of these gates, they are the same as for gas line access roads. post on each side, sometimes they have concrete around them (most dont on the locking side.) 1st try just shaking it and jerking it out, they are usually 3" pipe, 5' in length. NO, dont worry, your obviously trying to get vehicle through, so whats in almost all vehicles, spare tire, If you are out there to survive you should have some kind of strap in your vehicle. wrap strap 2 or more times around the bottom of post, roll sparetire up to post, bringing strap over the tire, hook to vehicle and pull.
the tire changes the angle of strap to a verticle pull instead of a horrizontal. (also great for removing bushes right now) concrete or not it will come out if you have anything bigger than a riding lawn mower. now simply let the gate hold up the weightof the post, just push it open.
Do not destroy or even enter unlocked gates, it is against the law. This information offered in case of life saving senerio, in which you still have to answer for your choices.
No car, just want to open the gate for your buddy in a wheelchair, so he dont have to walk in ditch to get around, no problem.
Take off your pants, get them wet in the ditch beside the road, place crotch on the post at ground, take legs (1 each side) and wrap back on croch area, find a rock about the size of your fist, break it on another bigger rock,
after-thought keep pants on while cracking rocks, then remove LOL no use in them little pieces in your legs (no rocks no problem, your in the desert, dig sand from around post with your hands.) take broken rock and cut/chop down a tree 3" round 10' long. tie the legs of the pants at about 2 foot from the end of pole.placing anything you can(rock, wood ) under the now short end of your lever, Now go to other end and lift. a 10' pole with pivot point at 2 feet, when lifted 6' in the air will have lifted about 1 ', even calculating the strech of pants, and bow of pole, you should have easily broken the friction between post and the ground holding it,( after all it is just 3" steel pipe, about 5.5 lbs per foot X 5 foot is less than 30 lbs, most posts are driven not dug, but even if they were most are dug with post hole diggers 7" hole, take away the post in center, 2' deep it has less than 25 lbs of concrete on it. Total average would be 60Lbs) if you cant remove it by hand now simply lenghten the distance on the short end of pole and it can be lifted out no problem. take break, push whole thing open, help your buddy continue.
