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well here we are the first step in the banning of the AR 15,,,,,,,

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/p...d-in-las-vegas-massacre/ar-BBJnGfk?li=BBnb7Kz

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump says he's signed a memo directing the Justice Department to propose regulations to "ban all devices" like bump stocks used in last year's Las Vegas massacre.

The president is making the announcement to curb the use of the rapid-fire devices during a ceremony recognizing bravery by the nation's public safety officers.

Trump is responding days after the shooting deaths of 17 people at a Florida high school. He's pointing to the need to propose regulations to ban the device that was used in the October shooting deaths of 58 people in Las Vegas.

White House officials say the president will be meeting with students, teachers and state and local officials to discuss ways of providing more school safety and address gun violence. Past efforts to address gun violence in Congress have failed.
 
I told all of you the bump stocks were going to go the way of the dodo bird
 
Other than for killing lots of people in a crowd I don’t see why anyone would want one. A terrible waste of ammo and loss of accuracy. I think they should be banned.
 
Brent S said:
Other than for killing lots of people in a crowd I don’t see why anyone would want one. A terrible waste of ammo and loss of accuracy. I think they should be banned.
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I have to 100% disagree... and I'm sure nobody is surprised. Read the words of the 2nd amendment. "A well armed militia." That is exactly why the bump stock should remain available.

And if we surrender on this point, what is next? And after that? Never surrender.
 
TexasFreedom said:
I have to 100% disagree... and I'm sure nobody is surprised. Read the words of the 2nd amendment. "A well armed militia." That is exactly why the bump stock should remain available.

And if we surrender on this point, what is next? And after that? Never surrender.
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I have to agree that they ban one item,they will not stop there,I doubt it will get to the point that they will go door to door but the sale of the AR 15 may one day be only the sale of what is already out on the streets,and it may well become a permitted weapon
 
Brent S said:
Other than for killing lots of people in a crowd I don’t see why anyone would want one. A terrible waste of ammo and loss of accuracy. I think they should be banned.
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There are many gun accessories that I don't particularly care for, but I would never want to ban anything. It's strictly a personal choice.
If a person doesn't trust himself to have a firearm that is capable of rapid fire, then by all means they shouldn't own one. But they don't need to be banned. Just where do you think this banning will stop? We all know that it won't.
 
Arcticdude said:
There are many gun accessories that I don't particularly care for, but I would never want to ban anything. It's strictly a personal choice.
If a person doesn't trust himself to have a firearm that is capable of rapid fire, then by all means they shouldn't own one. But they don't need to be banned. Just where do you think this banning will stop? We all know that it won't.
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I don’t see it becoming a total ban ever, as it is in the constitution. I don’t see a problem with some restrictions, and espechially better background checks though. I just saw a school on the news that spent 400k on security measures directly for a shooter scenario. I think it would be cheaper to do background checks than to spend that on every school in the nation. I am all in for armed staff at schools though. Purely volunteer, with training provided....
 
Brent,

"Naive". Look at England. Look at Australia. They 'interpret' words to mean what they want.
 
Brent S said:
Other than for killing lots of people in a crowd I don’t see why anyone would want one. A terrible waste of ammo and loss of accuracy. I think they should be banned.
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I agree with you.

Full-auto is a waste anyway. The vast majority of people could never use full-auto effectively, it's hard on the gun, it wastes ammo, it's unsafe for the shooter since it can cause cook-offs, if a squib round gets jammed in the barrel, the shooter won't have time to fix it before bullets get piled up behind it and burst the barrel...possibly killing the shooter.

And so on.

I'm glad they're being banned.
 
I also think that people are afraid that banning bump stocks may be interpreted as a first step in banning all guns.

I disagree, as this is called 'The Slippery Slope Fallacy', or sometimes the 'Excluded Middle' fallacy.

There are times and occasions when moderation is better than total abstinence and total immersion.

Two glasses of red wine a day will make you healthier than total abstinence, but drinking five bottles of wine a day will kill you from alcoholism, for example.

I see the situation with guns in a similar way. No gun regulations may turn everything into an apocalyptic, wild-west mess, while absolute regulations with no guns may turn us into a nanny state where we're dependant upon the government for everything.

Instead, there is a healthy middle ground that we need to explore and define.

I think that banning bump stocks is part of that healthy middle ground, and even if I may disagree with some of what those teens are trying to do with banning semiauto guns, I do admire and respect them.

I admire that they're getting off their asses and doing something positive rather than sitting back passively and complaining for the sake of complaining.
 
The 2nd Amendment has No Restriction that I read. Will we ban Baseball Bats ? Knives ? Fists ? they all kill more each year than AR15's do....How about we Ban Cars, Ladders, Bicycles, Motorcycles, Tree Stands, All buildings over 8 ft. high, Cranes, Dump trucks......how about PTR91 rifles ? are they not semi-auto high capacity death machines ? Ruger 10/22's, you can get 50 round drum magazines for them....maybe Ruger Mini 14's ? you can get 50 round drum magazines for them.....or how about we enforce the Laws already on the books ?
 
Those same kids did what in getting off their asses and making sure the right people knew the shooter was dangerous ? they did not speak loudly enough when they needed too and now they think everyone should listen....
 
drt4lfe said:
Those same kids did what in getting off their asses and making sure the right people knew the shooter was dangerous ? they did not speak loudly enough when they needed too and now they think everyone should listen....
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People contacted law enforcement multiple times, and said this guy was threatening a mass shooting and had an AR15.

The FBI admits that it fumbled the ball.

Please note that I said that I disagreed with what the survivors are doing by pushing for a ban on semiauto, but I still admire them for doing it. I can respect and admire someone that I disagree with, and it doesn't mean that I'm being a hypocrite.

They survived something that's utterly horrible, and I don't judge them because I'm not in their shoes.

And, just so you know, I am a gun owner and I do have semiautos.
 
Let me explain how liberals and conservatives thing:

Liberals: if a liberal is against something, or doesn't see a need for it, they want to ban it from anybody being able to have it or use it.

Conservatives: A true conservative lives as he/she sees fit. And if they agree or disagree with something, they think other people can do what they want within their own walls as long as someone else isn't hurt.

Examples:
1. Guns. Liberals hate them & want to ban everyone from having them and lock up anyone who disagrees. A Conservative whether they are for or against them recognize their place.

2. Gays. Liberals love them and want to force everyone to support it directly. Doesn't matter if it's a true "marriage license" or a baker that they force to bake a gay-wedding-cake. A Conservative is likely against the gay lifestyle, but is ok if they do it in their own home. But a Conservative isn't going to abuse "marriage" by calling a gay union the same thing. It isn't. You can call it something else. But a Conservative doesn't want to lock up gays because of their choices.

Think about this.
 
TexasFreedom said:
Let me explain how liberals and conservatives thing:

Liberals: if a liberal is against something, or doesn't see a need for it, they want to ban it from anybody being able to have it or use it.

Conservatives: A true conservative lives as he/she sees fit. And if they agree or disagree with something, they think other people can do what they want within their own walls as long as someone else isn't hurt.

Examples:
1. Guns. Liberals hate them & want to ban everyone from having them and lock up anyone who disagrees. A Conservative whether they are for or against them recognize their place.

2. Gays. Liberals love them and want to force everyone to support it directly. Doesn't matter if it's a true "marriage license" or a baker that they force to bake a gay-wedding-cake. A Conservative is likely against the gay lifestyle, but is ok if they do it in their own home. But a Conservative isn't going to abuse "marriage" by calling a gay union the same thing. It isn't. You can call it something else. But a Conservative doesn't want to lock up gays because of their choices.

Think about this.
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I agree with some (but not all) of what you've said.

There are extreme conservatives and moderate conservatives, and extreme liberals and moderate liberals.

All I'm advocating for is moderation. I equate an extreme position as a kissing cousin to fanaticism.

I probably fall in a reasonable middle when it comes to a lot of issues.

I tend to be an environmentalist because (here in Florida) I've seen how the coral reefs, wetlands, etc. have been destroyed over the past 30 years.

I support gun ownership (I have a CCW), but I don't support bump stocks, and I think law enforcement should crack down on ghost sales.

I think that the government should crack down on drug traffic, but I think reefer should be legalized.

I don't believe in socialized medicine, but I think it's very bad that crazy people have access to guns, yet they don't have access to healthcare.

And so on.

All I've said is that I'm a moderate, and I think a healthy middle ground is better than an extreme.

This doesn't mean that I'm a spineless jellyfish who doesn't want to take a stand--I believe in healthy compromise as an alternative to fanaticism.

After all, if I really believe in my position...then how does listening to a different point of view with an open mind really threaten me?
 
I can see both sides here...on one side, give em an inch, they take a mile, on the other, there really only is ONE purpose for a bump stock anyhow.

Personally, I think it's a prudent concession, as long as it curtails any further intrusion on rights.

Of course, by 2024, I expect this will all be a moot point, as by then, there would have been more than enough of these incidents to all but ban firearms completely.
 
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Gazrok said:
I can see both sides here...on one side, give em an inch, they take a mile, on the other, there really only is ONE purpose for a bump stock anyhow.

Personally, I think it's a prudent concession, as long as it curtails any further intrusion on rights.

Of course, by 2024, I expect this will all be a moot point, as by then, there would have been more than enough of these incidents to all but ban firearms completely.
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Thank you.

I disagree that there will be a total ban, however, if only because of the money involved.

The NRA is, politically, an 800 pound gorilla. Also, the gun industry in the U.S. is a multibillion dollar portion of our economy.

Tobbacco should have been banned decades ago, but money talks and politicians are whores.
 
Here's how it will happen. The NRA will be no match for a completely pissed off populace of moms and dads. Even politicians normally in their pocket will find themselves unelectable if they don't bend.

As concessions, more and more legislation is passed. To restrict things like weapon types, ammo capacity, and even more subtle legislation that impacts the supply line for gun manufacturers.

This will cause another crunch on ammo supply, as many stock up, and the factories need to retool to channel production into "allowed" items. This and further legislation drives all but the big manufacturers out of the business.

Meanwhile, small gun shops, unable to keep stock, pay rent, etc. fold.

The big manufacturers that still have military contracts, are the ones still existing. Meanwhile, they scale down on private weapons manufacturing.

These steps will APPEAR to work, as they (the ones behind this) scale down the incidents. Eventually, a complete ban is really only an afterthought, because by 2022, it would be virtually impossible to buy a gun or ammo for it anyhow.

Now, I WANT to be WRONG, I really do...but we'll see. I wanted to be wrong in November too, when I said an incident like this would happen at LEAST once a month. So far, they are not proving me wrong, sadly.
 
Tobacco and Alcohol can't be banned, as we learned during Prohibition. It's the same reason Marijuana will be legalized. a) it will just spawn a huge black market and organized crime, and b) it's better for Uncle Sam if taxed and regulated.

Guns are different, because if the manufacturers are put out of business, it's going to have a much smaller black market. Of course, they will be sold via such means though...but at a far greater risk than rum runners faced.
 
Gaz ,,,you are about as far out in left field as one can get,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
Gaz, I can't 100% disagree with your points, but I don't see guns going away.

Then again, I never thought gay marriage would gain traction...yet it's legitimized everywhere in the country, and public opinion changed very quickly in a short amount of time.

So, maybe you're right.

P.S. I'm sure everyone will judge me for this, but I support gay marriage.
 
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The bump-stock I'm not a fan of but we shouldn't outright ban it, at worst they should have done was just making it an NFA item but banning it is nothing more than politics, nothing more nothing less, whats next, the Apex trigger system because it makes it easier to stay on target? It's not that they are eliminating the 2nd Amendment it's that they are redefining it one chip at a time since 1934.
 
P.S. I'm sure everyone will judge me for this, but I support gay marriage.
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Why shouldn't they have the equal right to be miserable? :D

I support it. My mother in law was gay (well, obviously not always, lol).... When she died (before gay marriage was legal), her partner of over two decades really didn't have much of a say in things without going through her daughter (i.e. my wife). Lucky for her, we're not those kind of people.

We basically could have divested her of everything if we wanted to, and made all the decisions, etc. But we aren't like that. The fact that we could though....man...I just think of folks who have kids who ARE NOT understanding, and would have put her partner on the street for some money.

It was kind of ridiculous. That experience actually convinced me of the need. Before that, I was like, why do they care?
 
Gay marriage only affects gay people. Why would anyone care what someone else does with their own lives. If someone was saying I had to be gay, then I would be pissed, but what others do in their personal lives should be their own business.
I think all fanatics are dangerous, both right and left. Most here have common sense and respect others rights. For the few that want to push their values on everyone else I really have no respect.
 
man this thread just taken a weird twist,,,,,as for gay marriage it's wrong,the purpose of marriage is reproduction and a gay couple can't,,,,,,,,,,,,,and I don't like the crap being shoved in my face,and that is exactly what is going on,,people do not want to hear about two gay guys,or women,we all know what they are doing and the thought is enough to make me sick,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you guys want to condone it fine but there is a large part of this Nation that is disgusted by it
 
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