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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...devastated-Bahamas-wake-Hurricane-Dorian.html

The death toll from devastating Hurricane Dorian will be 'staggering' with thousands still missing, officials have warned amid reports looters are 'trying to shoot people' in the scramble for food and water.

Up to 70,000 are in need of 'life-saving assistance' while Great Abaco is said to be virtually uninhabitable, with bodies piled up and witnesses say there is a 'smell of death' with corpses floating in the water.

While the official death toll stands at 30, that number is expected to rise and hundreds of body bags have been ordered along with extra freezers.

A massive international relief effort was ramped up today as survivors revealed horrifying details of the 'apocalyptic' aftermath of the 185mph, Category-5 storm which hit the islands five days ago.

One survivor, Alicia Cooke, broke down in tears as she revealed: 'Everything is gone, people are starting to panic. Pillaging, looting, trying to shoot people for food and water. It's just no way everyone's going to get out.'

'No homes. No banks. No gas stations. No hardware stores. Everything is gone,' she added, as others said they feared the spread of disease.

Hundreds have gathered hoping to be evacuated today, but efforts have been complicated by flooded runways at Grand Bahama International Airport.

The British Government has pledged £1.5 million to help deliver aid, saying it is estimated that several hundred British nationals live in the worst affected areas of the Bahamas.

The Foreign Office said it is working to establish how badly they have been affected and deploying staff and members of the British Red Cross for 'emotional and practical support'.

A Royal Navy helicopter rescued three children, and a British person who was trapped beneath rubble for several days after the hurricane.

The Wildcat helicopter, operating from Royal Fleet Auxiliary ship Mounts Bay - which has been stationed in the Caribbean since June in readiness for hurricane season, was flying over Great Abaco Island to assess the damage when its crew were called to rescue a casualty from Elbow Cay.

The crew pulled the person from the rubble and took them back to Mounts Bay to be given emergency medication before being airlifted to the capital Nassau.

The Royal Navy said that the Wildcat also rescued a woman, her two children and a baby, and took them to Nassau.

Addressing fears the death toll from the disaster will climb, Health Minister Duane Sands warned: 'Let me say that I believe the number will be staggering.'

Some locals called the government's initial official death toll a tragic underestimate.

Hundreds of desperate survivors gathered at the port in Great Abaco on Friday, hoping to get off the hurricane-devastated island, amid signs of rising frustration over the pace of the disaster-relief effort.

'It's chaos here,' said Gee Rolle, a 44-year-old construction worker who waited with his wife for a boat that could take them to the capital, Nassau.

'The government is trying their best, but at the same time, I don't think they're doing a good enough job to evacuate the people. It ain't liveable for nobody. Only animals can live here.'

There were no government-organised evacuations yet, but the Royal Bahamas Defence Force helped people board a 139ft ferry that had come to pick up its employees and had room for an additional 160 people.

The crowd waited calmly as marines separated women and children to let them board first.

Also, a barge that had dropped off portable toilets and heavy equipment in Abaco took some 300 people to Nassau.

Prime minister Hubert Minnis spoke to the crowd at the port, using a Creole interpreter for a group of Haitians awaiting evacuation, and assured them: "All of you will be treated with respect."

The Bahamian health ministry said helicopters and boats were on the way, but officials warned of delays because of severe flooding.

'You smell the decomposing bodies as you walk through Marsh Harbour,' said Sandra Sweeting, 37, in an interview amid the wreckage on Great Abaco. 'It's everywhere. There are a lot of people who aren't going to make it off this island.'

'I work part-time in a funeral home, I know what death smells like,' said Anthony Thompson, 27. 'There must be hundreds. Hundreds.'

Extra security has been deployed with witnesses seeing residents breaking into liquor stores and supermarkets, carrying off goods in bags or filling their vehicles. Local militias have been formed to clamp down on the widespread looting.

The Minister of National Security was deployed to Abaco yesterday to establish order amid reports of looting. The island has been rendered uninhabitable by the storm.

The storm struck the island chain as a catastrophic Category 5 hurricane on Sunday and stalled over Abaco and Grand Bahama for the following two days as 185mph winds and torrential rains ravaged countless communities.

There is not yet a government evacuation effort but Royal Navy ships and the Royal Bahamas Defence Force have offered a few spaces on some of their ships.

Hundreds of people have turned up at the docks carrying bits of scavenged possessions in duffel bags piled in shopping carts.

'It's going to get crazy soon,' said Serge Simon, 39, who drives an ice truck and was waiting with his wife and two sons, aged five months old and four, at the port. 'There's no food, no water. There are bodies in the water. People are going to start getting sick.

A few hundred people sat at the partly flooded Leonard M. Thompson airport on Abaco island Thursday as small planes picked up the most vulnerable survivors, including the sick and the elderly.

The evacuation was slow and there was frustration for some who said they had nowhere to go after the Category five hurricane splintered whole neighborhoods.

'They told us that the babies, the pregnant people and the elderly people were supposed to be first preference,' said Lukya Thompson, a 23-year-old bartender. But many were still waiting, she said.
 
This is what I've been saying for a week.

It seems every new major hurricane teaches us yet another lesson. For Bahamas, it was the worst combination imaginable. 200 mph winds and a stationary storm. A tornado has those winds and last for a minute or two. The people of Bahamas endured 3 days of those force winds with both falling and rising waters while living in weak sheds.

I'm certain the storm itself killed 100's. But as mentioned here, after it stops, it gets worse. The dead people and animals contaminate everything. Survivors have no food/water/shelter/medical care. How long can they survive?
 
Declare the island a bird sanctuary and evac all the people. Never to rebuild there again. Crazy is repeating the same process and expecting different results. There have been hurricanes in the past and there will be more in the future. Move them out and then stay out.
 
Declare the island a bird sanctuary and evac all the people. Never to rebuild there again. Crazy is repeating the same process and expecting different results. There have been hurricanes in the past and there will be more in the future. Move them out and then stay out.
To where? And would you feel the same if someone told you you couldn’t rebuild where you are? I’m not sure of the number of displaced people but am sure it’s pretty high. I don’t think any country is lining up to take them.
 
To where? And would you feel the same if someone told you you couldn’t rebuild where you are? I’m not sure of the number of displaced people but am sure it’s pretty high. I don’t think any country is lining up to take them.

Nobody would have to tell me I could not live there again. Fool me once Mother Nature, shame on you, f00l me twice, then I am stupid. Their problem. They can't build to survive , then they should not build there. SIASD
 
Some have already come here to Columbus.
I’m sure the majority will end up coming here to the states. The fact is though that we are in debt up to our eyeballs here and can’t afford to continue taking care of who we allready have here. No easy answers, but not helping isn’t an option either. Some of the islands are almost a sandbar now, no way to support people for a long time to come. All I know for sure is I’m glad I believe in prepping. It won’t save you from everything but sure does increase your odds.
 
Brent,

UP had the right answer. Only an idiot would go back after that disaster. Sure, it might be 50 years before it happens again. Or it could be next week. Sorry.

And BTW, it happens here all the time. A house is next to a river that floods and is destroyed. The county doesn't allow them to rebuild unless they make the new one in a way that won't be damaged.

BTW, has anyone seen anything that shows how much soil has been eroded and made land now 'ocean'? I saw pictures from a day or two after the storm showing 80% of the land was either gone or still 'flooded'. Being that the highest point on both islands before the storm was only 40 ft above sea level, it wouldn't take much for the ocean to reclaim all of it. Laughing, I can see environmental wackos screaming how the Caribbean is rising and the Bahamas are sinking into the ocean! Such idiots...
 
To where? And would you feel the same if someone told you you couldn’t rebuild where you are? I’m not sure of the number of displaced people but am sure it’s pretty high. I don’t think any country is lining up to take them.

Would you want them? I doubt if they could find anywhere to go....
 
Would you want them? I doubt if they could find anywhere to go....
We are allowing many in now. I don’t see us taking all of them in though. It’s a mess there and the government is overwhelmed. Right now there is a lot of aid being given but in five months when it isn’t sensational any more and the news media isn’t covering it much there will be a lot of suffering continuing.
 
We are allowing many in now. I don’t see us taking all of them in though. It’s a mess there and the government is overwhelmed. Right now there is a lot of aid being given but in five months when it isn’t sensational any more and the news media isn’t covering it much there will be a lot of suffering continuing.

Typical democrat view. Once on gov't handouts, always on gov't handouts. Yeah, I get it, the 'need' won't go away next week. But at some point they have to take care of themselves. 5 months is much to far out for a foreign country to still be helping. By then the gov't of Bahamas needs to be managing things.

Our federal 'help' (forced charity ffrom taxpayers) should be limited to immediate medical and food and shelter needs. In a month our gov't should be pulled out. At that point private charities and Bahama gov't should take over. If it doesn't, that should say plenty about the people and gov't of that region.
 
They have hurricanes all the time, but this time the damage was on a catastrophic level. I think they need some place move people just so they can start cleaning up the mess. I also think that they should employ every able man and woman for the clean up. If they are given money as part of hurricane relief ( by the US or other countries) they should use that money to pay their people to work. If your a accountant in the Bahamas right now, you probably don’t have a job. You could support your family and get your country back on your feet by helping out with the clean up process.
Too many times we just go in and fix it.

I also think it is good for the US to be proactive and send aid and get things back to normal. If we don’t other countries that we are not friendly with may offer to help.
 
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People have wonderful hearts but there is a difference between 'Fixing it" and "mitigating " the problem. The problem is hurricanes. Fixing it requires the country (islands) to require the reconstruction to be Hurricane proof. Mitigating the problem is simply allowing a clean up and then reconstruction in the same fashion as before.

The people can be relocated to other islands or temp camps can be set up but under no circumstances should they be allowed to relocate to America, because once here, they will never leave. Just like the Haitians. Name any time we have allowed refugees to come here and then they voluntarily left?
 
This is worse than Puerto Rico after Maria, and Bahamas is an independent country so the people have no where to go - at least Puerto Ricans can always come to the continental US. Dorian was one of the strongest Atlantic hurricanes on record and 2-3 days of that? It's unimaginable and the devastation is complete. The Bahamas make their money from tourism and who wants to go to a place destroyed by a hurricane? At least they do have a certain amount of capital derived from tourism which they can put into repairing the areas where tourists go, so they can maintain their income and hopefully rebuild.
 
This was unprecedented destruction. I think they need help and I don’t have a problem with some aid. I’m not a religious person, but I seem to remember the Bible teaching about helping others. I hope the ones here never are faced with a total loss like these people have. I also hope if they do that others will show more compassion.
 
This was unprecedented destruction. I think they need help and I don’t have a problem with some aid. I’m not a religious person, but I seem to remember the Bible teaching about helping others. I hope the ones here never are faced with a total loss like these people have. I also hope if they do that others will show more compassion.
I will certainly be contributing to relief efforts, though unfortunately my current employment situation will not allow me to go help myself. As a Christian myself, I believe that we should help our fellow humans, although I don't agree that it's the government's place to force anyone to do so (via taxes being used to fund relief efforts). I will however put my money where my mouth is and donate to organizations that are helping in the Bahamas.
 

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