lock kill

[Clyde]

Thats interesting concept............for the moment I am almost speechless.
Give me a while to ponder semi-honest people.
I will take a jacuzzi, while trying to figure out just what kind of cat would not just be detered with a locked door, but would have what he needs to pick it, but just has too much respect for your stuff to put his shoulder or foot into it.

At this time I reserve the right to rereply to this message at any time in the future, on this or any other post where it may be detremental to make a point of the art of thinking. (or lack of) I also reserve the right to change my mind, at this point or any other and agree that that is just a damn good idea that has brought to our attention.(though at this time I am unwilling and unable to do so) **All things said by me are of my opinion only and should have no physical nor phychological effect on others**, though some of my opinions have a tendancy to mentally pop peoples fingers around my neck.

I guess I lied I wasnt that speechless LOL
I also dont need that long to think about it.


Hey I am just man enough to agree to disagree about this one.

I guess I should redefine semi-honest "opportunist." I agree after reflecting what is "semi-honest!"
I know desperation will cause people to act in ways they normally wouldn't.

I also like your "disclaimer!"

 

[TraderB]

Maybe in the case of a steel security door, but in a home? Many won't be carrying a lock pick set, they'll just boot it if they want in.

 

[Maverick]

I like this, I can see were this would be useful in certain circumstances, delay tactic forcing the BG to spend additional time in one location etc..

 

[TraderB]

I like this, I can see were this would be useful in certain circumstances, delay tactic forcing the BG to spend additional time in one location etc..

The only way I see this as useful is on a high security door, that can't be shouldered or kicked open. Otherwise it wouldn't really be any use. If it's YOUR door, the BG wouldn't have a key and would kick it open anyway...if it was HIS door, it would only take a few extra seconds to figure out the lock was FUBAR and kick it open.

I'm not arguing, I'm just looking for why it's a good thing, and what circumstances you can see it being used for.

 

[Maverick]

The only way I see this as useful is on a high security door, that can't be shouldered or kicked open. Otherwise it wouldn't really be any use. If it's YOUR door, the BG wouldn't have a key and would kick it open anyway...if it was HIS door, it would only take a few extra seconds to figure out the lock was FUBAR and kick it open.

I'm not arguing, I'm just looking for why it's a good thing, and what circumstances you can see it being used for.

A secured/semi-secured door is what I was thinking, if it causes one to pause, think and or obtain additional resources to get through the door then the 'lock-kill' done it's job, anything that makes it difficult or grants me enough time to put distance between me and them served it's purpose.

 

[TheShadowKnows]

I'm with TraderB on this one but I guess it really depends on the kinds of doors you have at your setup. Me, I've got a crummy old house with more access points than you can shake a machete at and if we tried to reinforce them all, the walls probably wouldn't be too hard to get through. Most people are going to try and kick/shoulder down a door instead of pick it anyway. I certainly don't have a pick set, much less any knowledge at all on how to use one.

 

[Maverick]

like any other tool in a shtf, it's situational

 

[Maverick]

...also, someone kicking the door in is certainly louder then using a lock pick, I'd rather them come in noisy then silently

 

[TheShadowKnows]

...also, someone kicking the door in is certainly louder then using a lock pick, I'd rather them come in noisy then silently

Very good point.

 

[Gazrok]

The only way I see this as useful is on a high security door, that can't be shouldered or kicked open. Otherwise it wouldn't really be any use. If it's YOUR door, the BG wouldn't have a key and would kick it open anyway...if it was HIS door, it would only take a few extra seconds to figure out the lock was FUBAR and kick it open.

Fair point. Personally, I use kick plates and top/bottom pin locks for exterior doors. Replaced the interior door handles with exterior, locking ones too. (previously, I could open the bedroom doors with a steak knife and about 2 seconds of time).

That said, I can't think where I'd actually want to use such a key. Even if I had to abandon my bug in location, I'd eventually want to come back (and have a functioning lock). And the chances of them changing the lock (where from?) are pretty slim, so it gives me a way back in.

Maybe in the case of a steel security door, but in a home? Many won't be carrying a lock pick set, they'll just boot it if they want in.

Lock picks or not, that's why some good old fashioned slide bolts are handy. I only use them when we're home, and then after dark, when we shut and lock the main gate (unless expecting company after dark). Even if they pick the deadbolt and doorknob, they still have the equivalent of 2 deadbolts they can't get to from outside. (and the shop door is a metal security door, good luck with that one!) Nothing is perfect of course, but should really cost an intruder some time (and involve a lot of noise). Enough to get the dogs stirred up, and for me to grab a shotgun.

 

[Maverick]

Though that's if one in their own home and prepared the home/door in advance, if one is in an unfamiliar home with several doors then disabling the locks in this fashion wouldn't hurt especially in a 'need to be quiet' situation like no hammering.

 

[Gazrok]

Though that's if one in their own home and prepared the home/door in advance, if one is in an unfamiliar home with several doors then disabling the locks in this fashion wouldn't hurt especially in a 'need to be quiet' situation like no hammering.

That's a pretty good scenario.