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The point is the government is doing the "Chicken Little" routine and the sky has not fallen but is not doing anything else either. They demand more money as an incentive for people to change their ways but offer nothing in return. Yes many folks are doing their bit but they don't try to force their neighbors to pay for it. The businesses will join the band wagon when there are enough customers. When the governments stops funding non-essential programs and starts focusing on alternate fuel conversions, then I will start to believe them. Until that point, it is all just money raising B.S.
 
Urbanprep said:
The point is the government is doing the "Chicken Little" routine and the sky has not fallen but is not doing anything else either. They demand more money as an incentive for people to change their ways but offer nothing in return. Yes many folks are doing their bit but they don't try to force their neighbors to pay for it. The businesses will join the band wagon when there are enough customers. When the governments stops funding non-essential programs and starts focusing on alternate fuel conversions, then I will start to believe them. Until that point, it is all just money raising B.S.
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It really isn't the governments (tax payers) job the come up with alternative fuels. When and if there is a need, and at a reasonable cost, then someone in the private sector will develop the next great fuel. But really, why bother at this time when we already have an abundant source of clean reliable fuel that will last at least a thousand more years based on today's known reserves?
 
I know in the UK the majority of oil is imported so its not really an issue here, once SHTF the imports will stop anyway.
some North Sea oil is still available, but over half of that has already been extracted, and a lot of the oil rigs have already been mothballed.
 
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Arcticdude said:
It really isn't the governments (tax payers) job the come up with alternative fuels. When and if there is a need, and at a reasonable cost, then someone in the private sector will develop the next great fuel. But really, why bother at this time when we already have an abundant source of clean reliable fuel that will last at least a thousand more years based on today's known reserves?
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Clean?
 
Arcticdude said:
Absolutely. Modern fuels, processing and extraction methods have never been cleaner. And getting cleaner every day. But nothing is without emissions. Even a horse emits methane gas.
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That's a good point. But I think it's about making sure the environment can handle the level of emissions without causing climate changes that will be dangerous to the future of life on earth, and that's where a lot of the debate comes in to the picture. Some would say that there is a significant difference between the methane produced by a horse and the emissions produced in the process of refining and burning fossil fuels, when it comes to the impact on the environment. Personally, I don't think we should all stop driving cars, but I do support efforts towards solar power and other clean/renewable energy sources with minimal environmental impact, and I am glad they are becoming more popular and more affordable.
 
bigpaul said:
you'll have to when the filling stations are empty and the power is down!:p
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By that time he will have traded it in for an electric truck and will just blast by the walking folks. The market for electric trucks is growing and there are many companies jumping into it. The problem now it the price point. They are all decked out in the latest gizmo technology and plush interiors. Once the do away with all the fluff, then the prices drop and they will become affordable. With california now mandating all new homes have to have solar systems, the sales potential for electric vehicles just dramatically increased.
 
bigpaul said:
you'll have to when the filling stations are empty and the power is down!:p
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I have enough fuel for over a year, power down any longer than that or world ran dry of oil then I figure we’ll all be in the same boat :)

The trucks is what helps keep the property sustainment running as it does.
 
Maverick said:
I have enough fuel for over a year, power down any longer than that or world ran dry of oil then I figure we’ll all be in the same boat :)

The trucks is what helps keep the property sustainment running as it does.
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I can store enough fuel for a few months, after that I don't reckon i'll be going very far so lack of fuel wont be an issue.
 
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