no way you can carry enough to keep going long, especially not in winter, especially not with hostiles about. There's gotta be a dugout shelter and empty drums already buried, Night one of SHTF will have to be spent moving the short term, high cost stuff to the empty drums. Buried food is problematic. animals dig at it, revealing it to humans, who WILL steal it. . However, you need so much food to get thru a year, that you'll simply have to bury the grain and legumes. I'd not be trying to make more than one trip from the storage unit to the drums, and not try to move more than 150 lbs, even walking alongside of a bicycle, So that's the criso, honey, some of the salt (more in the grain-drums, it's so low cost) the multivitamin and mineral tabs, the fish antibiotics, the Tang, PB, instant oatmeal, deer-jerky, and powdered milk. Still gonna have to pop a couple of calves, a week apart and jerk the meat, as well as steal some 100 lb bags of grain. Along with some sprouts, non-hibrate seeds, snaring or quietly shooting some dogs and cats, that might get you thru until you can plant some root veggies.
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the problem I have with caches is that unless it on our own land we have no control over it.
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Hmm. . . You may need to rethink some of your strategies here. "Pop off a couple calves a week apart and jerk the meat". Seems to me that maybe you need to have meat stored already so when the time comes you can make jerky out of your own goods. I realize in that type of situation times will be different, but don't be surprised if a pop is shot your way. But I am hoping those calves are yours already and you are storing on the hoof. . . Along with the cats and dogs.
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Storing caches is a good idea but it has it's limitation, even doing it on Federal land (wild land) is not a guarantee of success, fires/slides/floods have a way of changing the scenery/terrain making it next to impossible to locate, get to or dig out. It's not uncommon to have fires expose peoples emergency cache on public land and would never do it on private land that isn't yours.
I am not bugging out so fishing gear and a 22 rifle will go a long ways to keeping one fed,,for me a well stocked root cellar is the ticket,,ammo is about the only thing I may cache,,
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long bow and arrows for me, keep it silent.
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I'm putting in a root cellar. That's about as close to a cache that I'm going to get. I'm not bugging out so there's no reason for me to cache anything.
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yep, same here, most UK preppers think I've bugged out already because of where I live, some sheeple have called my location "the middle of nowhere" .
There are a few reasons to cache if your bugging in. What about if your home is occupied temporarily by an enemy? What about a fire destroying whats in your house or building? Having a hidden safe cache of supplies is still good to have.
well if things go as I suspect they will,it will be a long time until I am found,,,the population reduced by 75% or more,,,,,who's going to be around to look
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I have small caches in areas I normally hunt or in paths on the way to the cabin but the cabin has supplies for a winter stay and can be built up but because of my location natural disasters can prevent us from accessing the caches and cabin thus I focus on our home base.
I hear ya GG, but a natural disaster can always find you, and destroy your supplies...
You should not put all your prep supplies in the same place. I only have one buried cache, but I have food and redundant equipment in different parts of the house and in other buildings, some in sight and some hidden.
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I've heard that comment many times before, and they must mean somewhere else. Because when l look around from where I'm sitting right now, I see several mountain ranges, some still covered covered in snow. And all are covered in miles and miles of thick forest. I look off to my left and I can see my cattle grazing in lush grass as tall as their backs. We have lakes, streams and rivers full of fish, and water clean enough to drink out of. Game just on my property includes; deer, elk, bear, grouse, turkey, quail and rabbits and squrril. There's also no place on my property where I can see another house or person.
To my way of thinking the city's are truly in the "middle of nowhere".
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that's the way I feel too, even a normal winter storm can and does leave my county isolated from the rest of the country.
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Good for you.
I've just moved to a spot that I'm told is the middle of nowhere... By my standards it's still pretty built up, it's about a mile and a half outside a small rural village, but I have 5 neighbours.
I'd love to be more remote but when we were looking cost was prohibitive.
My parent's place on the other hand is about as remote as you can get in Southern England. Remote enough that I shot my first Muntjac out of their living room window and my school friends used to come over to shoot Rabbits off our garage roof.
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I am an urban prepper and I do have to disagree with Whoeee. If you are in an urban environment, then your are going to have to tough it out on what you have at your location. After the first 3 days, I expect anybody moving around outdoors is going to get attacked or shot at or both. Getting burned out or chased out, is a strong possibility but the chance of escaping to a buried cache, is slim and none. Urban prep is going to be Gray man , community MAG and good luck. That does not mean that prepping is a waste, it most certainly is not, it is vital. If I can disappear behind my locked door and not be seen, then I stand a better chance than my neighbor out looking for food. For urban folks, the situation is going to weed itself out very quickly. No Water =dead. Drinking dirty water = dead. Gang violence = dead. Those are the dead in the first week. Now add the food shortage and by the 5th. week you will have massive dead. So by the 12th week all the diseases kick in. What I am saying is you need 6 month of prepping supplies and every place, even a studio apartment can store that amount. Now after the major doo-doo has hit the fan and the the unprepared have died off, the urban prepper will have a chance. Form community MAG from other survivors. Find and settle down in or around parks or other areas with water features (lake, pond, etc.). Now it won't be easy and will certainly contain numerous risks but I still think it will be a lot better than trying to move from cache to cache and then hoofing it out to some rural area.
The choices for an urban prepper and a rural prepper are worlds apart. The rural prepper starts out with the advantage of food and immediate supplies. The urban prepper will have the advantage of a much greater and longer lasting supply list. Once the outlaw types have been terminated, then the urban prepper is going to be much better situated. Grid may be down but the urban prepper has over a million car batteries to choose from. Each condition and location (rural & urban) will survive. The population will be reduced drastically but folks will survive in each area. The trick is to be one of the survivors. JM2C
The choices for an urban prepper and a rural prepper are worlds apart. The rural prepper starts out with the advantage of food and immediate supplies. The urban prepper will have the advantage of a much greater and longer lasting supply list. Once the outlaw types have been terminated, then the urban prepper is going to be much better situated. Grid may be down but the urban prepper has over a million car batteries to choose from. Each condition and location (rural & urban) will survive. The population will be reduced drastically but folks will survive in each area. The trick is to be one of the survivors. JM2C
Squirtgunsquirter
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So, you are doing this? It's not easy to form MAGS.
I am urban, I have 2 caches on the foot route to the BOL. Food for me and the family, and the dog. That's all, just a few 5 gallon buckets.
When I joined the military, I cached a few things I wasn't comfortable leaving with anyone.
4 plus years later, it was still there, in a state park, buried a few feet from a path. Safe and sound.
I agree with you on the post SHTF urban environment. Leave immediately, or hunker down effectively.
tmttactical
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@Squirtgunsquirter I have to agree it is not only difficult but almost impossible to form a MAG pre-SHTF. Too many will talk the talk and not enough will make the walk. The community MAG would be formed from the survivors after the SHTF event has moved into rebuild / barter phase. These are the folks that were smart enough and of course lucky enough to have survived. If you are physically able and financially able to walk to your prepared BOL, outstanding. But in my case, you are talking about walking hundreds of miles through desert and mountain, while being a physically impaired and age hampered senior citizen. So it is not an option for me. Stack it and store it on the route out of town, you bet. Like you said, either leave immediately or be prepared to hunker down. Jumping from one city stored cache to another city stored cache is not a real good idea in my mind. Move from neighborhood to neighborhood to retrieve a cache, I don't think so. JM2C
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You don't read as old.
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