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[Hades]

yes fordrocks, the link I put up says the same thing. Noone can take your guns in a disaster. this I agree on.
Paper all looks good dont it. We need those papers to calm the masses, but its all sleight of hand. Watch what we guarantee you on this hand, so you dont see the prepreation of the other.
What I am trying to explain is they have covered themselves from the backdoor as well. They dont want all of us knowing it but its there.
before we jump into bed with the 2nd ammendment, first lets have some foreplay. To establish a president of how much the constitution means to lawmakers, then we can travel farther up the road to guns. It will be a leading tell, if they can take one constitutional right, they can take the other is it not.

You know the law very well, so let me ask you this. Can American citizens be denied habius corpus for any reason?, another constitutional right.

 

[Fordrocks1986]

Yes they can if the are deemed to be a suspected of terrorism which I think that's bs but only the president can do that

 

[Hades]

I agree its bs, but the fact remains they can do it.
Very good, now we have publicly agreed that civilians constitutional rights can legally be taken with laws on the books.
At this point, just for fun I will deviate from the main stream of our second ammendment, and establish my case slowly, as this is the same way we loose our rights, lol
So I simply ask my next question.
Has the US Congress given the right to the president to use military, including national guards, to enter a state with or without the govenors permission, IF
1) The President may employ the armed forces including the National Guard in Federal service, to
(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that--
(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and
(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2);
OR
(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).
(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that--
(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection;
OR
(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.
(b) NOTICE TO CONGRESS.
The President shall notify Congress of the determination to exercise the authority as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days thereafter during the duration of the exercise of the authority.

Before I continue, Would you agree the president has this authority as well?

 

[Fordrocks1986]

That is also true but that's also bs you do realize there is only about 3million armed forces and over 100 million gun owners so you tell me how they will take everyone's guns its Impossible

 

[Hades]

ok we have now established the presidential powers so far, lets continue down the rabbit hole. The numbers of firearms in America is not a issue when they are taken 1 house at a time.
Here is a scenerio for you.
with 1 uprising, even if its made on purpose.
with 1 stroke of the pen, we are in martial law.
Martial law is defined as: military rule or authority imposed on a civilian population when the civil authorities cannot maintain law and order, as in a time of war or during an emergency.
Hitler turned Germany into a Nazi dictatorship through executive orders.
Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.
Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.
Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.
Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.
Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.
Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."
Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.
Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.
Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.
Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order
.
Prepare before any declaration of martial law by becoming self reliant. You may become subject to a bureaucratic system and be prepared to stay one step ahead of it which is easy to do if you are prepared and in a position to be self reliant. You may also face mob rule, chaos, panic, or a complete breakdown in law and order. Surival situations may be easier to handle in rural areas than urban.
Avoid areas of marital law. Can be imposed due to natural disasters or man caused events. Important to have a retreat or place in a rural area away from populated areas.
Create alliances with like minded neighbors or community members that share your views. Team work and numbers may help your situation.
Become transparent in the sense that you do not draw attention to yourself or your family. For instance, do not tell people that you are storing food just store food. Be prepared to render assistance to neighbors if need be. You never know when you will need them.
Remain calm! Do not panic.
Avoid areas of civil unrest if possible. If caught in civil unrest take appropriate action.
Get informed and stay informed. Understand martial law can be a temporary crisis or an extended one. In extreme cases the shape of a whole nation can change.
Declaration of martial law means your rights are suspended and it is government by decree. Your constitutional rights may no longer apply. This could mean a state of National Emergency.
People can be arrested and imprisoned indefinitely without charges.
Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly can be suspended, and censorship of the media imposed.
Gun ownership will also come under severe attack during marital law. We could see house to house searches by the military or National Guard looking for guns and seizing any they find along with stored food.
Take a stand on issues and make a choice that fits your beliefs and the situation. Do you believe as Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give me death?" Realize you may have some hard choices to make. Understand you may have to sacrifice your principles on trivial matters or take a hard stand. Always remember that you may have to come back and fight another day

• above pasted from http://sidlinger.tripod.com/ml.html

With no comunication, they will come FEMA region by FEMA region, house search to house search, You wont know whats happening 5 blocks over when you have been ordered to stay in your house, now will you.
with no communication you wont even know what the emergency is except what you are told, You will just be sitting there, waiting for it to be over, and when your turn comes it will be. What you decide to do will be on you
The truth is, America needs a cleansing.LOL It isnt about the constitution, though I love it. The government cant hold up the load, of all the benifits it pays out, and it cant stop doing it, without having the riot that starts it all .LOL a retard could see its enevitable. Now maybe you can start to see what I have seen for along time, The govermnment has everything in place to do what it has to to return itself to a position it can be an effective government, to guarantee the survival of the human race, LOL. there will be many lost to do it.
Do you actually think it can continue like this?
Plans started long ago for action, that turned into FEMA, funny how noone really knows what it is, its not just help for floods, and such
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fema_executive_orders.htm

 

[Krime]

ok we have now established the presidential powers so far, lets continue down the rabbit hole. The numbers of firearms in America is not a issue when they are taken 1 house at a time.
Here is a scenerio for you.
with 1 uprising, even if its made on purpose.
with 1 stroke of the pen, we are in martial law.
Martial law is defined as: military rule or authority imposed on a civilian population when the civil authorities cannot maintain law and order, as in a time of war or during an emergency.
Hitler turned Germany into a Nazi dictatorship through executive orders.
Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.
Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.
Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.
Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.
Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.
Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."
Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.
Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.
Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.
Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order
.
Prepare before any declaration of martial law by becoming self reliant. You may become subject to a bureaucratic system and be prepared to stay one step ahead of it which is easy to do if you are prepared and in a position to be self reliant. You may also face mob rule, chaos, panic, or a complete breakdown in law and order. Surival situations may be easier to handle in rural areas than urban.
Avoid areas of marital law. Can be imposed due to natural disasters or man caused events. Important to have a retreat or place in a rural area away from populated areas.
Create alliances with like minded neighbors or community members that share your views. Team work and numbers may help your situation.
Become transparent in the sense that you do not draw attention to yourself or your family. For instance, do not tell people that you are storing food just store food. Be prepared to render assistance to neighbors if need be. You never know when you will need them.
Remain calm! Do not panic.
Avoid areas of civil unrest if possible. If caught in civil unrest take appropriate action.
Get informed and stay informed. Understand martial law can be a temporary crisis or an extended one. In extreme cases the shape of a whole nation can change.
Declaration of martial law means your rights are suspended and it is government by decree. Your constitutional rights may no longer apply. This could mean a state of National Emergency.
People can be arrested and imprisoned indefinitely without charges.
Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly can be suspended, and censorship of the media imposed.
Gun ownership will also come under severe attack during marital law. We could see house to house searches by the military or National Guard looking for guns and seizing any they find along with stored food.
Take a stand on issues and make a choice that fits your beliefs and the situation. Do you believe as Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give me death?" Realize you may have some hard choices to make. Understand you may have to sacrifice your principles on trivial matters or take a hard stand. Always remember that you may have to come back and fight another day

• above pasted from http://sidlinger.tripod.com/ml.html

With no comunication, they will come FEMA region by FEMA region, house search to house search, You wont know whats happening 5 blocks over when you have been ordered to stay in your house, now will you.
with no communication you wont even know what the emergency is except what you are told, You will just be sitting there, waiting for it to be over, and when your turn comes it will be. What you decide to do will be on you
The truth is, America needs a cleansing.LOL It isnt about the constitution, though I love it. The government cant hold up the load, of all the benifits it pays out, and it cant stop doing it, without having the riot that starts it all .LOL a retard could see its enevitable. Now maybe you can start to see what I have seen for along time, The govermnment has everything in place to do what it has to to return itself to a position it can be an effective government, to guarantee the survival of the human race, LOL. there will be many lost to do it.
Do you actually think it can continue like this?
Plans started long ago for action, that turned into FEMA, funny how noone really knows what it is, its not just help for floods, and such
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fema_executive_orders.htm

ROFLMMFAO!
Good luck with that mr. president!

he may have the powrr to inact, but lets see the ability to preform.

any military will agree, they take an oath to protect America and its citizens from all enemys forien and DOMESTIC.

if military sees their familys going through such shit, do you think they'll obey command? or follow the oaths they took?

 

[Fordrocks1986]

Thank you krime my point exactly

 

[Hades]

Time will tell,
that is the split decision, noone knows.
We do know that a soldier knows what a soldier is told.
Who is to say it will be our soldiers doing it.

what really is the united nations, and when SHTF will our boys be over there doing the same thing as thiers over here. That is the greatest question, US economy is tied to the world, and they are all suffering now arent they.
I live close to a base, nearly all of my friends are military.

How many UN soldiers are in US right now?
Some people cant see the forest for the trees.
But for anyone who thinks that they cant take our guns, needs to think again.
I left you some info, use it any way you wish.