Franken Food?

[Brent S]

No, seriously this is a good thing and completely safe. It simply speeds up the evolutionary process and cuts through a lot of trial and error.
https://phys.org/news/2018-10-wild-strawberry.amp

 

[bigpaul]

you eat it then!we'll sit and wait and see what it does to you.

 

[Brent S]

you eat it then!we'll sit and wait and see what it does to you.

I’m way more afraid to eat something that had weed killer sprayed around it than a genetically modified plant. I don’t believe they’re any risk in this type of modification.

 

[user 5745]

'The next major berry has eluded food producers for years.' Makes them sound like they're hiding out and practicing deep cover techniques.

I grew physalis a few years ago and, while it's tasty enough, I doubt it would ever challenge rasps and strawbs for my affections.

 

[bigpaul]

I’m way more afraid to eat something that had weed killer sprayed around it than a genetically modified plant. I don’t believe they’re any risk in this type of modification.

I think their both as bad as each other but I have no wish to eat anything that's had its gene's messed about with and that's the one I would avoid at all cost.

 

[Maverick]

I don't see an issue with it given many crops eatin today are hybreads (from plant breaders) the only problem I have with genetically modified plant is from the original usage and what gives genetically modified plant a bad wrap and thats making them immune to pesticides or incorporating pesticides in the genetic code. what they are doing here looks to be doing what plant breeders are doing but instead of using pollen they are using genetic engineering methods. Also remember honey bees have created hybread plants in the wild, Bayer and Monsanto have evilized genetic engineering and from what I'm reading this isn't what Lippman is doing but time will tell.

 

[bigpaul]

I have heard that most food from the USA is GM, wife and I are very careful of what we eat and most of what we do eat is local- a 20 mile radius at most.
I read a report about chicken imported from the US into the EU that has been washed with a banned(here) disinfectant.

 

[DrHenley]

There are hybrids, and then there are genetically modified organisms. Those are two entirely different animals.

Nature has certain limits on how much an organism can be modified by natural means. Mutations are 99.9% fatal, but that 0.1% can be beneficial (always with downsides) Sickle cell anemia for example. It can make a person resistant to malaria, but at such a cost! It is only beneficial when the risk of dying young from malaria outweighs the risk of all the harmful effects of the condition...including a reduced life expectancy.

We don't know in advance what the downsides are with changing DNA. If we would just look at the history of trying to fool Mother Nature, we'd see that the consequences are permanently harmful more often than not.

 

[bigpaul]

playing god with nature is never wise. it'll come back and bite us on the bum.

 

[Brent S]

I agree there is a lot of science that can be dangerous. I believe this was just speeding up natural changes that nature has been doing for eons. Embedding pesticides in something you eat just isn’t smart and you don’t need a science degree to figure that one out. I love the idea of combining plants genetically. A potatoe plant that grows tomatoes for example. It’s not dangerous and produces more food. What’s not to like. Like doc said, cross breeding usually dosent produce viable seeds, but this process can potentially speed up the trial and error that would take generations of farmers to work out successful plants.

 

[DrHenley]

We're getting into H.G. Wells territory now...

 

[Maverick]

We're getting into H.G. Wells territory now...

I was thinking oddly of pet cemetery,

I know as in hybrid and in genetics things can go south, their is a berry in Colorado that is poisonous but the same berry can be eaten on the west coast meaning the plant mutated between the Rockies and the West Coast, same can be said about genetically modified foods but, unlike hybrids GMO plants/crop can't be pollinated to cause mutation that I know of on the level that would cause mutation or I thought? but what concerns me is a study out of Oxford.

"Genetic modification (GM) of crops has been accompanied by concerns of environmental impact, including effects to beneficial organisms such as bees. Currently, most commercial GM crops are modified for pest and/or herbicide resistance. Transgenes such as Bt may be expressed in pollen, resulting in exposure to bees. However, studies to date indicate that crops transformed with genes coding for Bt proteins will not harm bees. Herbicide resistant crops are not likely to pose direct toxicity effects to bees; yet, greater weed control in herbicide resistant crops may be responsible for a lower bee abundance in these crops than non-transformed crops. Reduced pesticide use associated with insect resistant GM crops, and reduced tillage that is possible with herbicide tolerant crops, could be beneficial to bee populations compared to conventional agriculture. Risk of GM crops to bees should be assessed on a case-by-case basis in relation to feasible alternatives."

How many more transgenes that the pollen is exposed to because that can cause mutation?

 

[bigpaul]

I definitely wont be growing or eating GM plants post SHTF, I have my store of heritage seeds for that.
I understand that GM seeds are infertile you have to buy fresh seed every year, obviously wont be possible post SHTF.

 

[Maverick]

I definitely wont be growing or eating GM plants post SHTF, I have my store of heritage seeds for that.
I understand that GM seeds are infertile you have to buy fresh seed every year, obviously wont be possible post SHTF.

That’s all I use is heritage seeds and non gm hybrid plants.

 

[DrHenley]

I’m way more afraid to eat something that had weed killer sprayed around it than a genetically modified plant. I don’t believe they’re any risk in this type of modification.

You might want to read this study: https://www.sourcewatch.org/images/b/bb/Seralini2012.pdf

Rats fed with various percentages of GM corn in their food. Some treated with Roundup, and some not.

It is noteworthy that the first two male rats that died in both GM treated groups had to be euthanized due to kidney Wilm’s tumors that were over 25% of body weight. This was at approximately a year before the first control animal died. The first female death occurred in the 22% GM maize feeding group and resulted from a mammary fibroadenoma 246 days before the first control. The maximum difference in males was 5 times more deaths occurring during the 17th month in the group consuming 11% GM maize, and in females 6 times greater mortality during the 21st month on the 22% GM maize diet with and without R (Roundup). In the female cohorts, there were 2–3 times more deaths in all treated groups compared to controls by the end of the experiment and earlier in general.

However, the rate of mortality was not proportional to the treatment dose, reaching a threshold at the lowest (11%) or intermediate (22%) amounts of GM maize in the equilibrated diet, with or without the R (Roundup) application on the plant.

 

[bigpaul]

That’s all I use is heritage seeds and non gm hybrid plants.

I use non gm plants I buy in the local market produced by local small market gardens.

 

[OldCoot]

Genetically modified seed does not concern me so much, even though I won't use them. Done properly, as stated, it just speeds up the evolutionary process of breeding for specific traits. Done wrong, it can create something completely new & potentially dangerous. I am much more concerned with all the chemicals and additives added to our food... even "fresh food".

 

[DrHenley]

Which is why we don't buy beef on a regular basis. Only special occasions. We eat "Free Range Venison" you might say LOL.

 

[bigpaul]

its not so much fresh food that is the problem, its all the chemicals and sh1t they put into "ready meals" which a lot of the population eats, which probably accounts for all the cancers and other health problems these days, I don't eat such muck I am particular what I put in my stomach.

 

[OldCoot]

its not so much fresh food that is the problem, its all the chemicals and sh1t they put into "ready meals" which a lot of the population eats, which probably accounts for all the cancers and other health problems these days, I don't eat such muck I am particular what I put in my stomach.

Most certainly prepared food is horrible for our bodies and research is showing it is the cause for much of the ills of society today. When I grew up in the 50s & 60s, there was no fast food in our town & TV dinners were the only prepared food. Back then we had no attention deficit disorders or any of these other similar issues in society. Now, they are everywhere. Every classroom nowadays has multiple kids with these issues.

But I still have much concern for the agricultural practices of today, where they beat back nature with all sorts of chemicals. You really think apples are supposed to look like what you buy in the stores? How do you think they get so big, so pretty & so flawless? Lots of chemicals. Same with most fresh foods you buy in a store. Granted, one is much better off cooking with this "fresh" food as opposed to processed food. For many folks today, a home cooked meal is Stouffer's lasagna from the freezer.