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Came across this...

https://www.thesun.ie/news/3440099/...is-revealed-as-tensions-with-ukraine-explode/

What the heck?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm not saying this is did or did not happen, but, as a former sailor who was forward deployed to a warzone, aboard warships...

This thing is... strange.

British warships have drop ceilings? Internally run wiring? Curtains to separate passageways (hallways) from internal spaces? No dogged hatches? No internal ribs, no water control knee knockers?

I've been in control rooms, lots of times. During combat operations. The atmosphere was nothing like what was portrayed. It's tense, and focused, and serious shit is going on.

I understand they aren't going to show actual displays, but... did they? No directional pips, no Doppler numbers that I could see, just weird triangular blobs and lots of meaningless lines. This was my job, am I this out date?

I looked up the coastline of Crimea, one of the radar images showed a clear outline of the coast, and a small island to starboard, the heading at the top of the screen indicates the ship is headed directly toward shore, albeit 30 kilometers out. The rest of the fleet does not show on radar? No British or American aircraft carriers in the area to scramble the alert 5? No other friendly or civilian aircraft in the sweep of the radar? Because, they show up. And are marked, usually by a green, or "ghost" pip, and a number indicating airspeed and direction, and a number indicating distance from the ship... none of that.

I Google earthed it, I couldn't find any part of the coast with that profile.

Beards? Maybe that's a Royal Navy thing.

The layout of that control room looks like nothing I've seen. Typically, it's a square, so that the seated enlisted technician can monitor the screen, then you have an officer who would be in charge of a set of ships systems, who would be hovering near, then some people who seem to run other places and come back (saw that in the video) and the Captain, who isn't much involved.

One guy in a green jumpsuit? What, is he special? Swedish flag on one ladies sleeve?

I can't believe the Royal Navy would allow civilian non combatants to be posted aboard a warship heading into a potential conflict zone. Let alone film underway command and control operations while being interdicted by possible hostile aircraft.

Speaking of hostile aircraft, the Russian jets they show close up? No markings, whatsoever. No squadron markings on the tail, no plane numbers, no external ejection hatch markers, no intake zone markers, no carbon streaking, no scorched paint from probe heating, no rtv sealant visible (it's at a distance, but not that far) on panel lines... These jets are freshly painted grey. There are some lighter grey touch ups. I've seen warplanes from all over, they only sort of look like this. I guess the Russians dont allow squadron markings?


No shipwide general quarters alarm?

No fire control commands?

What the heck? Is this even real? Or a recreation?
 
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@Squirtgunsquirter

I am betting it is a video re-creation and not the real thing. I saw a standard personnel door, with attached door closer, not typical ship board feature. The drop ceiling was very curious but I could have written it off for acoustical reasons, except for all the other small details. The other issue is why would the Royal Navy or any other Navy allow a film crew into their battle control room? Yeah, recreation for propaganda reasons. Good catch. You would make a mighty fine detective.
 
I brought it up because it was all unlike anything I saw in my time aboard ship.

Recreation makes the most sense.

Civilians with multiple cameras, boom Mike's, wires, etc, in the control room during hostile contact with multiple enemy aircraft, no sense.

I watched again, the jets they showed flying weren't even armed, just drop tanks.
 
It would all be restricted. I believe it's a brand new warship.

If it's a recreation, why? Why not just a news article stating that the HMS Duncan had an incident with some Russian jets while performing maneuvers on the boundaries of Russian territory (Disputed, of course)?

Bigpaul, your British. What's the point of the video, of the whole documentary, in your eyes?

Understand that I think the US is the psyop heavyweight champion, and I'm fine with that, and I have been been a willing minion of the US military industrial complex in the past and would be again for the right price.

Doesn't mean I can't call BS when I see it. Show me a US psyop propaganda puff piece, I will happily pick it apart, if it falls within my wheelhouse.
 
Let me ask that another way.

Do you, personally, want Britain to go to war? Against Russia?

Seems like the west has enough to deal with without entering into a shooting war with Russia, and it seems like that's where it's headed when I see stuff like that video.

Your take?

Also, I apologize for my ignorance. English it is.
 
Let me ask that another way.

Do you, personally, want Britain to go to war? Against Russia?

Seems like the west has enough to deal with without entering into a shooting war with Russia, and it seems like that's where it's headed when I see stuff like that video.

Your take?
Britain to go to war with Russia.....with what? a few ships and 80,000 troops? military spending has been cut to the bone the last few years.
6 destroyers, 13 frigates, 1 air craft carrier and 10 submarines.
what does Russia have? a lot more I bet.
 
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Looked like a re-enactment to me. I was able to match the coastlines with Google Maps though. You have to zoom way out for some of them.
 
Came across this...

https://www.thesun.ie/news/3440099/...is-revealed-as-tensions-with-ukraine-explode/

What the heck?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm not saying this is did or did not happen, but, as a former sailor who was forward deployed to a warzone, aboard warships...

This thing is... strange.

British warships have drop ceilings? Internally run wiring? Curtains to separate passageways (hallways) from internal spaces? No dogged hatches? No internal ribs, no water control knee knockers?

I've been in control rooms, lots of times. During combat operations. The atmosphere was nothing like what was portrayed. It's tense, and focused, and serious shit is going on.

I understand they aren't going to show actual displays, but... did they? No directional pips, no Doppler numbers that I could see, just weird triangular blobs and lots of meaningless lines. This was my job, am I this out date?

I looked up the coastline of Crimea, one of the radar images showed a clear outline of the coast, and a small island to starboard, the heading at the top of the screen indicates the ship is headed directly toward shore, albeit 30 kilometers out. The rest of the fleet does not show on radar? No British or American aircraft carriers in the area to scramble the alert 5? No other friendly or civilian aircraft in the sweep of the radar? Because, they show up. And are marked, usually by a green, or "ghost" pip, and a number indicating airspeed and direction, and a number indicating distance from the ship... none of that.

I Google earthed it, I couldn't find any part of the coast with that profile.

Beards? Maybe that's a Royal Navy thing.

The layout of that control room looks like nothing I've seen. Typically, it's a square, so that the seated enlisted technician can monitor the screen, then you have an officer who would be in charge of a set of ships systems, who would be hovering near, then some people who seem to run other places and come back (saw that in the video) and the Captain, who isn't much involved.

One guy in a green jumpsuit? What, is he special? Swedish flag on one ladies sleeve?

I can't believe the Royal Navy would allow civilian non combatants to be posted aboard a warship heading into a potential conflict zone. Let alone film underway command and control operations while being interdicted by possible hostile aircraft.

Speaking of hostile aircraft, the Russian jets they show close up? No markings, whatsoever. No squadron markings on the tail, no plane numbers, no external ejection hatch markers, no intake zone markers, no carbon streaking, no scorched paint from probe heating, no rtv sealant visible (it's at a distance, but not that far) on panel lines... These jets are freshly painted grey. There are some lighter grey touch ups. I've seen warplanes from all over, they only sort of look like this. I guess the Russians dont allow squadron markings?


No shipwide general quarters alarm?

No fire control commands?

What the heck? Is this even real? Or a recreation?

It happen and yes you're outdated lol, have you seen the inside of the USS Zumwalt? ;)
 
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The jet's were more likely a response to an earlier incident in the general area, a ship scrambled its Merlin Mk2 helicopter to track down a Russian spy ship detected by the Duncan's radar, also the Duncan wasn't by itself, other NATO ships were following the Duncan.
 

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