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first thing I can think of is DONT live in a big city cos that is where it will start. I really don't think especially in the UK that martial law will come to small rural market towns in the far south west with a population of 1,300 where nothing much happens anyway, it just really isn't worth their time, and with only 136,000 police and 82,000 troops nationally to police a population of 64 million they are going to be stretched very thinly.
 
I think that people, like Oath Keepers, will be the determining factor as to whether or not "martial law" turns into "open revolt." An uprising is just that... unless a large portion of the goverment collapses because those ordered to kill or disarm their fellow citizens refuse to.

But, what if those like the Oath Keepers aren't enough and martial law is the first sentence spoken by the new totalitarian regime? Well, the short answer (in my opinion) is to get low, get out of the way, and get as far away from being on the radar as possible.

As a newbie to prepping and thinking about the "what ifs," I cannot pretend to have a plan, but seeing how close we are to this scenario (in particular) is what finally opened my eyes to the need to have a plan and be able to survive the moment when this (or something else catastrophic) finally ends our fairy tale.
 
The oath keepers lost a little bit of credibility over the bundy situation, how much credibility the oath keepers have right now is up for debate unfortunately
Unfortunately, even conservative media played up all that was wrong with Bundy (if only he'd had a professional political speech writer) and very few mentioned how wrong the BLM(?) handled it and I think I only heard once that Harry Reid had a personal ulterior motive for trying to take Bundy's land which had nothing to do with taxes and everything to do with Reid wanting to sell the land to the Chinese.
 
What is/was the Bundy situation?

O/K the bundys and the bundy's so called chief security had a fallen out with the higher echelon from with in the O/K that cost some of the O/K on the ground at the ranch to splinter causing a rift with some of it's followers, the media played it up giving some what of a black eye on how dysfunctional the O/K's are.
 
I can't seem to find any info on the subject, at least not anything too informative or new. If I'm wrong I'll be sure to delete this thread. If not, I'd like to know what your plans for survival or proposals to survive martial law is. If I am posting in the wrong place, I am terribly sorry. So how are we to defend against a people that is much greater than us? The U.S government has a virtually disposable income, and the petty fortlets many of us have installed on our properties wont count for crap when the professional soldiers that don't realize that they can refuse a non-constitutional order comes knocking down our walls. There are rumors that President Obama wants to extend his presidency by enforcing martial law, and signing executive orders with the support of the senate. Now whether or not these rumors are true, whether or not we are screwed in 2016, whether or not this is just a radicalist opinion or not, I do not know, but what I have noticed lately (not through careful observation but sudden realization) is that even the more common naysayers are starting to increase in wariness of our own government and jump on the consciousness boat. I want to be clear that I am not absolutely sure in a major shift in power in the United States. I know plenty of my local politicians to be morally upright people, so who's not to say the same about the higher up places in the government? What I am saying is, what if? And it is a strong "what if", I might add.

My buddy and I have been contemplating on this subject for quite a while, and the consensus we have come to is, to put it plainly, we're screwed. Having an arsenal of weapons and a good hiding place might not do any good. It's hard to have find a permanent place to hide out when you're hiding out on (recorded, and on file) property that you own. And if you believe in being put on a watch list, then chances are many of you reading this (if not already for your presence in the forum) are on some kind of governmental watch list on account of your unusual purchases, whether online or otherwise, activities, posts and behaviors, although legal, threatening to someone who wants to run the country his way, absolutely. I don't know how close of an eye the government keeps on it's citizens, but we do know that the NSA does in fact, go through peoples (reportedly, law abiding citizens) messages, posts, purchases, and phone calls, and even makes sure that software is installed in certain devises so they can by-pass any security they please according to many recent news reports. Taking that into account, remember that aside from us, the NSA is allowed to collect info on people three degrees of suspects, meaning that anyone with over 260 contacts in their phone could be monitored. This means that more than four and a half million U.S citizens could be monitored as well. I'll save you the details but if you're interested in more on that subject I'll post some helpful links at the bottom.

Taking in consideration that our government has the power to know virtually anything and everything about you, how are you to ever remain hidden? They most likely know about any stockpiles of weapons, ammo, food, and supplies that you have. These things put up red flags and make you for easy picking when the SHTF, even if you plan to hide your weapons. And to my own limited knowledge, if you don't have enough supplies to fight off an army, then you might not be prepared enough for something like this, but if you do, then how do you plan to hide it even when you are already known to be stockpiling? If the rumors about the FEMA camp's, mass graves, large purchases of hollow point ammo, bulletproof vests for FEMA's "brown shirts" and train cars and shackles, are true, then it's off to FEMA camp for you isn't it? It would take a highly skilled mix of men and women, and a highly organized prepping network of many people to pull something like this off for the sake of survival. It's either that, or putting up with our new fascist dictatorship, sitting in our homes as state controlled television broadcasts for the rest of our lives, and if you're not home by ten, you're shot by the gestapo -- hypothetically.

So what's your plan friends? What's the solution? What's your idea? If nothing else you are preparing for ever happens, but instead you have the minions of the worlds greatest superpower knocking at your doorstep, what are you going to do? I'm not being sarcastic, I truly want to know. Any insight provided on this thread may be beneficial to anyone else that stumbles across this thread wondering the same thing.

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Interesting links on how the NSA may spy on us

http://wikileaks-press.org/the-surveillance-state-part-one/

http://truththeory.com/2014/03/29/10-ways-the-nsa-spies-on-you/

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2429502,00.asp

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-08/5-sneaky-ways-nsa-gets-information-americans

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...five-ways-to-stop-the-nsa-from-spying-on-you/


First off FEMA is a Bad Group. They may try to show support on the outside, however they screw with you once your in their hands and under the table cloth. They support and participate in larger groups like DARPA and other defense program/agencies that have (unofficial report) used and still use humans as test subjects for their testing with virus's and biological warfare plans.

Secondly, NSA is a no joke. They watch everything from your credit card transactions down to you taking a s*** in your own home whether or not, you have video streaming in your home (satellite thermal imaging).

Third, if your going to worry about "Big Brother" when it comes to prepping. Space your online transactions and ways you pay for items. Have friends and/or relatives pitch in and make separate transactions and use different shipping locations/addresses. It's very possible to stay under the radar.

And lastly, if SHTF and you decide to bug out. Pack light! Stay in small groups! Travel at night! Be cautious and always watch your six. Never leave a trail.
 
And under the circumstance of an illegal disarm, what is there to do in that situation? Shoot' back?

(Can't get rid of that emoticon by the way)

Yes, I would shoot back. I will not allow an illegal disarm from anyone! I have intention of not following what the government wants of me, since they will not follow what the people want of them. Today's government are full of crocks and thieves. They are power hunger and do not give a damn about who they hurt or how many. Take Barack Hussein Obama for instance, he has made at least 14 confirmed illegal actions without the congress approval or consent to place actions into affect. He has empowered his wife to pass rulings and bills on us "We the People" in our schools and daily lives! I have lost hope and backing for this government. It may be heartless but the government needs to fall, so we may rebuild this nation and structure a new government or (force the current president and his cabinet out physically).
 
First off FEMA is a Bad Group. They may try to show support on the outside, however they screw with you once your in their hands and under the table cloth. They support and participate in larger groups like DARPA and other defense program/agencies that have (unofficial report) used and still use humans as test subjects for their testing with virus's and biological warfare plans.

Secondly, NSA is a no joke. They watch everything from your credit card transactions down to you taking a s*** in your own home whether or not, you have video streaming in your home (satellite thermal imaging).

Third, if your going to worry about "Big Brother" when it comes to prepping. Space your online transactions and ways you pay for items. Have friends and/or relatives pitch in and make separate transactions and use different shipping locations/addresses. It's very possible to stay under the radar.

And lastly, if SHTF and you decide to bug out. Pack light! Stay in small groups! Travel at night! Be cautious and always watch your six. Never leave a trail.

...then again, much of what we enjoy today is the result of direct involvement of DARPA, gps, networking, graphic user interface etc.. the list is long
DARPA larger group? not by man power nor budget ;)

DARPA 2014 budget 3b annually 240 employees
FEMA budget 10b annually 15K employees

DARPA as far as with biological warfare it deals in technology pertaining to detection and defence not with bio agents manufacturing, it deals strictly in the high-tech field, never really had an issue with FEMA other then the damn bureaucracy and it's leadership.
 
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Can you imagine what would happen if the Founders were still around today??

The US government has turned into a ruler, instead of a facilitator.
 
them Founders would probably be taking care of business,when it comes to the rulers..
 
them Founders would probably be taking care of business,when it comes to the rulers..
I think you're right. Too bad we don't have statesmen anymore. Kinda hard to teach the younger generations about how our country is supposed to be when the liberal machine has been working tirelessly to turn us into the opposite.
 
First off FEMA is a Bad Group. They may try to show support on the outside, however they screw with you once your in their hands and under the table cloth. They support and participate in larger groups like DARPA and other defense program/agencies that have (unofficial report) used and still use humans as test subjects for their testing with virus's and biological warfare plans.

Secondly, NSA is a no joke. They watch everything from your credit card transactions down to you taking a s*** in your own home whether or not, you have video streaming in your home (satellite thermal imaging).

Third, if your going to worry about "Big Brother" when it comes to prepping. Space your online transactions and ways you pay for items. Have friends and/or relatives pitch in and make separate transactions and use different shipping locations/addresses. It's very possible to stay under the radar.

And lastly, if SHTF and you decide to bug out. Pack light! Stay in small groups! Travel at night! Be cautious and always watch your six. Never leave a trail.


The FEMA jacketed people you see in the field are fat heads...most come from other civilian government agencies that have to fess them up as part of FEMA's growing reaction teams. Pretty much the philosophy of military mobilizations, your just getting unknown qualities and unknown quantities in the field. No different than when I was active and they took my support folks to work security, your not getting the elite out there, but folks who have little if any training to handle a determined force. I've had to deal with many of these num-nuts with the blue jackets...and most have their heads up their ($*)...in fact, easiest way to disarm them is to pour them a cup of coffee and offer them a nice comfy chair. Okay, some claim to be former SEAL Rangers, SOF guys...most don't even know where the business end is located, but when they claim to be one, I always have my eyes on them...fakes and liars...when the real crap hits, they will be the first ones running out of the burning building as I enter one. The FEMA office guys...your simply not going to see them leave Washington, despite their size, they are all glued to their desks or are working in those high priced video tron rooms that we as tax payers have allowed them to have, because of lack of oversight. I know the conspiracy folks say..hey look their buying all those fancy machines...we used in Iraq or Afghanistan...well its going to have to go somewhere is my attitude...from the front page of CNN...you saw some of that that little event near St. Louis. Did you see the LE sniper guy and the nice black Gen 2 vehicles...what a nice pose. One of my family guys two months ago told me that the Reserve and National Guard were off-casting second generation armor...we've placed a sealed bid on some of it and guess what it was accepted. So what does that tell you...the government, provided you pass their background checks will discard if for profit.

As for NSA...no secrets there, but then lets face it, it old news...I've moved on with my life...back in the early 90's, we could hear the toilets flushing in the Kremlin, we certainly knew when the Soviets were firing off their rockets in the Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan...so if they want to hear me drop one...go right ahead, but I usually get a few pages through a good novel before I flush.

I am not trying to make light of the subject, but if they want us, their going to find us regardless of what we do...the trick will be are we worth it to them. My opinion, if you are benign, your fine, if your active, their going to have great intell on you and from there, they will decide what type of real threat you really are to the security of this nation. Really if you want to completely go off the grid and go undetected a few things, your going to do...1) stay off the internet completely, 2) move to the most rural spot in the U.S...maybe where Maverick lives is a great spot...high canopy forestation and oh yeah figure a way to let local government not identify your land holdings as this is public record, 3) Buy everything via cash from a trusted store...and I don't mean USPS, FEDEX...because remember they are tracked too 4). Assume new identities, which is pretty hard to do, unless you know someone who can create them for you and the only ones I know that are really affective work for Uncle Sam. I could go on with how to disappear, but most of you know this, so its not really worth writing it all on the forum. But if that's what you want and you've got your family support behind it, then good luck. For me, I'll just continue to prep and see what happens. Kind like waiting for the big earthquake or meteor to strike...just a bunch of what ifs. I'd rather spend the rest of the time I have enjoying my family and having the confidence we are prepared to the best of our ability.
 
That is what I am trying to do. Pay cash to stores that I trust and/or don't know who I am (and don't have cameras to track me). Working to get further off the grid...
 
That is what I am trying to do. Pay cash to stores that I trust and/or don't know who I am (and don't have cameras to track me). Working to get further off the grid...

Removing dependency on the grid isn't difficult just takes money to get to that point depending on location, removing one self from existence is a far more difficult thing to do like, not renewing drivers license, no vehicle, being of great distances from civilization etc.., even the mountain men of the 19th century had to come in to town or visit trading post for supplies. Wherever the homestead is located satellite image will detect your presence be it NASA, USGS, NOAA, GOOGLE even states that use a GIS base mapping system etc... now you have the government using facial recognition as a law enforcement tool, latest report is that these systems will be installed in squad cars kind of like the license plate scanners that is being implemented in some areas. What are you going to do for currency? you would have to work under the table, if you work, you can't be that far from civilization, then the age thing to throw in the mix due to limitations. I would love to disappear but at my age now, starting over in the mountains with limited supplies lets just say, certainly not a task I would want to start.
 
That is what I am trying to do. Pay cash to stores that I trust and/or don't know who I am (and don't have cameras to track me). Working to get further off the grid...


I really believe their is no way to escape anyone who is determined to find you out, despite every careful step you may take. I made a decision about 3 years ago, that it simply is not going to work in my case, you have to pay a bill some day and whether its electricity, gas, water...they've got your number and location. Its also extremely expensive and also in my opinion, unless your on the lamb...to do so. I've heard many people that state they are going under the grid, but then come back later, learning its totally not possible to do so. Unless you have zero contact with people...meaning somewhere in Alaska...and when I mean that way up past the permafrost line. So I will keep paying my bills and go through the drill and yes, buy from the internet...because if I am posting on DPF or even just watching a video on Netflix...they know where I am.
 
That is what I am trying to do. Pay cash to stores that I trust and/or don't know who I am (and don't have cameras to track me). Working to get further off the grid...

Oh and with respect, I am not trying to dissuade you, but if you have family...they have to have total buy in. My wife and son...they'd veto it in a heart beat and tell me to go move out into the wilderness, but they'd be staying. Not that they don't love me, but they are not going to pull up stakes until the real crap hit.
 
If you are in a area that had Martial law declared for some reason do not go out armed or even go out unless you have to . Be respectful of athority they do not want to be there anymore than you want them there . If you are on the outskirts of that area you want even know it except for ocasional patrol .
If you are refering to not Martial law but a power grab by big Government then you would be in a war zone and you will be living by your whitts . The latter is not likely but civil unrest from opposeing parts of our society could give way to such . So our next Civil War or Revalution could lead to a Government take over .
 
Honestly, in todays day and age. Should martial law be placed in effect. You would have thousands of soldiers and law enforcement officials either refuse or resign from the position. Not many people (U.S. Citizens) would actually target their neighbor over marital law. Instead you would have the opposite effect. They would use their Government supplies and turn against the Government ordering the martial law.

Should this opinion backfire on me. I would turn the ones attacking citizens into lifeless bodies. I have my shovel and weapons ready 24/7.
I think you are right about the Military and Law Enforcement Officers. Unfortunately, the executive branch has made it a point to root out and "retire" our experienced senior officers while at the same time making senior non-coms feel so unwelcome (even to the point of sending them lay-off notices while they are stationed in a combat zone) that they are leaving in droves. They are amping up their advertising to illegal aliens that they can fast-track their citizenship by joining our armed forces. That rings all sorts of General Quarters alarms in my head.
 
If the military knows how many guns and supplies you have, and where you, your supplies and your guns are located, I'd say your OPSEC sucks!


Unless you've got a good way to hide from satellites and drones with multi-optics, won't matter what kind of OPSEC you had prior to SHTF. And since most of us don't have such means, yes, they would know where we are. The bigger question is whether or not they could afford to spend the resources to deal with you. Hopefully, they'd be more willing to maybe make a deal, where you become a supplier, etc.

Basically, no matter what you do, you aren't going to be able to compete with tanks, drones, and cruise missiles, so once they DO take notice of you, hopefully you can strike a deal (or run like hell and go into further hiding, but without all those comforts). I imagine this is where resistance fighters would come from. Let's just hope this particular scenario never pans out.
 

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