70% of the population will perish.

[bigpaul]

70% of the worlds population will perish before Earth's civilisations reach sustainability.
and yes they actually quote "the die off".
www.express.co.uk/news/science/968076/end-of-the-world-doomsday-science-news-climate-change-cataclysm

 

[Maverick]

I don't know what was so shocking? Man have been preaching our end since the dawn of the thinking man why should the 21st century be any different. I guess universities must justify the grants and produce something, anything...

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

Absolutely. When, not if.

 

[bigpaul]

exactly WHEN not if.
I think 70% is a low estimate.

 

[grayghost668]

70%,,,ok I think higher,,,just think about the land grab that will take place,,,,,,you could end up with with half a state or more depending on where you call home

 

[bigpaul]

I could end up owning the whole parish that's for sure. its already remote to most people.

 

[Kevin L]

I'm not sure how to think about this.

I believe in climate change and the negative consequences that go with it, and I believe in developing sustainability and preserving species near extinction.

I don't believe we can wallow in our own filth (like an animal cage that's never cleaned) and not expect consequences.

Yet--as was said earlier--people have been preaching the end times for a long time, and we almost always seem to adapt.

I, personally, remember the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, and was convinced that it would be like the Black Death and wipe us out, yet this didn't happen.

Ebola seemed like a big deal, and now--all of a sudden--there's actually a vaccine.

Global warming is a problem, but hybrid and electric cars are gaining traction, and there are companies that are only a few steps away from making diesel out of bacteria, alga, and sewage.

And so on.

I'm not overly optimistic, but I'm less pesimisstic than I was.

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

Man, I was building Bio-diesel plants in the early 2000's. That and solar and gas fired peaker plants were supposed to save the "industrial millwright" as an occupation.

That didn't pan out. My understanding, from working in the industry, is that they just aren't cost effective.

Global warming may or may not be happening. It's hard to know who to believe. I pretty much think everyone nowadays just says whatever it takes to get more funding, so if saying "hey, it's getting hot" pays the bills, the truth doesn't matter. I mean, how much green house gas is the volcano in Hawaii putting out right now? More than all the cars in the city of Madison? The state of Wisconsin?

Industrial pollution? Definitely real, and a real problem for many years yet to come.

Just too many people. I don't wish anyone ill, but man, I have been in Hong Kong, New York, Tokyo, Singapore... there's just too many people.

You can't feed and employ a thousand people on one acre of land. There has to be a tipping point. I don't know if we will hit it in my lifetime, but I am sure its coming. And then, yeah, a die off. Back to something sustainable.

 

[Proud Prepper]

Man, I was building Bio-diesel plants in the early 2000's. That and solar and gas fired peaker plants were supposed to save the "industrial millwright" as an occupation.

That didn't pan out. My understanding, from working in the industry, is that they just aren't cost effective.

Global warming may or may not be happening. It's hard to know who to believe. I pretty much think everyone nowadays just says whatever it takes to get more funding, so if saying "hey, it's getting hot" pays the bills, the truth doesn't matter. I mean, how much green house gas is the volcano in Hawaii putting out right now? More than all the cars in the city of Madison? The state of Wisconsin?

Industrial pollution? Definitely real, and a real problem for many years yet to come.

Just too many people. I don't wish anyone ill, but man, I have been in Hong Kong, New York, Tokyo, Singapore... there's just too many people.

You can't feed and employ a thousand people on one acre of land. There has to be a tipping point. I don't know if we will hit it in my lifetime, but I am sure its coming. And then, yeah, a die off. Back to something sustainable.

You do realize all the people in the world could fit standing on the Hawaiin islands. And could actually live in New Zealand, as if they where at the same density as people live in New York City.

 

[Arcticdude]

That would be a good start in cleaning house.

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

I didn't, honestly.

But that isn't how people live. They have great big houses, and condo buildings and apartment buildings, with huge parking lots and massive super highways leading to giant international airports full of jumbo jets, and eat food shipped from across the ocean on ships bigger than football fields protected by vast nuclear armed Navy's. And they have so much information available on a device that fits in their front pocket, that they know everything there is to know, instantly, whenever they want.

And the people of the world who DON'T have all that, see it on TV and the internet, and they want it. Because they deserve it, they should have that lifestyle too, and they will level mountains and drain lakes in one place only to create another somewhere else, and if they pollute and destroy one area getting there, that's fine because they will be mobile and it's a big world and they can just move, once they are rich enough. A few blocks away from the dump, a nice tall wall, a faux brick driveway and a red door, and man, that's livin! Sure, they could drink a Busch Light, but nah, they have moved up in the world, it's craft brew time, a hoppy IPA, something with a stupid name and a picture of a cat shooting a Desert Eagle while riding a unicorn that fires lazers from its eyes.

I mean, maybe everyone COULD live in New Zealand, but then it would be a wasteland in no time. Because people are smart, and ambitious, and they breed fast. And people are also short sighted, and greedy, and callous.

It sucks, but barring a worldwide epidemic, or nuclear war, I can see the entire planet being pretty much a parking lot. Just paved. But then, by that time, that will be the new normal, and when it changes, over the years, the generation that grew up in that paved world will look back on it with nostalgia.

Huh.

 

[Silent Earth]

I'm not sure how to think about this.

I believe in climate change and the negative consequences that go with it, and I believe in developing sustainability and preserving species near extinction.

I don't believe we can wallow in our own filth (like an animal cage that's never cleaned) and not expect consequences.

Yet--as was said earlier--people have been preaching the end times for a long time, and we almost always seem to adapt.

I, personally, remember the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, and was convinced that it would be like the Black Death and wipe us out, yet this didn't happen.

Ebola seemed like a big deal, and now--all of a sudden--there's actually a vaccine.

Global warming is a problem, but hybrid and electric cars are gaining traction, and there are companies that are only a few steps away from making diesel out of bacteria, alga, and sewage.

And so on.

I'm not overly optimistic, but I'm less pesimisstic than I was.

Hey Kev I to believe in climate change but still believe 90% is natural and cyclic, I'm all for sustainable communities but the problem lies with cities because of the sheer numbers of people living in them makes being sustainability impossible. There is simply about 3 billion to many people on earth to make global sustainability sucessful so we need a boom and bust society with large scale die offs if humanity is to survive. I'm not talking about genocide I think its likely to be natural. I see cities as simply grossly overcrowded centers for pandemics. Someone snnezes on a tube train and 100 are infected. There is just far to many humans living in an unnatural artificially sustained society and it simply cannot last.

 

[Silent Earth]

You do realize all the people in the world could fit standing on the Hawaiin islands. And could actually live in New Zealand, as if they where at the same density as people live in New York City.

and if a nasty disease broke out naturally in such a densly crowded environment?
and all those folks living together in NZ would devastate the country because most of it would be concreted over. Better to put am all in the AZ desert and keep NZ green to producer food.

 

[Silent Earth]

For a SUSTAINABLE society that does not devastate or desertify our world you have to limit the numbers of people, its that simple. some places can sustain 1 person per mile, others 10 people per mile a few 20 people per mile, but equally HUGE areas of earth cannot sustain ANY people. Every species that overwhelms the available resources of its environment either has a mass die off through disease or starvation or war. Rats, Lemmings, Certain lake dwelling fish and of course humans. Goats in North Africa through their scorched earth eating habits increase the sizes of Africas deserts every year by defoliating the land.

 

[bigpaul]

7 billion humans on the planet, that's far too many.
ancient civilisations populations used to rise and fall depending on how good or bad the harvest was, we have done away with that by using artificial pesticides and fertilisers, until SHTF happens and the supply chain collapses, then watch out.