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I might be going to Italy for Christmas this year and I wanted to get input on what gear I should bring with me just to be safe. I know I might buy somethings i.e. food, water, and small odds and ends in Italy but I am still curious.
 
Looks like I will be in Milan later this year so a good thread.

Nothing in your HAND LUGGAGE or on your PERSON, anything you need put in your luggage in the hold. You CANNOT take a fire arm.
Take
US English to Italian dictionary or APP on your phone
Italian Maps or Map Apps Italian
Multi tool
Tactical Flashlight
Tactical Pen
Lighter
Dunno about knife legality in Italy
Survival Straw (Much of the water in Italy can be dodgy)
Paracord
Puritabs
AM/FM radio receiver ( world band)
First aid kit
Blister Kit
Compass
List of essential contact numbers
Prescription medicines AND a Doctors letter explaining your condition and script
Prescription Eye glasses and spares
Medical Insurance

A lot of Americans now get slip over Canadian Passport covers to prevent Islamists spotting you when you are asked to produce your passport

Knifes from British knife forum

In Italy: knife law and examples
Summer is here, and maybe some of you want to visit Italy. I always carry a knife on me, so I think of you.
What is the knife law in Italy and the reality? I’m not a lawyer, anyway here is my knowledge and experiences.

In Italy, simply, the knife law is that you may carry a knife if you have ”a good reason to” (“un giustificato motivo”): this mean that, in case of issues, you need to demonstrate to the Police that your knife is whit you for a reasonable cause. If so, no problems would arise.
Examples:
1.
You are hiking mountains, and you carry a large fixed blade at your belt or rucksack, or a big locking folder in your pocket, or an axe also. No problems, in fact you may use your knife making sticks, shelter, ecc.. and if any Policemen will meet you probably you will had from them just a “Buongiorno! (“Good morning!”)

2.
You are walking outdoor in the country, and you carry a locking folder on your pocket or a small fixed blade at your belt. No problem, in fact you may use your knife making sticks or similar. I don’t suggest to carry a large fixed blade or an axe instead, which appears to be out of context.

3.
You are walking in a small town, and you carry a big locking folder on your pocket or a small fixed blade at your belt. Big issues whit Police may arise for sure, in fact you may use your knife for…what? When in town, I suggest to carry a small pocket knife, or a multitool/SAK (coltellino svizzero) which is always tolerated, for your “urban survival tasks” (peeling apples, making sandwiches, cutting ropes ecc.). If you are just visiting a town in the middle of your hiking trail, put your fixed blade or big folder in your rucksack, out of the eyesight of the other peoples.

4.
You are visiting a big town (let’s say Milan, Rome, Florence, Venice, Neaples ecc.), entering at museums, churches and so on? Carry just a small non locking folder or, even better, a multitool or a SAK and you will be out of any problems.
 
Northern Raider said:
Looks like I will be in Milan later this year so a good thread.

Nothing in your HAND LUGGAGE or on your PERSON, anything you need put in your luggage in the hold. You CANNOT take a fire arm.
Take
US English to Italian dictionary or APP on your phone
Italian Maps or Map Apps Italian
Multi tool
Tactical Flashlight
Tactical Pen
Lighter
Dunno about knife legality in Italy
Survival Straw (Much of the water in Italy can be dodgy)
Paracord
Puritabs
AM/FM radio receiver ( world band)
First aid kit
Blister Kit
Compass
List of essential contact numbers
Prescription medicines AND a Doctors letter explaining your condition and script
Prescription Eye glasses and spares
Medical Insurance

A lot of Americans now get slip over Canadian Passport covers to prevent Islamists spotting you when you are asked to produce your passport

Knifes from British knife forum

In Italy: knife law and examples
Summer is here, and maybe some of you want to visit Italy. I always carry a knife on me, so I think of you.
What is the knife law in Italy and the reality? I’m not a lawyer, anyway here is my knowledge and experiences.

In Italy, simply, the knife law is that you may carry a knife if you have ”a good reason to” (“un giustificato motivo”): this mean that, in case of issues, you need to demonstrate to the Police that your knife is whit you for a reasonable cause. If so, no problems would arise.
Examples:
1.
You are hiking mountains, and you carry a large fixed blade at your belt or rucksack, or a big locking folder in your pocket, or an axe also. No problems, in fact you may use your knife making sticks, shelter, ecc.. and if any Policemen will meet you probably you will had from them just a “Buongiorno! (“Good morning!”)

2.
You are walking outdoor in the country, and you carry a locking folder on your pocket or a small fixed blade at your belt. No problem, in fact you may use your knife making sticks or similar. I don’t suggest to carry a large fixed blade or an axe instead, which appears to be out of context.

3.
You are walking in a small town, and you carry a big locking folder on your pocket or a small fixed blade at your belt. Big issues whit Police may arise for sure, in fact you may use your knife for…what? When in town, I suggest to carry a small pocket knife, or a multitool/SAK (coltellino svizzero) which is always tolerated, for your “urban survival tasks” (peeling apples, making sandwiches, cutting ropes ecc.). If you are just visiting a town in the middle of your hiking trail, put your fixed blade or big folder in your rucksack, out of the eyesight of the other peoples.

4.
You are visiting a big town (let’s say Milan, Rome, Florence, Venice, Neaples ecc.), entering at museums, churches and so on? Carry just a small non locking folder or, even better, a multitool or a SAK and you will be out of any problems.
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Thanks for the input. I will keep it in mind if I go.
 
FYI if you come to Europe and visit our cities do yourself a massive favour and
1 Leave the Cellphone / IPhone out of sight AND DONT USE HEADPHONES
2 Do not walk around with your I phone in your hand
3 Be discrete if using a map to navigate around your destination
4 DO NOT wave a US passport around
5 watch out for organised gangs often Roma or Albanian pick pockets, ATM scammers and muggers
 
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Heh, those top two annoy us more mature Americans as well, fear not.

Seems to me that whatever you feel you'd need as a home EDC would be the basis for a travel EDC as well, but you must take into account local laws and regulations. Cover the basics, and work up from there. Food, water solutions, navigation/signaling, shelter, and finally self-defense (which seems to be the touchy one across the pond there.)
 
I always say look at your own country , in this case the United States, now in the United states there are places you would not go wandering around with a Rolex on your wrist, I phone 6 in your hand clutching a wallet of cash you have just got from a Cash point (ATM in Americanese) and you would not during the day never mind after dark. So behave accordingly BUT there is the added issue in Europe of very large numbers of people who would glorify in kidnapping or killing an American so you have to be far more SITUATIONALLY AWARE, That applies equally in hotels and bars ( PUB RULE B NUMBER 1 Keep your drinking covered and preferably drink straight from a bottle that you have seen uncapped ( Rohipnol cocktail etc) Never get into an unlicensed and fully sign written taxicab. Remember entire districts are Muslim enclaves so double check your routes from A to B.
 
The Wife has done extensive travels in Europe on business including Spain, Italy and Russia, what she has told the students at WSU go un-Amercanized, keep American attitude and slang words home, don't wear 'American tattooed' (Lisa's word) t-shirts, caps, sweatshirts etc.. like a Raiders jacket, cap or political statements, don't walk around with maps, cameras and cell phone in hand, for the guy's, keep wallet in front pocket, don't talk loud to anyone in your party you will stand out like a sore thumb with your American accent (but don't whisper, rude) Don't wear soccer (football) caps promoting a team or country unless you like fighting since football in Europe is like a religion.

She also stated, don't talk about your motel/hotel room in public if you have to, call it a flat to give the impression you are staying/living in a apartment, she also advised, just stay out of the pugs/bars unless you are surrounded by friends that are from the area as she says, 'many that patron these pugs/bars are a proud lot' Lisa has spent several of her trips in Russia and one of the first things she was told 'Don't ask the local police for anything especially directions' even though she speaks speaks fluid Russian with a perfect accent just don't ask for help the treatment and attitude can be worse for none natives she found that to be true in most countries (in some areas of the US this is also true) if it's not life or death don't bother.

Just plain old common since and respect.
 
Please guys do not take this as an attack on your people or your country it is not, But there was a well noted documentary about Heathrow Airport a few years ago and in it at one point this immigration and reception guy was there to provide information and advice. He said and it was confirmed by his colleague that it was so very easy to distinguish between Americans and Canadians.

When ask " how" he replied the Canadians are always very courteous and polite but all to often the Americans are far more forthright or in your face.

The point is that right up to the 1970s Americans and Brits could and did assert themselves quite vocally and forcefully when dealing with foreign hotel / shop / air port / cops . Back then being a Brit or Yank carried a percentage of influence, but try that today and if you don't get arrested you are likely to get your head kicked in.
 
try a Finish cop,though some of them don't speak english that good,they at least try,and the uniform guys and gals are nice :)
 
We had a couple that was in the news a year or so ago, they were lost in a city, a cop noticed them driving around, when the couple noticed the cop they stopped to ask for assistance and ended up being arrested so it happens here, it's going to be a crapshoot whether or not you get an understanding cop, being so far away from home with very little support and help it's just best not to get into them conversation.
 
I remember a Scottish tourist visiting Texas who got lost as dusk rolled in, so he stopped his car and went and knocked on the door of a remote house and the Texan home owner simply shot him dead through the door.
 
I'm gonna need a link on that one, sorry. As a Texan I find that implication rather insulting.
 
Maverick said:
I don't think there were implication of intent ;)
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/08/us/homeowner-shoots-tourist-by-mistake-in-texas-police-say.html

and for my story above..
http://www.wbaltv.com/Couple-Arrested-For-Asking-For-Directions/8883238
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I hope you're right and no implication was meant, though I doubt it considering the language of the post. Thank you for the link because it confirms what I suspected.

Northern Raider said:
I remember a Scottish tourist visiting Texas who got lost as dusk rolled in, so he stopped his car and went and knocked on the door of a remote house and the Texan home owner simply shot him dead through the door.
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So what you meant to say is, a highly intoxicated man, intoxicated enough to distrust his friends and get out of a moving car, jumped a fence into someone's backyard at night and started banging on his back door. I'm not saying I'd have done the same as the homeowner, but I think he was justified in thinking this was a home invasion.
 
TheShadowKnows said:
I hope you're right and no implication was meant, though I doubt it considering the language of the post. Thank you for the link because it confirms what I suspected.



So what you meant to say is, a highly intoxicated man, intoxicated enough to distrust his friends and get out of a moving car, jumped a fence into someone's backyard at night and started banging on his back door. I'm not saying I'd have done the same as the homeowner, but I think he was justified in thinking this was a home invasion.
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Different media outlets from around the world reported this story slightly different omitting certain aspects of this story, the jest here is be cautious when visiting other countries, what may be of harmless intent can land someone in serious trouble. Being in unfamiliar territory and acting irrational can have serious consequences in this case deadly!
 
Definitely no bad stuff was intended, absolutely not. :) Besides all of the UK saw how TX responded when the lads of the BBC TOP GEAR motoring fun show drove a car through TX painted bright pink with the words MAN LOVE painted on it.:) . So we know how you guys respond to slights or assertions .
 
Travelling in the US especially driving can be a real bitch in the US. We Brits drive along sensibly and at the speed limit showing utter consideration and yet millions of Americans drive towards us on the wrong side of the road. :)
 
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