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Absolute maximum is distance you can travel on a full tank of gas. Any further, and that's a HUGE risk.
Personally though, I'd say max should be distance you can travel on the normal level of fuel in your gas tank. If you're like me, this is generally half a tank. (because I'd hate to pay a ton for it, for it to then be cheaper during the week).
I feel though that is a really good rule of thumb to have. I feel its also important to have a BOL that is the furthest you can personally carry your things. In the situation of a large solar flare or emp most cars from the last 60 years won't be running.
 
In the situation of a large solar flare or emp most cars from the last 60 years won't be running.

You'd be surprised.

So far, the only real tests that have been done on this are now about a decade old, and to be honest, the majority of vehicles weren't severely affected. Then again, the testing levels, etc., were not ideal, nor were the numbers of vehicles tested very large. So basically, the idea cars won't work is really not based on much evidence. If you're curious, can read the report here if you like.
http://www.empcommission.org/docs/empc_exec_rpt.pdf

That said, the more modern cars depend on very delicate electronics, that are likely more susceptible to it, but again, no real hard data saying this for certain.
 
You'd be surprised.

So far, the only real tests that have been done on this are now about a decade old, and to be honest, the majority of vehicles weren't severely affected. Then again, the testing levels, etc., were not ideal, nor were the numbers of vehicles tested very large. So basically, the idea cars won't work is really not based on much evidence. If you're curious, can read the report here if you like.
http://www.empcommission.org/docs/empc_exec_rpt.pdf

That said, the more modern cars depend on very delicate electronics, that are likely more susceptible to it, but again, no real hard data saying this for certain.
That was a good read, thank you for sharing that report. While not all cars and modes of transportation will cease to exist the article did say there would be a "significant degradation". Now I must admit I did not read all 100+ pages, just the ones in the index referring to transportation. However, even if not all vehicles go I feel it is still a big enough threat to prepare for your car to not work.
 
I'd agree with that. It's why I'm working on getting spare electronics parts for our vehicles.
 
Looking into that actually. Picking a location is a definite must. Good question
 
I know a lot of good locations, on the surface it is perfect though the problem in a number of these locations it isn't sustainable year around! one needs to look at these places in a historical perspective; what was it like 10 or 20 years ago, how long has this creek been running, had this area ever flooded etc... If you are to pick a location or location(s) research it and that also mean boots on the ground.
 
I know a lot of good locations, on the surface it is perfect though the problem in a number of these locations it isn't sustainable year around! one needs to look at these places in a historical perspective; what was it like 10 or 20 years ago, how long has this creek been running, had this area ever flooded etc... If you are to pick a location or location(s) research it and that also mean boots on the ground.
I like when you make posts like these because it is so obvious but easy to overlook.
 
I like when you make posts like these because it is so obvious but easy to overlook.

California is a perfect example, many small towns in cali was built upon availability of water in the late 19th and 20th century an unusual abundance of water for cali because the early 19th, 18th and 17th centuries have a different story, granted, a little extreme regarding BOL but knowing the area is important, knowing the historical data may help in selecting a location.

A little background on cali's drought, the 20th century was the wettest ever recorded on record and historical findings in rocks and soil going back to the medieval times. California is returning to it's normal state, the problem in California isn't the so called drought it's water management, the state is over populated and 80% of cali fresh water is used for agriculture, um, in a heavily populated state! Look up pacific decadal oscillation in regards to California, the dry periods are totally normal NOT abnormal just a normal cycle, 'drought' is to loosely used in this case ;)
 
It also doesn't help when they require those of us that have wells to use city water. They capped all the wells in our city and sold the water rights right out from under us. Had the Sheriff come out with warrants to shut the wells down. this happened in Hemet and Sun city. And they wonder why the drought is occurring?!
 
But is not unregulated over extraction of water from the US Aquifers a major part of why the government has had to act?

The government was/is the problem from the get go, mismanage by transferring water from one aquifer to one that didn't need it screwing the folks in the north (most recent). My wife professor out of Berkeley told her in the late 80s that the government was warned in California that the state can not sustain the level of growth and agriculture with the current water levels and that it would be a mistake to rely on the Colorado River because of growth in those regions the river feeds in the states the river runs through, it was also warned California will have to make a choice between developed communities and agriculture. The State didn't listen. I guess finger pointing doesn't help now and as @Roninsensei said above private wells being capped.

California been wanting to tap the Columbia River here since the early 90s both Washington and Oregon told em to get screwed (they really wasn't that blunt) California knew then they was going to have problems and did nothing!
 
Thanks for that update its appreciated, Over here we rarely suffer major prolonged droughts and when we do the normal worst case scenario is hose pipe bans and car washes turned off. My old chum John from KS used to report how the Coloradans extracted so much water from the Canadian and Red rivers that they stopped flowing altogether before they reached KS.
 
It also doesn't help when they require those of us that have wells to use city water. They capped all the wells in our city and sold the water rights right out from under us. Had the Sheriff come out with warrants to shut the wells down. this happened in Hemet and Sun city. And they wonder why the drought is occurring?!
That's bullshit! I hate that. Its like that guy from Oregon who was arrested for collecting rain water (http://www.prisonplanet.com/man-in-oregon-jailed-for-collecting-rainwater.html)
 
The government was/is the problem from the get go, mismanage by transferring water from one aquifer to one that didn't need it screwing the folks in the north (most recent). My wife professor out of Berkeley told her in the late 80s that the government was warned in California that the state can not sustain the level of growth and agriculture with the current water levels and that it would be a mistake to rely on the Colorado River because of growth in those regions the river feeds in the states the river runs through, it was also warned California will have to make a choice between developed communities and agriculture. The State didn't listen. I guess finger pointing doesn't help now and as @Roninsensei said above private wells being capped.

California been wanting to tap the Columbia River here since the early 90s both Washington and Oregon told em to get screwed (they really wasn't that blunt) California knew then they was going to have problems and did nothing!
I feel like there are so many instances in which the government is warned, chooses not to listen and then screws over its citizens.
 

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