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Kudos to DocPops and Maverick for their post. Sorry Jontte, saw your post, but this was first day back in the school with all the teachers and was doing the political stuff related to teacher's preparing for the new school year.

One reason, I've never done an IV post or even a video is that IV's are very complicated, they may look simple, but their are tons of reasons, if and when to do an IV. Having just experienced this with my son, I could tell you the total of mistakes I witnessed with the my son's heat stroke experience. Yes, I tried both the oral hydration and he flat out refused the rectal hydration route (I think more because he didn't want dad treating him). The ER nurse did a really great job considering he was very dehydrated and his veins were pushing in the red area, son did not have his vein roll on him, but I know that the ER nurse spent a few minutes trying to find the right one. This is no different than when I had to start IV's on a combat related injuries and patient was bleeding out. Very difficult and frustrating, when you blow a good vein.

Regarding mistakes, my son had to have another one inserted 24 hours after admission because he was having irritation and swelling localized at the IV site. The new nurse, made several mistakes, nothing that would cause my son to get an infection, but just failed to administer it properly, dispose of trash and also how he handled his bio waste. I mentioned this to the nurse supervisor when we left the hospital, not because I feared for my son, had the nurse failed completely, I would have brought it up directly to him. However, I was concerned that possibly he needed additional protocol training related to IV insertions. Should say, that if you left an empty IV bag in the sink, its something to be concerned about from a nosocomial infection or safety issue. Maybe I am wrong, but with the recent health care changes and the rush to get more nurses into the field,

For those who have little experience in IV's, I'd suggest taking a Wilderness EMT course...while this will not make you an expert in IV's and other areas of trauma medicine, it is far more focused for prepper interested in intermediate medicine. If your lucky and know someone who is an instructor, you should also consider taking the Advanced Lifesaver course that is offered in some municipalities. Check with your local hospital or if your in the rural area, they may offer Continuing Medical Education on a touring basis and with a nominal fee you could possibly set in on them to get the training. Of course, make sure your basic first aid, CPR and AED dance cards are filled out and you are certified. Certification in these areas are offered by the American Red Cross, which has been mentioned in other posts in DPF.

Cheers.
 
have to check if my local red-cross gives that type of wilderness emt training,would love it and perhaps I could persuade my employee to "sponsor" me,who knows,they seem to sponsor some strange things any way,but this is something useful both on work and off
 
have to check if my local red-cross gives that type of wilderness emt training,would love it and perhaps I could persuade my employee to "sponsor" me,who knows,they seem to sponsor some strange things any way,but this is something useful both on work and off


Jontte,

Red Cross does not offer Wilderness EMT classes, its one of those things that is offered by someone who is a qualified instructor in ALS and senior EMT, with an interest in field/wilderness work. I know of two, in the surrounding area, one in Dallas and the other in Oklahoma who claim they are wilderness experts. I never attended their courses, so really can't recommend them, only that they tout they are "EXPERTS" in the field. Personally, a good wilderness instructor would also be one who is native to the land and has a great understanding of herbal medicine. If you get one out their that only instructs clinical or hospital medicine, but is not savvy in field medicine or emergency care...your heading in the wrong direction. If anything, when you consider one or find one, ask for a syllabus and send a copy to me, not wanting to speak for DocPops or Warriorhealer22, but I am sure they would offer their slant on it too. My reason for not recommending the two that I mentioned is, I've asked several times to see a syllabus of what they are covering and each time in emails, they say they are revising it...so in my opinion, a good instructor would have this as a word document or PDF. Especially if your charging a fee to attend the course and get certified in it. Hope this helps Jontte. Just trying to save you some money, time and effort.
 
:).. thanks Silent Bob and doc pops and Maverick for all the advice.
 
Jontte,

Red Cross does not offer Wilderness EMT classes, its one of those things that is offered by someone who is a qualified instructor in ALS and senior EMT, with an interest in field/wilderness work. I know of two, in the surrounding area, one in Dallas and the other in Oklahoma who claim they are wilderness experts. I never attended their courses, so really can't recommend them, only that they tout they are "EXPERTS" in the field. Personally, a good wilderness instructor would also be one who is native to the land and has a great understanding of herbal medicine. If you get one out their that only instructs clinical or hospital medicine, but is not savvy in field medicine or emergency care...your heading in the wrong direction. If anything, when you consider one or find one, ask for a syllabus and send a copy to me, not wanting to speak for DocPops or Warriorhealer22, but I am sure they would offer their slant on it too. My reason for not recommending the two that I mentioned is, I've asked several times to see a syllabus of what they are covering and each time in emails, they say they are revising it...so in my opinion, a good instructor would have this as a word document or PDF. Especially if your charging a fee to attend the course and get certified in it. Hope this helps Jontte. Just trying to save you some money, time and effort.

The biggest problem in fining a wilderness EMT courses is going to be. Firts you have to be an EMTor higher, and usually you will have to have your NREMT-B. EMT -B vs EMT-I or EMT-P. There is a lot of course work, skills, clinical time that goes into it for the higher levels of EMT.
EMT= Emergency Medical Technician
B= Basic- BLS Basic Life Support
I= Intermediate-BLS+ALS Advance Life Support, with no narcotics. And some stated don't recognise EMP-I,
P=Paramedic-BLS, ALS, ACLS,PALS, PHTL, CCEMTP, RMAP, Surgical air ways, narcotics... The list goes on.
My advice, would be start small, take the First Responder course, this is what most LEO's have. There are wilderness first responder courses out there. Hope I did not confuse you.
As for your IV fluids KEEP THEM IN A COOL DARK PLACE. The S.L.E.P. that I have mentioned before gives IV fluids up to 72 months beyond the shelf life. If no meds are going to be dripped a 10 or 15 gtts IV tubing is what you want for traumas. IV catheters for adults will go from 20ga - 14ga. 14ga are about the size of a #8 nail.
I saw one of NATGOs "dooms day peppers" start a 24ga whichis what we use on babies, backwards in his wife's L AC, " the bend of her arm"! IVs always go in towards The HEART, and they DON'T HAVE A PULSE.
I start IVs on 98% of my PTs, with a saline lock. Not because I am giving them fluids, or drugs. It is incase I need to, and at the ER there going to get blood for some test.
I hope this will help.
Good luck, be safe, and God bless.
P.S. Nurses in the ER hate medics that get over agressive with fluids, because they get dropped off and the problems start.
 
doc pops, thanks again :)
whatever I can't use I hope someone can, found a site to replenish my supplies..found a reserve supply store, and boy do they have stuff at reasonable prizes aswell.
did some digging about different first-aid and advanced first-aid courses I could take and now I'm like a shitfly over my boss doing my best to convince him that this is good and we need it..I need it..I can use it at work... eventually he will get tired and say yes ;)
 
This is the box I settled on, These are some of the supplies, I have more not in the box (yet) and more that should be here around the middle of the month, listed below, I'll have final pictures when all said and done.

U.S. Military Field Medic Instrument Kit
01 Pieces. Probe double Ended 01 Pieces. Scalple Handel Number 4 01 Pieces. Mosqutio Forceps 5" Straight 01 Pieces. Mosqutio Forceps 5" Curved 01 Pieces. Kelly Forceps 5.5" Straight 01 Pieces. Kelly Forceps 5.5" curved 01 pieces. Butterfly Grooved Director 01 Pieces. Mayo Hegar Needle Holder 14cm 01 Pieces. operating Scissors Sharp/blunt Straight 5.5" 01 Pieces. operating Scissors Sharp/blunt Curved 5.5" 01 Pieces. Thumb Forceps 5" 01 Pieces. Tissue forceps toothed 1x2 5" 01 Pieces. Chain Hook 01 pieces. Scalpel Blades

Water-Jel Large Burn Kit
(1) fire blankets (1) 36" x 30" burn wrap, (1) 12" x 16" face mask dressing, (1) 8" x 18" burn dressing, (1) 4" x 16" burn dressing, (3) 4" x 4" burn dressings, (4) 3" roll gauze, (1) scissors

Over the counter meds
2 Ibuprofen (bottles)
2 Acetaminophen (bottles)
2 Diphenhydramine (bottles)
2 Loperamide
2 Pseudoephedrine
2 Meclizine
2 Ranitidine
2 Hydrocortisone cream
2 Bacitracin ointment
2 Clotrimazole

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This is the box I settled on, These are some of the supplies, I have more not in the box (yet) and more that should be here around the middle of the month, listed below, I'll have final pictures when all said and done.

U.S. Military Field Medic Instrument Kit
01 Pieces. Probe double Ended 01 Pieces. Scalple Handel Number 4 01 Pieces. Mosqutio Forceps 5" Straight 01 Pieces. Mosqutio Forceps 5" Curved 01 Pieces. Kelly Forceps 5.5" Straight 01 Pieces. Kelly Forceps 5.5" curved 01 pieces. Butterfly Grooved Director 01 Pieces. Mayo Hegar Needle Holder 14cm 01 Pieces. operating Scissors Sharp/blunt Straight 5.5" 01 Pieces. operating Scissors Sharp/blunt Curved 5.5" 01 Pieces. Thumb Forceps 5" 01 Pieces. Tissue forceps toothed 1x2 5" 01 Pieces. Chain Hook 01 pieces. Scalpel Blades

Water-Jel Large Burn Kit
(1) fire blankets (1) 36" x 30" burn wrap, (1) 12" x 16" face mask dressing, (1) 8" x 18" burn dressing, (1) 4" x 16" burn dressing, (3) 4" x 4" burn dressings, (4) 3" roll gauze, (1) scissors

Over the counter meds
2 Ibuprofen (bottles)
2 Acetaminophen (bottles)
2 Diphenhydramine (bottles)
2 Loperamide
2 Pseudoephedrine
2 Meclizine
2 Ranitidine
2 Hydrocortisone cream
2 Bacitracin ointment
2 Clotrimazole

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very nice maverick! me like!!
 
This is the box I settled on, These are some of the supplies, I have more not in the box (yet) and more that should be here around the middle of the month, listed below, I'll have final pictures when all said and done.

U.S. Military Field Medic Instrument Kit
01 Pieces. Probe double Ended 01 Pieces. Scalple Handel Number 4 01 Pieces. Mosqutio Forceps 5" Straight 01 Pieces. Mosqutio Forceps 5" Curved 01 Pieces. Kelly Forceps 5.5" Straight 01 Pieces. Kelly Forceps 5.5" curved 01 pieces. Butterfly Grooved Director 01 Pieces. Mayo Hegar Needle Holder 14cm 01 Pieces. operating Scissors Sharp/blunt Straight 5.5" 01 Pieces. operating Scissors Sharp/blunt Curved 5.5" 01 Pieces. Thumb Forceps 5" 01 Pieces. Tissue forceps toothed 1x2 5" 01 Pieces. Chain Hook 01 pieces. Scalpel Blades

Water-Jel Large Burn Kit
(1) fire blankets (1) 36" x 30" burn wrap, (1) 12" x 16" face mask dressing, (1) 8" x 18" burn dressing, (1) 4" x 16" burn dressing, (3) 4" x 4" burn dressings, (4) 3" roll gauze, (1) scissors

Over the counter meds
2 Ibuprofen (bottles)
2 Acetaminophen (bottles)
2 Diphenhydramine (bottles)
2 Loperamide
2 Pseudoephedrine
2 Meclizine
2 Ranitidine
2 Hydrocortisone cream
2 Bacitracin ointment
2 Clotrimazole

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Couple things u might add to keep yourself healthy for daily use to prevent sickness ! garlic tabs, ceyanne pepper, pure honey , vitamin C tabs. or a good all in 1 vitamin
 
not that bad,considering how useful that stuff is and how badly you need it in a possible shtf scenario...who knows even earlier,boiling water on your foot feels as bad now as in shtf
 
like it,a lot...have some stuff,but not a burn kit,have to look at some places.
thanks for the tip,one seems to forget things you need..:rolleyes:
 
Speaking of burns. Something else you might want to consider is Emu oil. We have found out the hard way that it is very good on burns.
The only down fall with it is the shelf life. 1 to 1 1/2 yrs. A little longer with refrigeration.
 
Where did you find penicillin? I've been looking all over for it and haven't found it anywhere. Maybe store just suck here in MI.
 

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